johnnybangkok

Enough of the pearl clutching dear. We never misled people because we didn't for one minute say they could just walk into palliative care or rehabilitation jobs or many of the other thousands and thousands of other jobs that the Healthcare and NHS require with at least a very good education and or specific qualifications in that chosen field. Your view is very myopic and only understanding of a certain level of Health employment. We did however often say ' whether you are new to care or have experience, we have a job for you' because we knew we weren't lying because we could probably find them a job. And if all else failed, there was always geraitric care.

Do you mean to be trying to explaining this to me?

We all said that. Cast the net and then fish out the ones you need. Old marketing ploy. Try applying for palliative care or rehabilitation jobs without either previous experience or training. Won't happen. Might talk you into a porter job though.

You know things aren't good when you are in agreement. I feel dirty.

Care to back that up with some peer reviewed or factual evidence? I used to run a recruitment company in the UK that focused on healthcare (with the NHS as our biggest client) and I can absolutely gaurantee you there was VERY FEW jobs 'that anyone can do with no prior experience or training'. Maybe things have changed a lot in the last 10 years so I'm up for being re-educated on the matter, but if you'll forgive me, it'll take slightly more than just your own personal opinion.

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Cost of living payments cannot go on forever, neither can help with energy bills and why on earth should a prosperous country have its people relying on food banks? Talk about not looking even slightly into the future. The train drivers are on strike as are the teachers of Scotland, postal workers, college lecturers, ground handlers, nurses and about 100,000 civil servants. There is massive unrest in many other professions. With the ridiculous utopia you keep trying to present, I indeed wonder what closeted existence you’re living.

Bit it got massively conflated by a Brexit lobby that relied on the UKs natural xenophobia. We fought the Germans and Italians, we rescued the French and those Spanish/Greeks are just lazy letharios. You know, “if it wasn’t for us you’d all be goose stepping around your living room” type of thinking. And even now a Brexit fan finds it difficult to admit his xenophobia, preferring statements like “terrible idea, cultures not same”.

Xenophobia rears it’s ugly head once again.

Then you should know better.

No. Just no. So you’re not allowed to change your mind once you see how bad your decision was? In there lies madness. Brexit was a horrible decision made by individuals not equipped to know the full consequences of their decision but blinded by xenophobia and/or racism and a Little Britain mentality. It had to be that because it certainly wasn’t anything sensible. It wasn’t based on inclusiveness or moving the world forward and it certainly wasn’t based on economics. There comes a point where you have to accept the result was wrong, accept is was wrong and move on to correcting it.

The manufacturing industry is 40% of Thailand’s GDP. Tourism is 20%. Any drop in purchasing or spending has a knock on effect. The UK is still a world presence but the major picture is the world itself. No problem for the boomer generation of course, you’ve already done your time. Big problem for all the rest of us though that rely on world economic confidence.

The general apathy of the masses isn’t a reason to not be concerned. We are all too aware of what national apathy can lead to. And to conflate remainers concerns with self-interest is a typical Leavers response. It was this self-interest and myopic thinking that got us into this mess in the first place.

World economics (amazingly enough) affect the world. Including Thailand.

Most are not actually downright lying but their tribal loyality to the Brexit Brigrade won't allow them to recognise verifiable facts and more information that doesn't back up their idea that Brexit is just the best and was the right thing to do. Denial, deflection, disinformation; and when all else fails the 'give it a few years, it's early days!' nonsense.

There really is no need to resort to terms such as 'sad losers'. It's hardly adding to the conversation and just encourages the wrong idea of winners and losers. You may have 'won' the vote, but you 'lose' with the obvious consequences of why Brexit is adding to the UK's woes (and yes we know it's not the only reason, but it's certainly a major contributory factor).

I'm not really sure where you are going with all this. No one is denying that corporations play a big part in the exploitation of workers (is this really news to you?) but this CBI isn't an employer, they are a trade body. Perhaps their membership did what you say, but that's not them. I also can't comment on the ins and outs of B.A.E.; all I can say is dodgy stuff goes on all the time. If your point is that hiring foreigners should not be left to corporations and the influx of EU nationals into the UK should only be done by the government, well first of all I'd say they would do a terrible job (as they currently are with asylum seekers) but secondly, you're throwing out the baby with the bath water. Of course there were plenty of companies exploiting cheaper labour (and by the way, if a company does do this then they DO get hit with a substantial fine but also a County Court Judegement that can prove VERY detrimental to any company), but I would say they still represent a very small percentage of total employers and in most cases, corporations stuck to minimum wage requirements and all other laws that govern employment in the UK. Wages in some sectors may have gone down because Polish hod carriers undercut local employees but the bigger picture is the UK benefitted from these workers and the cold truth is now the UK is missing these EU workers and it's putting a strain on employers and subsequently, a strain on the economy. P.S. The 'nonsense' comment was in regard to your views on the vaccine. It's off-topic but more importantly it's just wrong.

Not entirely sure what your 1st paragraph was about. I wasn't talking about Syrian doctors. And I'm glad you can be so cavalier with uprooting poor Dec and his whole family. Take it from me it's not easy.

And the “faceless bureaucrats” of Whitehall are also unelected so what’s your point?

And the example I gave? Is Dec from Newcastle (that’s his name now) with his wife and three kids and family all around going to “travel and live where the work is?” I made the point about it being a young man’s thing for a reason. There’s no excuse for the young to not get off their lazy ar$e and go find work, I did it myself and was a much better person for it. But it’s a very different thing for someone over 40 with family their life all around them. Very different.

Oh the originality. Do you not think every single government since unemployment begin hasn't thought of this? The issue is location. Large swathes of the unemployed come from cities and large towns. The jobs you speak of need to be close by or they become only available to the young who are the only ones who can easily up-root. If you worked as a skilled machinist in a factory in Newcastle, with a wife, 3 kids, a mortgage and family around you, there's no amount of re-training that's going to make you up-root all of that to take a hospital porters job in (insert shi!!y town name here). Unemployment is much more nuanced than just 're-train the peasants!'

Ok. Minus the berry-picking then. All the rest still stand.

Lets just deal with your actuals rather than your 'prophecies'. As has been pointed out to you before, the UK currently operates a points system for immigration that highlights 'essential workers' and higher end employees such as IT, engineers, doctors etc. How is this going to work for berry-pickers, factory workers, a janitor in the NHS and similar low level jobs that need nothing more than a physical body and the desire to do the job? A desire that many Brits do not have. This idea of 'controlling' all immigrants like a factory assembly line, nicely glosses over the many jobs that EU workers actually did in the UK and why the CBI has recommended that the UK 'should enable "economic migration" in areas where skilled workers cannot be found'. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63697458 . Why is this? 'Recent official figures show the UK's unemployment rate has edged up, and the Bank of England has forecast it will nearly double by 2025 as the country goes through a tough recession. Meanwhile job vacancies remain near record levels'. In other words Brits don't want to do the jobs that EU immigrants are more than happy to do. That is a huge problem with only one solution. I have already addressed your nonsense regarding the Covid vaccine so I don't think there's any point in repeating myself.

I got it. Hence the edit.

I edited my post