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The walking man at 04:49;02 is also not the running man
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Correction , on seeing a clearer video (not much) I am mistaken
With regards to the foreigner and asian woman, does anybody recognise the t-shirt logo
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The walking man at 04:49;02 is also not the running man
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Some missing pieces concern the crimescene, what happened between the murders being discovered at 6:30 and the attendance of the forensics. e.g there are crime scene photos of Hannahs face covered and uncovered
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It is good to see the current government who through reform is offering democracy so electoral dictatorships whose desire for reform or embracing democracy is non existent.
I could not see the PTP being in a position when they ran their dictatorship (defined as listening to an unelelected criminal over the majority) stating "This is wrong. SO we will reform ourselves"
The future looks bright where the majority will no longer be ignored. Ironically brought to fruition through a military government because of an elected dictatorship.
You believe anything the junta says without question, don't you?
Regarding your definition of dictatorship, you must be using the "djjamie Dictionary", because that definition doesn't exist anywhere else. You also ignore the fact that the elected government you call a dictatorship tried very hard to have elections, but your heroes wouldn't let them.
Well I define a dictatorship as a parliament that vote for an amnesty bill at 310 - 0 because an unelected criminal told them to vote that way even though the majority of Thai citizens asked them not to vote that way. I think the dictionary defines a dictatorship as an entity that refuses to relinquish power and will never allow democracy to flourish in the future. Maybe it is a dictatorship to threaten protestors with the RCM51 and call them garbage?
The democracy part of the previous government stopped when they held the most seats in parliament. Had they listened and reflected the majorities interested while there then that is good. When they didn't that is a dictatorship. The only principle of democracy you can ever use when describing the PTP is elections because there is no other principle they adhere too.
And as for this election in 2014. She did a great job to have it while ensuring it failed.
She knew and wanted those polls to fail so she could blame the PDRC for the non payments of the rice scheme. yingluck was even told that the commission candidates have been unable to register in some constituencies, meaning there would not be a quorum to open parliament even if voting went ahead. It is akin to knowing the future, but building a house in Phuket a day before the Tsunami. Why hold an election when you know that it won't be successful? She wanted those polls to fail because she knew she would have lost. The results that were tabulated proved that. All polls post failed rice scheme proved that as well.
Robert Amsterdam. the unelected leader of the PTP dictatorship and the PTP advisors made their money that day when they told her to drive this election to its doom. If she didn't want the polls to fail she would have ordered soldiers to all polling booths in her capacity of defense minister to ensure they proceeded successfully. She should have made sure the candidates can register. She had an army behind her for goodness sake. Never happened. Remember yingluck fanboys say she was the best leader Thailand had ever seen. If that was the case this soldiers would be jumping to the beat of her drum…She didn't even order them out. Not even on Facebook did she order them out.
yingluck was in the unique position of being the defense minister and PM and if she truly knew she would win that election she would use every tool she had to ensure peaceful polls. Yet that never happened. She did drive for elections, but not for peaceful ones. No soldiers in force defending polling stations while Chalerm on the other front was suggesting he would dress up in a Groucho mask to arrest Suthep…That aint the sign of a government that wants polls to go ahead. It is certainly not the sign of a sane government either.
It was a time wasting narratives to ensure it goes ahead and fails.
So I prefer a government that at least offer a hope that democracy (as well as elections) will be restored. The previous government removed it (yes, yes elections, I get it) and offered no hope of a restoration of it.
Once again you end up spouting utter rubbish
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Yingluck is quite obviously to blame for this.
She was warned numerous times to delay the elections due to conflict and deaths at the pre polling booths, but she decided to continue stubbornly, irrespective of how many people would be killed. She didn't care how many people died.
She knew and wanted those polls to fail so she could blame the PDRC for the non payments of the rice scheme. If she didn't want the polls to fail she would have ordered soldiers to all polling booths in her capacity of Defense Minister to ensure they proceeded successfully. Never happened. Remember yingluck fanboys say she was the best leader Thailand had ever seen. So if that was the case this soldiers would be jumping…She didn't even order them out.
