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If you enter on or before the "enter before " date marked on the visa you will be given permission to stay for 90 days.

Best you be more specific.

However, it is unlikely that children would ever qualify for a "B" visa.

If you are working you need a "B" visa and a work permit.

Once you have secured an extension of Stay based on working your husband and the children can obtain extensions of stay based on being dependent on you. They will require "O" visas before they can apply which can only be obtained outside Thailand.

I hope you have had a serious discussion with your employer, who seems to have a "relaxed" attitude toward providing very important documentation.

So, no easy ride for UK nationals and £5000 is more than 200000 baht, maybe they don't UK farang anymore, easy way to deal with that, go somewhere else!

£5000 equates to approx 1300 Bht/day.over a 6 month period !

That for someone on holiday would have to cover accommodation, food, transportation etc, etc.

Guess they are aiming at the cheap end of the UK market.

No one does a 6 month holiday and gets time off work, you know it's to stop people from working illegally and staying long term in Thailand.

My son, by combining his normal annual leave with his long service award could easily afford 6 months holiday whilst on full pay !

But I agree, the new visa will act as a deterrent to illegal working and staying long term on inappropriate visas

So, no easy ride for UK nationals and £5000 is more than 200000 baht, maybe they don't UK farang anymore, easy way to deal with that, go somewhere else!

£5000 equates to approx 1300 Bht/day.over a 6 month period !

That for someone on holiday would have to cover accommodation, food, transportation etc, etc.

Guess they are aiming at the cheap end of the UK market.

Saying that KL and Colombo are accepting METV application from non-residents is not an interpretation, its just reading their requirements.

How is someone going to provide the following requirements in Colombo:

• 4. 850,000 LKR per person with the last 6 months of financial statement
• 5. Letter of employment of the applicant

or the following in KL:

• 3. Original Letter from employer to certify the employment.
• 4. Original letter for bank account confirmation from the bank and Bank statement.

You must be "interpreting" these requirements to include foreign employers and banks when common sense would suggest otherwise.

Given these requirements and the fact that both these embassies go against all others that have published METV requirements, clarification is needed before you can make your claim that either will accept applications from non-nationals.

1/I already answered that question.

It's exhausting.

KL is specifically requesting for FOREIGN DOCUMENTS to be notarized.

it's there a the bottom of the requirements.

Is that to hard to actually read the documents that people send you, instead of constantly trying to win some absurd argument?

it means they DO ACCEPT FOREIGN DOCUMENTS.

2/ Yes it does not say "we accept foreigners", but embassies have a minimum proficiency in English if they want to have residents only applications, they will ask for "resident only" and ask for proof of residence such as residence permit, like they do in most other countries

We all look forward to the report of you successfully obtaining an METV from KL

Could you now give it a rest for a while ?

Amazing in all those threads are postings about how to enter another country on 50 Baht and come right back for maybe 100 Baht. Looking at this point I guess its a good idea to getting rid of all those cheap charlies that have been making Thailand their first home.

If it even needs to be discussed on how to enter another country for 50 Baht, I can only say well done Immigration and the MFA and lets start with Phase II. Mukhdahan immigration chief is pissed already that 50% of all foreigners crossing the border are Filipino's to get another stamp just to teach for another 2 months English at some schools. They are looking forward to January when no more Filipinos are crossing the borders. Sakon Nakhon is flooded with teachers from Black Africa that work for Baht 18000 Baht a month and a room (2500 Baht) for free.

Great news however, a lot of Thais have been send overseas in the past 5 years and the son of a former friend (Military attache /London) of mine graduated in English at a university and according to him thousands of Thais have been send over to Europe and they will start as teacher of both Mathematics, Science and English in the next term. In 5 years no one needs Farangs or Africans for teaching English.

Such contempt for poor people only scraping it on 18000 a month teaching and for Luke, father of a baby here trying his best to stay with his son is to say the least inappropriate.

1. "Luke" could solve his problem easily by marrying the child's mother and obtaining a visa/ extension of stay based on marriage.

2. Those who "volunteer" to work with inappropriate visas and no work permit deserve no sympathy.

If you get the 60 day extension and a re-entry permit you could apply for the extension shortly after you get back from your trip. CW will do the extension up to 45 days early and the 30 day under consideration would start on the date you apply. You could then get a re-entry permit for the under consideration period.

Look at the date that would work for your schedule and work it out. It has been a long day and I would not trust my own numbers.

Getting the 60 day extension would not break the chain of extension you have gotten.

Ok thank you, I'll figure it out, I can then arrange the timing accordingly.

For tomorrow, do I use the TM7 but write 60 days instead of 365 days?

Just wanna get everything done at home before going there.

From what I have checked tomorrow I will only need this:

• Passport (original).

