johnnybangkok

And rightly so. It's only hubris that will see it otherwise.

Like playing a pigeon at chess............... The point about the whole artcle is why the UK is struggling more than other countries and obviously Brexit has played a part. We all understand it's not the ONLY point, but it certainly hasn't helped. The Tories had an idea about the benefits of Brexit but it was all based on getting free of EU finacial rules and freeing up The City. Guess what? They haven't even taken advantage of that. Lizz Truss was at least honest about what they are all about; less tax for the rich and corporations in an attempt to save The City from the likes of Singapore and Frankfurt. When you have a square mile of London paying almost 33% of ALL UK tax, you begin to understand what Brexit and what the Tories are really all about. But like all things, such complexitiies don't precide in a vaccum; there are a many reasons why the UK is struggling more than most but the common demoniator is the Tories and the fact they have been in power now for 12 years. If the UK was a listed company, every one of them would be sacked.

I think the very obvious point was they voted against

Any chance you can come up with an example that isn't 50 years old?

But we also like economic success. The two are not mutually exclusive.

And that's pretty much the only debate you have. Cricklewood hod carriers upended by Polish immigrants. Were you by any chance in the building industry?

There is an insurance scheme. It's called National Insurance (the clues in the name).

He got his fortune teller licence revoked.

Student debt in the US is a serious problem of which only one party is trying to solve; much like infrastructure, unemployment, climate change and human rights (to include abortion). Perhaps other than the suspicion that everyone has only their own self interest to inform their political opinion (a GOP and MAGA favourite) coupled with a nothing but negative political campaign that harped back to the 1950's, the well-informed, younger thankfully voted with their conscious and their own future at heart. There is light at the end of a very dark tunnel.

You would hope so but still large swaithes of the US (central and Southern, predominately white and rural) are still very much 'never Dems' and will never listen to reason, even when their own party is openly undermining democracy. Still, the results are encouraging and should be celebrated as a win.

But despite the result you still don't attribute it to the GOP being seen as a threat to democracy as that's certainly how many people saw it. Your previous assertions that all people care about is inflation, jobs/economy, gun violence, abortion, immigration and climate might also hold true, so perhaps they also think the Dems are the best party to navigate these subjects and I would agree since the GOP have no solutions to any of these issues other than the usual tired, old, ineffectual nonsense which has been proven time and time again not to work. Throw in a deranged 'Orange Man' and a bunch of MAGA types who literally won't believe what they see with their own eyes and the results really aren't any surprise at all.

Reminds me of this gem

What part of a threat to democracy are you actually denying? Trump and many, many GOPers are openly calling all results that go against them (but not the ones they win) a fraud, a hoax, a grand master plan to keep him out of office. They consistently undermine the idea of a fair and free elections to millions of Americans. That alone constiutes a huge threat to democracy. If the people can't trust the mechanism of democracy, then democracy itself will fall.

It must be great having a crystal ball.

And on such weighty subjects, what exactly is the GOP 'cure'? Inflation - a worldwide issue that NO party in power could ever hope of controlling until the Ukraine/Russia war is resolved. jobs/economy - employment in the US is at it's highest level in a long time, and higher than at any stage during Trumps presidency. https://www.statista.com/statistics/269959/employment-in-the-united-states/ gun violence - and can we just remind ourselves which party has consistently and callously stopped any attempt at gun control? (hint; its not the Dems). And also criminal reform (in the shape of matters such as bail reform and sentancing) are always opposed by the GOP with again, not a single solution coming from them. abortion - in an attempt to appeal to the Christian right, the GOP has systematically and cynically eroded the rights of women when it comes to abortion. Predominately red states are leading the charge in making abortion so difficult as to almost make it impossible to get. Immigration - the scare mongering from GOP candidates is so extreme it relly should be called just straight xenophobia. What exactly did Trump accomplish with his 4 years? An ill thought out 'extended' wall? Seperating families and locking up children? It's the oldest trick in the book and copied by all right wing governments the world over; immigrants are to blame for your lack of job and/or prospects, not the billionaires and corporations that actually could do something to help. climate - name one thing that Trump accomplished in his 4 years that helped in the climate change battle? Nothing? Well that's because he did his level best to deny, deflect and overturn policies that could have helped:- 'During his campaign in 2016, Trump had already announced his skepticism of climate change. After he took office in 2017, his administration made decision after decision that slowed or deprioritized climate action. It rolled back policies that helped mitigate warming, relaxed regulations for climate polluters, approved the Keystone XL pipeline, left the Paris Agreement, and more. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/most-consequential-impact-of-trumps-climate-policies-wasted-time All you GOP fans are the first to point fingers without a single remedy from your side. Trump has not ever produced an election manifesto (go on, go to his website and try and actually find a proper manifesto that isn't just a vague 'we will do it differently'), prefering to fear-monger and 'play it by ear' as the mood and notion takes him. His biggest thing is loyalty to him and to his MAGA fan base and he gives not one jot about the good of the average man and for the USA as a whole. It's all about him. A cult of personality with very little substance. If you think this man and this party are the solution to the problems of the US and indeed the world then when is he actually going to produce something that helps the majority of Americans rather than the stipdly wealthy and corporations. You have been lied to; the emporer really doesn't have any clothes.