She wanted those polls to fail because she knew she would have lost. The results that were tabulated proved that. All polls post failed rice scheme proved that as well. Robert Amsterdam. the convicted criminal fugitive and the PTP advisors made their money that day.
yingluck was in the unique position of being the defense minister and PM and if she truly knew she would win that election she would use every tool she had to ensure peaceful polls. Yet that never happened. She did drive for elections, but not for peaceful ones. No soldiers in force defending polling stations and Chalerm on the other front suggesting he would dress up in a Groucho mask to arrest Suthep…That aint the sign of a government that wants polls to go ahead.
It is time wasting narratives to ensure it goes ahead and fails.
The sad thing is yingluck won't even be hear to face accountability. She will be in Dubai with her convicted criminal brother.
PS - Attack the post. Not the poster.
Total Rubbish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_general_election,_2014
The election was disrupted to deny the rightful owners of their democratic powers, namely the thai citizens
A PM and MPs only have power temporararily and it is the electorate who hold the ultimate authority
Wonderful and being the case then why did yingluck do nothing to ensue a successful election..
NOTHING?
And if you think she tried to make a successful election then tell me what see did to ensure it?
Dont belittle me, condescend me or abuse or attack me…Simply answer the question.
What did yingluck do to ensure a successful elation?
I cannot say if she did anything or nothing, unfortunately I am not privvy to private conversations that may or may not have taken pllace.
As a final note that is commonly overlooked , Yingluck asked permission to dissolve parliament and this was granted
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All I can say is thank god the Junta are fixing this situation...
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Yingluck is quite obviously to blame for this.
She was warned numerous times to delay the elections due to conflict and deaths at the pre polling booths, but she decided to continue stubbornly, irrespective of how many people would be killed. She didn't care how many people died.
She knew and wanted those polls to fail so she could blame the PDRC for the non payments of the rice scheme. If she didn't want the polls to fail she would have ordered soldiers to all polling booths in her capacity of Defense Minister to ensure they proceeded successfully. Never happened. Remember yingluck fanboys say she was the best leader Thailand had ever seen. So if that was the case this soldiers would be jumping…She didn't even order them out.
She wanted those polls to fail because she knew she would have lost. The results that were tabulated proved that. All polls post failed rice scheme proved that as well. Robert Amsterdam. the convicted criminal fugitive and the PTP advisors made their money that day.
yingluck was in the unique position of being the defense minister and PM and if she truly knew she would win that election she would use every tool she had to ensure peaceful polls. Yet that never happened. She did drive for elections, but not for peaceful ones. No soldiers in force defending polling stations and Chalerm on the other front suggesting he would dress up in a Groucho mask to arrest Suthep…That aint the sign of a government that wants polls to go ahead.
It is time wasting narratives to ensure it goes ahead and fails.
The sad thing is yingluck won't even be hear to face accountability. She will be in Dubai with her convicted criminal brother.
PS - Attack the post. Not the poster.
Total Rubbish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_general_election,_2014
The election was disrupted to deny the rightful owners of their democratic powers, namely the thai citizens
A PM and MPs only have power temporararily and it is the electorate who hold the ultimate authority
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Not knowing the proposed details, I am left to speculate that this is will probably prevent or discourage democratic leadership
Please explain what you mean when mentioning 'democratic leadership'. Without further description I can only speculate you write down a few terms which may comfort you in what you believe without knowing.
Rubi
There are instances where we hold different opinions, and I more than comfortable with this, however I take exception to " I can only speculate you write down a few terms which may comfort you in what you believe without knowing."
I did not realise that your approval is required
To answer your question, democratic leadership involves members being encouraged to discuss and share ideas about particular issues or problems, however there needs to be someone with overall authority to make ultimate decisions
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What I find amazing about the posters on here , is there presumption that the Thai people are uneducated about their politics , whilst I agree that in the rural parts of the country and indeed elsewhere ,education needs to be better, but when it comes to corruption, self serving members of the upper class, politicians and military coups, they are more sagacious than any farang or foreigner.