• Photocopy of passport.

• Photocopy of visa and arrival card (these will be in your passport).

• House certificate / copy of lease agreement at the condo you stay in. (Take the original if you have it). If this is your condo lease agreement, it must have your signature and the owners signature on it. A piece of paper stating your address, the deposit you paid and the amount you pay each month is not enough. It must be a proper agreement.

• Wife’s Tabien Baan (copy is fine) – this is the house document for the home she is officially registered as living in Thailand.

• Wife’s ID card (original to be shown, also have a copy with you). If security tries to take this from your wife at the entrance in exchange for a card, be sure to tell them you need it to show the immigration officer. We ran into this issue and had to retrieve it.

• Marriage Certificate (original and copy) – Make sure you take the original because I nearly came unstuck only having a copy last time.

(via http://www.thethailandlife.com/non-immigrant-visa-extend-stay-60-days)

Best add wife to that list!

She must be present when you apply.

"(1) faster (2) simpler and (3) cheaper NOT to follow the legal ways but just play with the system by getting new tourist visas or visa-exemptions every month or so for years."

Sure throw the toys out of the pram and have a tantrum.

I am sure you will never believe that many of us never have a problem extending our stay in Thailand.

Enjoy the visa runs.

Report:

- Phitsanulok immigration: granted the 30day extension on the 1st entry in about 20 minutes for B1900.

- Thai-Lao friendship bridge, 1 month later: I tried only exiting and entering Thailand on the Thai side of the bridge. The officer insisted I entered Laos first. No discussion but it was worth the try. On the Lao side I played it safe by getting a visa on arrival. All I had to do was fill out two forms and pay 350.000KIP or US$36 because I didn't bring a photo or copy passport. Went back to Thailand and entered using my 2nd entry of the triple entry tourist visa. No charge and good for another 2 months. The whole procedure took 1.5 hours including waiting.

Question: Could I have done the border run whitout the visa on arrival by simply getting my passport stamped and afterwards directly exiting Laos?

NO!

I have a follow up question...

What about some of the Thai law firms selling business visas online? Are they fraudulent as well? I couldn't imagine this being so as they openly advertise this on their websites.

Have they found a loophole in the system as far as obtaining as business visa is concerned? Could this also be the case with a WP?

Thanks for all the feedback guys! All of you have been really helpful with darrends being the exception. So much negative from that guy.

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I hve riend whos a solicitor and they do visas amongst other legal areas. He openly admitted to me they look for loopholes and target them.

There is nothing "illegal" associated with looking for Legal loopholes.

Those who benefit from such "loopholes" should refrain from squealing when the "loopholes" are plugged.

How about retired "snowbirds" ?

How can they prove employment?

I think you will find that some embassies/consulates will allow people on pensions to apply.

What about people between 50 to 60 something, who are self-funded retirees, and don't receiving government pension yet?

Get a retirement Visa for 2000 Baht , valid for one year ?

There is no "retirement visa"

There is, however, an O/A (long stay) visa which if correctly used gives a stay of almost 2 years

The visa costs £125 in London which is approx 6000 Bht!

Hi I am a slightly confused now on the best route. If I understand correctly I have two options.

1. We both get individual OA Long stay from London Embassy. These will last nearly two years if we exit Thailand just prior to the expiry date and will be re stamped for nearly another year. From ubonjoe information my husband can then apply for extension of stay for one year, with usual 800000 baht seasoned for two months ( we don't have a pension) and I can get my extension of stay based on being his spouse. No way are we transferring 2 X 800000 into the country for us both.

Or

2. My husband gets OA Longstay and I get non O as his dependent at London embassy, then I extend for one year in Thailand before the 90 days are up?However I have read no reports on how I could stay nearly 2 years. What happens when I go out of the country just prior to the expiry date with my husband, I can't see how they would stamp me in for another 12 months. Am I missing something here?

Some concerns I have is if we both get O A long stay will I definitely be able to apply for extension of stay as dependent. Or is safer to be a dependent from the beginning with just an O visa. In that case I am worried I won't be able to extend another year when we we fly in and out of Thailand to extend my husbands OA, or will at this stage we just apply for extension of stay after 12 months.

I hope all this doesn't sound too confusing.

Option 2 is your best choice.

If you leave the country whist on an extension of stay you need to have a re-entry permit.

Extensions are for a max of one year and are easily renewed.

It's going to be hard to live in Thailand long term on a tourist visa now. A lot of people will be affected by it.

Exactly.

Maybe they will all apply for Ed visas with the help of Walen !

Just to clarify if it is not clear

The child is a British citizen - not Thai. She was not born in Thailand and her mother is not Thai - only her father.

She stays in Thailand with her Thai father

Obtaining Thai citizenship and Thai passport for her is difficult - and so far all attempts have failed.