Just get her a new job. That’s a VERY low salary for the job role and responsibilities you are talking about.

My apologies. You got the 'Oh for gods sake" because you are now the 5th person to go on about who opened the door and I thought you were saying he couldn't have. My error. You clearly weren't saying that. Frustration got the better of me.

Oh for gods sake. Nothing mentions who opened the door. The best you get is 'Police officers responded to a call at around 02:27 local time (09:27 GMT) on Friday. They found Mr Pelosi and the suspect struggling over a hammer, but it was wrested from Mr Pelosi by the intruder, who violently assaulted him with it'. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63443927 Mr Pelosi may have opened the door, maybe the police broke it in, maybe the door was already open. IT DOESN"T MATTER, no one else was in the room other then Mr. P and DePape. That's absolutely for sure.

I'm not your personal Google. Just try an objective news source for a change. Here I'll start you off (or is the BBC 'fake' news in your eyes?) https://www.bbc.com/news/63477452 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63435454

The difference is called being objective. Something that many of you lack. You are looking at these reports to try and find something that points to a conspiracy (who answered the door? why did the police not do that?; was he his gay lover?), whereas the vast majoirty of people are saying 'it's on CCTV, there's a police report outlining everything that happened and there's also a statement from the perpetrator saying exactly what he did, his actions and his motives. But we are not surprised. We have seen you shovelling HS for the last 5 years in defence of the indefenceable so this little episode comes as absolutely no surprise.

And how many criminal cases do you know of that let you see the 'CCTV and bodycam footage' this early in the investigation? The police have zero duty to prove what they say to you or anybody for that matter other than a court of law but I think you can be pretty sure that in a high profile case such as this they will be scrupulous in what they say and do. If they are saying there was only 2 people, then there was only two people. You ask 'The accounts given just seem completely unrealistic to me. I'd like to see what really happened'. Again, why would you rather say that than say 'well, the police, witness statements and CCTV seem to back up a particular story, that seems good enough for me'. All conspiracy theories rely on some small area that advocates cling to desperately (shadows on the moon meaning no moon landing; a magic bullet with JFK; building 7 on 9/11) and it's VERY easy to simply come up with the 'but, I'm only asking' when we all know that 'just asking' is loaded with connotations. You insist you have no skin in the game but rather than hear what others are pointing out to you, you are still insisting on 'just wanting the truth'. Well the truth is there, documented, recorded and verified. Will you now say that's good enough for you?

Yes you quoted from the official complaint that made absolutely no mention of the amount of people in the room. I am not 'claiming the official criminal complaint is spreading false claims' as it didn't even mention it, I'm claiming that you are spreading false claims.

Agreed. This is why the GOP and the MAGA brigade are so messed up. They'd rather believe whatever nonsense scenarios questions the events (to own the liberals of course) than the actual video and eye-witness eveidence that clearly shows what happened. It's beyond inane.

Yes

It is widely reported that Pelosi himself answered the door. The deranged attacker then lunged and Pelosi grabbed the hammer. 'The charging documents revealed cops witnessed the attack. “Pelosi and DePape were both holding a hammer with one hand and DePape had his other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. Pelosi greeted the officers,” the documents outlined. “The officers asked them what was going on. DePape responded that everything was good. Officers then asked Pelosi and DePape to drop the hammer.” “DePape pulled the hammer from Pelosi’s hand and swung it, striking Pelosi in the head. Officers immediately went inside and were able to restrain DePape … Pelosi appeared to be unconscious on the ground.” https://nypost.com/2022/10/31/paul-pelosi-attack-a-timeline-of-david-depapes-alleged-assault/ You guys are just the worst. Why can't you just accept that a MAGA fan, indoctrinated with hatred for Pelosi through right wing propoganda stoked by Trump and his accolytes went to the Pelosi residence for the express purpose of causing Nancy some considerable harm, but when that didn't happen, took it out on her 82 year old husband? Who cares who ansered the door? There obviously was only two people in the room and your conspiratorial nonsense is not going to change a VERY well documented narrative.