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Not knowing the proposed details, I am left to speculate that this is will probably prevent or discourage democratic leadership
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There were 4 cigarette buts found in total, you are correct that it is stated that Hannahs dna is found on one with another person , there are also other issues about the cigarette buts, lipstick mark and which cigarette butt was Muang Muang dna found
As regards Mon being woken up I understand it is only the RTP that made this claim, along with Islandlife on this forum, I have not found an article where Mon actually states this. More interesting is the headmans statements and their timelline with regards Nomsod
It goes something like
Unable to contact , dont Know if he is involved
Returning to study not fleeing
Not on the Island
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I hate to disappoint you but I happen to know quite a bit about Welsh politics and the various language acts plus the Welsh Assembly.Congratulations to Mr Sata on getting something right for a change.
But this topic and Durhamboy's original question are not about the LitUK test.
The LitUK test can indeed be taken in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic; but only if taking the test in Wales or Scotland.
According to the document linked to above, the speaking and listening test, which is what was asked about, has to be in English. Whether for the initial visa, FLR or ILR and whether taken outside the UK, in England, Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland.
It does seem daft that one can take the written test in Welsh or Scottish Gaelic, but the oral one has to be in English; but that's UKVI all over!
Given your recent display of Eire and Guernsey knowledge I am sure you are up to speed with the Welsh Government and the AM's who sit in Cardiff.
I am not going to point you to the bit of legislation that proves you wrong but instead let you find it yourself.
I think you will have to agree you are incorrect.
Call me a know all but after many years in Wales I am still semi fluent in the language.
Cymru am byth. Y Ddraig Goch ddyry gychwyn
PS...if you are coming to Wales a word of warning. Once across the Severn bridge if you smoke in the car with children on board you will be fined £50.00!
I guess in your words...daft?
I have been through the uk immigration documents and guidance and cannot find any reference to welsh being acceptable with exception for tests carried out within uk and for supporting documents regarding employment etc.
The immigration documents seem to specify English
Also on a side issue there are exceptions where no A1 test centre exist , and would be difficult for the candidate to travel to another country , that the pre-entry test does not apply
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"If I viewed it about winning and losing, which I dont, then you would have to say that the criminal has won"
If you view we have to say?
I accept what your saying, unfortunately I did not express myself very well, however you did succinctly point out that he lives a life of luxury, and in my opinion the winning losing philosophy just exacerbates the situation
It is clear to me that unless something changes, and I do not know what changes are required, then he is not going to return to Thailand and will not be extradited.
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One of the two men released last night, who reporters did not identify, said he was unable to contact his son and did not know if he had a hand in the killings.
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Here are some articles about the condom
http://thainews.prd.go.th/centerweb/newsen/NewsDetail?NT01_NewsID=WNSOC5710080010001
No dna on hoe and condom both contaminated and washed by seawater Pol Maj Gen Suwat
“What happened to the initial forensic findings which showed rape had not occurred? Why was the used condom at the crime scene not sent for tests? Why was the son of the village headman not DNA tested? And what happened to one of the CCTV clips showing a suspect which was allegedly cut for two minutes?”
BP 8/10/2014
Dna not found on hoe or condom because probably washed out by sea water or other contamination
This is the first time I have read doubts about the condom being sent for testing
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"Gen Prayut made clear that his position now could not afford him to hold talk with Thaksin or to designate any representative to to act on his behalf as it would be against the law."
Heaven forbid he should want to break the law; like seizing power for himself from the democratically elected government and tearing up the constitution. Very droll.
"democratically elected"
Yawn
Are you aware that you are missing a few very important facts?
democracy is not election only
Im not sure what you are trying to say, there are a number of types of democracy, e.g.Elected and leadership are 2 examples,
The claim that the previous administration was democratically elected is a matter of fact , you may not agree with their policies, actions or standards , however a set of rules in order to carry out an election was put in place and everybody had an opportunity to cast a vote on an equal basis
I am saying democracy is not election only
it is governing for the people, it is being not corrupt, it is having qualified people in the government, it is governing transparently so that the sovereign is always informed
it is not having a convicted criminal who fled the country to avoid a prison time as the grey eminence,
trying to make an amnesty for corrupt people in the government is democracy neither
I could go on
Fair enough
A government that is democratically elected with democratic leadership
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Returning to the topic of reconciliation
Unfortunately we do not live in a world that is simply black and white, right or wrong, the issues about reconciliation surround a balancing act , should it simply be ignored at all costs regardless of its outcome and consequences or is there a wider benefit to simply making compromises and letting bygones be.
