johnnybangkok

Ok, since you don't want to handle those answers (to YOUR questions by the way), how about this one? 7. No longer propping up the economies of Poland, Greece, Hungary with vast net contributions set by Brussels. From January 2021, the estimated bill was £25bn left to pay by 2057, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), almost £18bn of which will be paid in the first five years. https://www.bbc.com/news/51110096. Also, The UK contributes to a fund which could be used to channel emergency funding to Eurozone countries, but an EU law made in 2015 ensures that the UK would be “immediately and fully compensated” for any losses caused by a Eurozone member. https://fullfact.org/europe/will-uk-pay-future-eurozone-bailouts/ Any thoughts?

I am absolutely not laying the blame for the UK's ills all on Brexit. I think I've been consistent in saying it's part of the problem (but a fairly major one). No. I entirley blame the Tories. You are obviosly not up on UK economics so let's just give you a quick rundown. The UK isn't doing well. If you paint yourself as a major pillar of worldwide financial stability, you can't just do the nonsense we have seen from the Tories in the last 5 years. They started with Brexit, blundered through Covid (whilst spending a HUGE amount of money) and in their pearls of wisdom, thought the 'cure' was to lower taxes and 'free' financial markets. This was such a bad policy that the Bank of England had to intervene to basically save the country and voila, the shortest reigning PM of all time. Aside from this debackle, the actual major downside is government debt is no longer seen as a safe bet, and borrowing costs are more; much more. The Office for Budget Responsibility estimates that the debt interest payable on central government's outstanding debt will be £87.2 billion for the current financial year. This figure isn't going to get any smaller any time soon, hence the Tories panick offering of (which you will see the week) Austerity 2.0. They need to get interest payments down and borrowers wants to see a clear way of paying down the debt and there's not many ways of doing this (and the one Truss offered got the reception it deserved) other than raise taxes and spend less. This is why the uk is struggling more than other countries and why you personally are going to start seeing the downside very, very soon. They have no choice but to go for higher taxes and austerity, so tell me in 3 months how that doesn't affect you. As usual, the poor will be made to pay but I think the public uproar of Truss's blunder will at least mean that the rich will also feel the pinch, but as usual, it won't hurt them nearly as much.

Lol

The point being, it's legal. You're yet again badly infering that 'cheap' labour is somehow attached to the movement of labour in EU states, when someone from Worksop is paid the same in the Uk than someone from Warsaw. There is a requirement to pay a certain, minimum wage in the UK so your 'employing cheap E.U workers' doesn't work as the are just the same 'price' as Brits. The difference being many Brits just don't want to pick berries in Somerset or carry hods in Cricklwood. And just as a footnote, I do think large corporations have sacrificed the good of the common man for share-holder interests but that's a bit left wing thinking for you but is at the heart of why the uk is struggling more than other countries (Hint: that's what Brexit was about).

I feel like a Polish hod carrier in Cricklewood.

One more time for the hard of understanding. You cannot employ 'cheap labour' as the UK has a minimum wage requirement (which the boss of Next would only be too aware of). Perhaps hod carriers in Cricklwood are different but it certainly isn't the case for 99% of British companies.

That's just simply not true. Astra Zenica is a prominent pharmaceutical company who just happens to be British (and Swedish). They already had a rich history in vaccine production so it made absolute sense for the government to invest in a known entity to try and come up with the vaccine. But this can also be said of Pfizer, Biontech, Moderna, J&J and even Sinopharm who's 'mother' countries did exactly the same. This idea that we had to 'make our own vaccine for our own people' is just disingenuos and completely false as once others had come up with their vaccine, they were more than willing to sell it to anyone who had passed it and had the money (which we did). The UK is just very good at this sort of thing and was always going to be a player in the field. The only criticism I have of the EU is they listened too much to all the anti-vaxxer nonsense about AZ giving you blood clots. They investigated this and it was proven not to, hence their delay and reluctance when taking it up. This had no bearing on the UK though.

Is that all you've got as I can come up with stats that say exactly the opposite? U.K. unemployment rate for 2021 was 4.53%, a 0.05% increase from 2020. U.K. unemployment rate for 2020 was 4.47%, a 0.73% increase from 2019. U.K. unemployment rate for 2019 was 3.74%, a 0.26% decline from 2018. U.K. unemployment rate for 2018 was 4.00%, a 0.33% decline from 2017. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate And obvioulsy unemployment is going down now as, you know, worldwide pandemic and all that. And is that the only reply you are going to offer? Are you just going to ignore the other 6 points the YOU raised?