Therefore she needs to clear her overstay and get the correct permission to stay in Thailand

It is just complicated a bit by her British passport needing renewal at the same time

I would appreciate advice about how to achieve what is required now - getting her Thai nationality is a longer term goal

If the child has a Thai Father she IS Thai

Did anyone bother to register her birth with the Thai Embassy in the country where the child was born?

1. Passport? Open the link I just provided and follow the instructions.

2. Try for an extension of stay. It may be given if her birth certificate is available which names the Thai Farther.

Nothing "bad " will happen to the child if she continues to overstay. Does she attend school ? if so is the school Private or State run ?

British passports cannot be renewed at the Embassy. Open the link for detail.

https://www.gov.uk/overseas-passports

An extension of stay can be obtained from immigration.

The child' father should obtain a Thai passport for his daughter.

Once the Thai passport has been obtained the child and one of her parents need to exit Thailand using the British passport, fly to a nearby country and return using the Thai passport to enter the country.

"Were you to obtain a non-O based on dependency initially, these would always be out of kilter with each other by 3 or 9 months (depending on which way you look at things)."

Nonsense!

An extension provided on the basis of dependency always matches the expiry date of the of the visa/extension the "dependency" is linked to.

"Six months from the date of entry..."

So that means if you enter on 1st December then the visa expires on 1st June. Your six months are up. Won't matter how much time you spend in another country every 60 days.

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A visa is valid from the day it is issued NOT the date when it is first used.

Again ill say- It is only useless if you expect to live in Thailand continuously on the cheap on tourist visas

But its easy to ser what will happen. Every Tom Dick and cheap Charlie will be getting back to back SEs from Vientane so they dont have to fly home

Then Thai immigrations will again crack down on back to back SEs and that will spell the end for everyone

There is already a limit on back to backs from Laos and there is still the possibility to apply for METV in Malaysia and Srilanka.

Both Malaysia and Sri Lanka require EVIDENCE of employment !

I doubt that "professional visa runner" will meet the employment critera

Are you sure you have a "Direct Deposit bank account with Bangkok Bank, USA," ?

The Bangkok bank in NY is not a retail bank and does not usually offer personal accounts.

Perhaps reading the content of the link will help remove confusion.

http://www.bangkokbank.com/BangkokBank/PersonalBanking/DailyBanking/TransferingFunds/TransferringIntoThailand/ReceivingFundsfromUSA/Pages/ReceivingFundsfromUSA.aspx

Sorry for the slow response back at my end... and I do understand this can seem a confusing topic, and is strange on many levels...

Let me supply a couple links of my own... THIS one http://photos.state.gov/libraries/chiangmai/231771/PDFs/Direct%20deposit%20procedures.pdf

...both from the US Government, on THIS page: http://chiangmai.usconsulate.gov/service/u.s.-federal-benefit-information.html

...refers to the account as "Direct Deposit Account", so that the US Social Security can deposit my retirement funds, directly, WITHIN the United States.

This one from Bangkok Bank: http://www.bangkokbank.com/BangkokBank/PersonalBanking/DailyBanking/TransferingFunds/TransferringIntoThailand/ReceivingFundsfromUSA/Pages/ReceivingFundsfromUSA.aspx

... DOES explain:

"Holders of US bank accounts can save on fees for international funds transfers by transferring funds from the United States to Thailand via the US Automated Clearing House system (US ACH) and Bangkok Bank's New York branch.

By stipulating the 9-digit routing number for Bangkok Bank's New York branch (026008691) in your US transfer instruction, the funds will be transferred via the US ACH system directly to the receiver's Bangkok Bank account in Thailand, for a lower fee than most other international wire transfer services."

...that it's a New York Branch of Bangkok Bank.

From the ChiangMai US Consulate PDF, (first link above) this information:

and thus... my mild confusion about this...

Since it says the money is "available in Thai Baht at any Bangkok Bank branch"... does that mean (if I don't need the funds in-hand at this time) I can just leave it in this special account (for withdrawal at a later time) and that my account book (with the monthly deposits shown) would be satisfactory financial proof for the ONE YEAR RETIREMENT visa,

...as explained on THIS Thai Government Web page: http://www.thaiembassy.com/retire/retire.php

...they state there:

STEP 2: OBTAIN A ONE-YEAR RETIREMENT VISA

Requirements:

• Must be 50 years old and above
• Passport (signed copies of each page)
• Non-Immigrant Visa
• Departure Card TM.6
• Proof of meeting Financial Requirements
• Thai Bank Book (original)
• Letter from your Thai Bank *** any idea WHAT we are to ask them to write, in this letter???***
• Three(3) 4×5 cm photos, with full face taken

and from the same page:

Meeting the Financial Requirements for a Retirement Visa:

Financial Requirements are as follows:

• Bank Account showing THB 800,000
• Monthly income of at least THB 65,000
• Combination (Bank Account + Income x 12 = THB 800,000)

...so taken literally (dangerous to do that in LOS, lol) it would seem that my Bangkok Bank Account Book (with monthly printed updates within) would suffice as proof of monthly income, eh? IE I could just leave the in this special "Direct Deposit Account", until actually needed, at a later date?