Absolutely.
Still somehow the bygones seem to be for a large part on one side, the side where a criminal fugitive has no problem creating chaos to get what he wants. A criminal who even 'democratically' skyped in into cabinet meetings of his sister to order his cabinet to do what he wanted.
So, let bygones be, mostly advocated by those who have the most to win from it.
Rubi
If I viewed it about winning and losing, which I dont, then you would have to say that the criminal has won, living in exile , still wealthy , no signs of being extradited , perception to the outside world of being politically persecuted, and still influential in Thai politics.
However we are where we are and in order to move forward somethings just have to be let go no matter how painful , to keep past resentment just holds you back
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"If I viewed it about winning and losing, which I dont, then you would have to say that the criminal has won..." You really think that's convincing?
Yes he's rich, but rich doesn't mean happy. He can't come home, he's tried some immoral / unethical attempts to get a whitewash, indicating he wants to come home which have all failed.
He has a criminal conviction which is yet to be served out, and he has some approx. 15 serious cases of corruption yet to be heard.
'He's a winner'. I think not.
You need to try better. Or do some more research and get a more accurate analysis and understanding of his situation.
I wasnt going to respond
I didnt say he had won , what I said if I viewed it as wiinning or losing,
At the moment he has liberty and still influences thai politics, he his still in the limelight getting news and social media coverage, all the time while the citizens of thailand have to endure a military coup and martial law.
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berybert, on 15 Feb 2015 - 02:53, said:Hoe with no DNA or fingerprints. No bloodied clothes full stop. Condom with sperm on the outside only. Blond hair snagged to the phone, what phone ? Take your pick. 3 sets of DNA on body, 3rd set of no interest to RTP. Many more.
If swiss cheese had this many holes, there would be no cheese.
I think the condom is a completely irrelevant red herring. Apparently it had a drop of Hannah's blood on the outside which, if true, just means it was laying around at the murder scene.
https://crimesontheblog.wordpress.com/category/koh-tao-sept-2014/the-players-more/crime-scene/
Condom found
initially said to contain victim HWs DNA on the outside
no other DNA (inside)
re-enactment: it is considered unrelated to the crime
only blood drop of victim HW was found on the condom
I agree, the condom is probably a red-herring, as is the cig butt. It's a party beach, for kryssake. backpackers have probably been going to those rocks on the beach for many years, perhaps decades. That's why investigators should reconstruct the trends on that beach, involving the nearby bars and which guys are known to take girls down there. I'm not saying it's bad for guys to seduce chicks (if there's no harm done), but rather: setting precedent with 'persons of interest' would be a big step in the direction of determining who's involved with the crime.
If there were a tramp at the end of your street, and every time any one of a group of young girls walked by him, alone, she got red-faced, angry and/or offended - you might assume something was weird. You might want to know what the tramp was saying/doing. Using that scenario, Thai cops wouldn't care. They might say, "Well, you young girls are pretty, and you dress scantilly and smell so seductive, so why be surprised if a strange man says something rude, or touches you in places you shouldn't be touched."
I am not convinced about the beach party,
From what I understand the beach is quite narrow , The tide due in around 2:30, the accused went swimming around 2:15
Where exactly was the condom found, would it have come into contact with water, dont forgot the Crime scene photos show David almost submerged under water, there is also a report (although I cant find it again) that stated the dna in the condom was to contaminated to obtain a sample.
One of the cigarette buts has muang muang dna, why did the forensic RTP make a mention that this was found at the crime scene if it was not important to the case, but omit the but with a lipstick mark
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Returning to the topic of reconciliation
Unfortunately we do not live in a world that is simply black and white, right or wrong, the issues about reconciliation surround a balancing act , should it simply be ignored at all costs regardless of its outcome and consequences or is there a wider benefit to simply making compromises and letting bygones be.