Enough of the pearl clutching please. Throughout this whole thread all you've done is insinuate that younger voters are only voting Dem becuase of the student debt relief with statements such as 'As a young person getting 10K for a possible bad decision I know who I'd vote for' and 'You're saying that a paid for Cancun vacation wasn't an incentive for many young people." At no point have you offered any OTHER reason so what are we supposed to think? And you get 'bashed' when you can't support your assertions. If you don't like it may I suggest you find a right-wing echo chamber for your 'insights'.

1. Being out of the failing, undemocratic federalist project that is the EU before it collapses. Do you have a spare crystal ball that I could use? 2. Getting a head start on the vaccine rollout. Possibly although I don't think being part of EU would have changed that. 3. Record low unemployment. UK unemployment rate for 2021 was 4.53% , a 0.05% increase from 2020. UK unemployment rate for 2020 was 4.47%, a 0.73% increase from 2019. UK unemployment rate for 2019 was 3.74%, a 0.26% decline from 2018. UK unemployment rate for 2018 was 4.00%, a 0.33% decline from 2017. So unemployment has risen from 2018 to 2021 so that's wrong. 4. Being able to hold our own politicians to account without them being able to blame Brussels. Always had that. 5. Regaining sovereignty. Always had that. 6. Being able to make our own laws, laws made by our own politicians that were elected by the UK electorate. Always had that. 7. No longer propping up the economies of Poland, Greece, Hungary with vast net contributions set by Brussels. From January 2021, the estimated bill was £25bn left to pay by 2057, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), almost £18bn of which will be paid in the first five years. https://www.bbc.com/news/51110096. Also, The UK contributes to a fund which could be used to channel emergency funding to Eurozone countries, but an EU law made in 2015 ensures that the UK would be “immediately and fully compensated” for any losses caused by a Eurozone member. https://fullfact.org/europe/will-uk-pay-future-eurozone-bailouts/ I did asks for facts.

Ok, lets start with this:- 'Since all you Brexit fans want to do is let us know 'it's done' and 'get over it', perhaps you will be nice enough to let us also know what the benefits have been so far? Top 5 will do and facts would be great.

Unlike your hero Trump who of course never got anything wrong or indeed was so precise with everything he said https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/12/donald-trump-stupid-moments-dumb-comments.html

Your opinion is infantile and insulting and as usual centred on Fox news's interpretation of what is important (he's old, we get it). Any chance of coming up with something that isn't just a Trump type personal insult?

Since all you Brexit fans want to do is let us know 'it's done' and 'get over it', perhaps you will be nice enough to let us also know what the benefits have been so far? Top 5 will do and facts would be great.

Or it didn't exist in the first place. You have been a fan of Trump for a very long time (I think more to do with the fact you think he was being bullied and you don't like bullies) but time has shown that it was in fact him that was the problem rather than any ficticous 'swamp' he sold you. The bigger picture is there has been no POTUS in living memory who has tried more to undermine democracy than the Orange One and this alone should be the only reason you should choose to not support him.

As has been pointed out to you mumerous times, it's terribly naive to think this was the only reason. Unlike yourself (and almost all GOPers), Gen Z have more than just self-interest and greed at heart. They see a party that is actively undermining democracy; who are trying desperately to limit a womens ability to govern her own body; who have no real solutions other than negative policies. All these things play a part and you constantly attributing it to self-interest and greed say more about you than it does them.

Would the 'professional posters on here' be those guys with the facts or is just those guys with the fancy words?

And rightly so. It's only hubris that will see it otherwise.

Like playing a pigeon at chess............... The point about the whole artcle is why the UK is struggling more than other countries and obviously Brexit has played a part. We all understand it's not the ONLY point, but it certainly hasn't helped. The Tories had an idea about the benefits of Brexit but it was all based on getting free of EU finacial rules and freeing up The City. Guess what? They haven't even taken advantage of that. Lizz Truss was at least honest about what they are all about; less tax for the rich and corporations in an attempt to save The City from the likes of Singapore and Frankfurt. When you have a square mile of London paying almost 33% of ALL UK tax, you begin to understand what Brexit and what the Tories are really all about. But like all things, such complexitiies don't precide in a vaccum; there are a many reasons why the UK is struggling more than most but the common demoniator is the Tories and the fact they have been in power now for 12 years. If the UK was a listed company, every one of them would be sacked.

I think the very obvious point was they voted against

Any chance you can come up with an example that isn't 50 years old?

But we also like economic success. The two are not mutually exclusive.

And that's pretty much the only debate you have. Cricklewood hod carriers upended by Polish immigrants. Were you by any chance in the building industry?

There is an insurance scheme. It's called National Insurance (the clues in the name).