Thanks,

Pawpcorn

"...as explained on THIS Thai Government Web page: http://www.thaiembas...tire/retire.php "

That is NOT a Thai government link ! It is a COMMERCIAL link to a group of lawyers.

The site is known to have many errors and should not be relied on for good information.

Where is the information that the ED Visa Isis now only 6 months .

The only change I heard is that you only allowed to do 2 in a row not 3 anymore.

After my friend at CHiang mai Immigration was told this last week that he could not now apply for a third 1.

Who would be nice if some one official would put everyone straight on ED visas.

Many schools here for english in Chiangmai still all advertising 1 year. never see a 6 months visa.

All I know a lot of the cottage Industries here in Cm have been completely destroyed by this big shake up.

Good or bad many unhappy Thais and Farangs In Cm with the new Laws.

A one year Ed visa is unobtainable within the region.

The only Ed visa which can be had (with the correct paperwork) is a single entry visa which provides a 90 day entry. Further stay , up to one year depending on the course, is facilitated by extensions of stay granted by immigration to those who abide by the visas terms and conditions which includes attending classes.

Non of this is "secret" and was well published !

Have just been to a local Thai Visa Office and have been informed that it is not a problem after the 13th to get the 6 month multi, just a Passport and 3 photo,s are required. The new rules are supposed to simplify the system apparently. Will be going at the end of the month so will let you know, that is if nobody finds out before.

Do you mean you got information from some visa agent ?

Please let us know when you have obtained an METV

You can request a single entry non "O" visa based on marriage which will provide one entry of 90 days.

What do you intend to do when that 90 day entry is coming to an end ?

NB

A non "O" visa based on marriage is a non imm "O" visa

They are the same visa !

Ok, so it will only valid for a 90days period only.

I am really confused. Inside Thailand, the single entry non-imm O given by immigration branch is valid for 1 year. The applicant do not need to leave the Thailand.

Anyway, this issue is not much importance, more for clarification.

Going to get the Multi-entry non-imm O.

Thanks!

There is NO non "O" visa issued inside Thailand which is valid for one year.

An "extension of stay" (which is NOT a visa) is valid for one year.

Ok, I understand now.

One last question.

Is there any difference between the extension of stay based on marriage and non-imm O based on marriage? For example like acquiring Thai citizenship? They stated we need to have consecutive years of staying in Thailand.

I suggest you concentrate on learning the difference between Visas and "Extensions of stay" (which are not visas) before worrying about citizenship which requires a number of consecutive years on extensions and a history of working (with a work permit) and tax payment before you can even be considered for citizenship.

You can request a single entry non "O" visa based on marriage which will provide one entry of 90 days.

What do you intend to do when that 90 day entry is coming to an end ?

NB

A non "O" visa based on marriage is a non imm "O" visa

They are the same visa !

Ok, so it will only valid for a 90days period only.

I am really confused. Inside Thailand, the single entry non-imm O given by immigration branch is valid for 1 year. The applicant do not need to leave the Thailand.

Anyway, this issue is not much importance, more for clarification.

Going to get the Multi-entry non-imm O.

Thanks!

There is NO non "O" visa issued inside Thailand which is valid for one year.

An "extension of stay" (which is NOT a visa) is valid for one year.

You can request a single entry non "O" visa based on marriage which will provide one entry of 90 days.

What do you intend to do when that 90 day entry is coming to an end ?

Your only choices are .......

1. Apply for an extension of stay based on marriage. (400.000 Bht in a Thai Bank or a provable 40,000 Bht./month income.

2. Apply for a once only 60 day extension to visit your wife (just 1900 Bht fee)

3.Exit the country for another visa

NB

A non "O" visa based on marriage is a non imm "O" visa

They are the same visa !

The officer that changes the visa types is not willing to process the application. She did consult another person in the same office who agreed that it would not be accepted.

Thoughts are that I try again in Bangkok telling them that I live in Bangkok but that could be fraught with issues ... unless I actually rent a condo in Bangkok for the duration of the process.

They are starting to wear me down ...

Thoughts? Ideas?

As mentioned before. From multiple reports, Immigration is not granting this type of extensions. You can try submitting it with a legal firm and all the money that goes together with that.

" From multiple reports, Immigration is not granting this type of extensions",

How many reports ?

Links please.