Absolutely.
Still somehow the bygones seem to be for a large part on one side, the side where a criminal fugitive has no problem creating chaos to get what he wants. A criminal who even 'democratically' skyped in into cabinet meetings of his sister to order his cabinet to do what he wanted.
So, let bygones be, mostly advocated by those who have the most to win from it.
Rubi
If I viewed it about winning and losing, which I dont, then you would have to say that the criminal has won, living in exile , still wealthy , no signs of being extradited , perception to the outside world of being politically persecuted, and still influential in Thai politics.
However we are where we are and in order to move forward somethings just have to be let go no matter how painful , to keep past resentment just holds you back
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Returning to the topic of reconciliation
Unfortunately we do not live in a world that is simply black and white, right or wrong, the issues about reconciliation surround a balancing act , should it simply be ignored at all costs regardless of its outcome and consequences or is there a wider benefit to simply making compromises and letting bygones be.
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"Gen Prayut made clear that his position now could not afford him to hold talk with Thaksin or to designate any representative to to act on his behalf as it would be against the law."
Heaven forbid he should want to break the law; like seizing power for himself from the democratically elected government and tearing up the constitution. Very droll.
"democratically elected"
Yawn
Are you aware that you are missing a few very important facts?
democracy is not election only
Im not sure what you are trying to say, there are a number of types of democracy, e.g.Elected and leadership are 2 examples,
The claim that the previous administration was democratically elected is a matter of fact , you may not agree with their policies, actions or standards , however a set of rules in order to carry out an election was put in place and everybody had an opportunity to cast a vote on an equal basis
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Rubl, you can't expect the last word when you're talking nonsense? You asked me if the fact that the PM had a cabinet explained the General's assertion that he advised the PM? The answer is clearly "NO" as Prayuth was nor a member of Yingluck's cabinet. The minister of defence was Gen Yuthasak Sasiprapha. Now we can let it rest.
Manure of a low quality, my dear chap.
The sequence was
you; "In what World does an army General see fit to advise a PM on anything other than military affairs? She should have sacked him then and there and Thailand would still be a great place to live"
me: "In 2012 the MoD didn't call Gen. Prayut on this and in the general didn't want to become MoD so Ms. Yingluck took the chair. It was commented that time that she had such good relation with him."
you: "Let me re-phrase the question then. In what country does a general or a Minister of Defence see fit to advise their PM on anything else other than military matters"
me: "I'm really surprised you have to ask this.
In democracies, my dear friend. Even normal, common people are allowed to advise and write well-meaning letters to their PM."
That's when you should have stopped. Instead you just couldn't get enough
you: "There, that wasn't so difficult was it? But where I come from writing a letter doesn't = giving advice, it means writing a letter"
me: "Well, even in democratic countries not everyone is equal and has the ear of the PM. That's why normal common people write letters. Only those close to the PM can advise as in 'telling'."
you: "The General would hardly qualify as "common people" The PM has a cabinet to advise."
me: "Neither did I say the general did. The PM herself seemed to have had contacts with General Prayut. She even seems to have asked him to become her hand picked MoD when it was time for a reshuffle. He declined and she took the cap of MoD. It was said a.o. because she had such a good relation with him.
Now doesn't all that explain why then General Prayut could 'advise' the PM? Maybe she even asked for it.
May I suggest we let this discussion rest now?"
So, now you claim victory with some more rubbish? What's next, stating that it is normal in democracies to protect a PM from advise she seeks or just gets from friends? Even a golf caddy could skype-in into cabinet meetings to say hello remember?
What World do you live in? "she seems to have asked him top become her hand-picked MOD"? Are you insane? Can you back your "seems to" with fact? This is one of the men behind her brother's demise. What a weird little world of make-believe you live in. Just invent stuff to suit your warped argument.
What world do I live in? Let go of those negative waves, a world with (mainly) nice people of course.
Also a world where we had events like
"However, over the past two years Yingluck has proven that she can work well with the military, especially with Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha.
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Reports had it that party strategists wanted Prayuth to leave his post to become defence minister so that he can serve as a link to help bring about reconciliation. The big boss and the prime minister agreed to this plan. However, Prayuth reportedly turned down the offer, and since then more candidates have lobbied for the Defence post, including Deputy Transport Minister General Prin Suvanadat, who has the backing of Panthongtae Shinawatra, Thaksin's son. Others who eye the post include General Somchai Wissanuwong, a close friend of former supreme commander General Chaiyasit Shinawatra.
Yingluck, who fears that military candidates for this powerful post could later subvert the party if they become disappointed, reportedly made a phone call to the big boss, asking him to let her double in the post as a solution."
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/649716-yingluck-tipped-to-double-up-as-minister-of-defence/
Rubi
Aye whatever
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The death of an innocent is inexcusable , regardless of which side you favour.
If I understand correctly we are talking about professional soldiers who are trained to act and conduct themselves under pressure firing indiscriminately
The person gave the order to use live ammo must bear some responsibility , for 2 reasons
It suggests there was an alternative to using Live ammo and secondly it is reasonable to assume that with the issue of that order it would be known that deaths would occur
Now I dont think any side is or has been a paragon of virtue for the past 10 years, but I cannot agree that the ends justify the means, as the past 70-80 years have repeatedly demonstrated
Some have it that the army fired indiscriminately. We had the UDD report from Robert Amsterdam mentioning thousands of round fired into a densely packed mass of peaceful protesters on April 10th. A poster a day or so ago described "snipers mowing down".
Sure on April 10th when the army hastily retreated and fired to be able to retreat they may have been indiscriminate. The retreat from peaceful protesters lobbing grenades and shooting was somewhat disorganised.
The deaths related to the topic occurred on the 19th of May, 2010. Again the army was met with heavy gunfire and grenades. In such situations soldiers will first shoot and then ask. Thailand doesn't have disciplined Special Forces or SAS and the fire power of the 'peacefulls" would have given the police with special trained forces also a wee bit of a problem I would imagine. Since they were not available the government had to do with the army only.
Somehow I get the impression that you want to justify the innocent deaths , and blame others
The thai army recieves training from the usa so I dismiss your conclusion that they are not disciplined. No matter how much you try to dress it up the package is what it is ,
Somehow you seem to want to blame without understanding, but maybe I've told you a few times already.
Aye , whatever
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The death of an innocent is inexcusable , regardless of which side you favour.
If I understand correctly we are talking about professional soldiers who are trained to act and conduct themselves under pressure firing indiscriminately
The person gave the order to use live ammo must bear some responsibility , for 2 reasons
It suggests there was an alternative to using Live ammo and secondly it is reasonable to assume that with the issue of that order it would be known that deaths would occur
Now I dont think any side is or has been a paragon of virtue for the past 10 years, but I cannot agree that the ends justify the means, as the past 70-80 years have repeatedly demonstrated
Some have it that the army fired indiscriminately. We had the UDD report from Robert Amsterdam mentioning thousands of round fired into a densely packed mass of peaceful protesters on April 10th. A poster a day or so ago described "snipers mowing down".
Sure on April 10th when the army hastily retreated and fired to be able to retreat they may have been indiscriminate. The retreat from peaceful protesters lobbing grenades and shooting was somewhat disorganised.
The deaths related to the topic occurred on the 19th of May, 2010. Again the army was met with heavy gunfire and grenades. In such situations soldiers will first shoot and then ask. Thailand doesn't have disciplined Special Forces or SAS and the fire power of the 'peacefulls" would have given the police with special trained forces also a wee bit of a problem I would imagine. Since they were not available the government had to do with the army only.
Somehow I get the impression that you want to justify the innocent deaths , and blame others
The thai army recieves training from the usa so I dismiss your conclusion that they are not disciplined. No matter how much you try to dress it up the package is what it is ,
Koh Tao murder trial rescheduled
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Does anybody see any similarities between the foreigner with asian woman and tom