AussieBob18

2 hours ago, DrTuner said:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-officials-raised-alarm-about-wuhan-lab-researching-bat-coronaviruses-in-2018-military-investigating

It is conceivable the research in bats that was done their in the BSL-4 lab leaked out. The bats were not from the Hubei province at all, they brought there by Dr Shi.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3049397/bat-ladys-cave-exploits-offer-hope-beat-virus-sneakier-sars

If there was a leak, was it on purpose in an evil commie masterplan to get their own infected and recovered first, so that they could then gobble up the rest of the world for pennies? Would sound exactly what commies have done since the bolsheviks. People are just cannon fodder on their quest for party supremacy.  

It's strange people balk at fascist nazies, but their even more evil cousin, the commies, are just cuddly toy bears. Communism must be eradicated.

Thanks for the links - will keep them - much appreciated.

You are very correct - socialism/communism has killed far more people than Hitler/Germany ever did. Stalin's Govt is estimated to have killed 30 million while he was in power - and all up the estimates are 100 million to 150 million since 1900 have been killed by communism.  People seem to forget/ignore that communist China has killed far more people that Nazi Germany did. Would people be happy to get cheap stuff made in Nazi Germany? The media is to blame a lot for this - Chinese money has bought them influence and that has given them 'cover' - but look under the covers and there they are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

And who/what is the biggest killers of them all?

Hitler? Stalin?

No - it is Mao and his Govt is still in power in China - people need to realise who and what China is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

I guarantee you that 90+% of the western world have no idea how things really are in Thailand - we know.

I also guarantee you that 90+% of the western world have no idea how bad China really is.

Imagine living in a country that since 1950s has killed so many people, and has made the western world et al, think they are just fine? You think the Thais keep quiet about what is happening - the Chinese even more so. 

IMO (no evidence - balance of probabilities) what happened is that the virus leaked and the local authorities tried to cover it up. When 'HQ CCP' found out, they too tried to cover it up.  Would there have been some inside CCP HQ thinking there may be a benefit if this is spread around the world? Maybe.  But a pre-meditated plan to do it? Unlikely.  But either way China is really responsible for the worldwide pandemic.  And WHO is culpable - Taiwan tried to tell them in late December or early January and WHO ignored them because CCP made them ignore them (One China policy) - and that is why WHO is so defensive.

https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/03/25/2003733321

6 minutes ago, BeltAndRoad said:

My wife is a recovering FB addict, yet sadly as a junkie would just replace heroine with morphine, my wife has replaced FB with a daily dose of Thai soap opera. 

Sorry to hear that - but better than FBook.  I never try to limit the candy crush - she is doing it now as I type ????

Highest ever is 250 kms - BMW S1000RR - in Australia ???? 

Sydney to Canberra freeway at a spot where they cannot have speed vans because of safety issues - Yeehaa

Mate was a highway patrolman (K1200) - he took his Kawasaki ZX-14 to 300ks at same spot - so he said.

In Thailand? 100kms on the rented Honda PCX150 - that scared me a lot more.

10 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

How witty - I am so embarrassed - what will I do ????

13 minutes ago, chessman said:

Deliberate manipulation from AussieBob about this article. The number of dead are most likely being under-reported almost everywhere. That is what happens during viruses.

NYT article you just quoted to me in another thread deliberately overstated them - 3700 over-stated.

I call this guy out as a Troll

#instablock as James Woods says. 

15 minutes ago, chessman said:

Fair enough - I agree. 
unlike some others here, you’ve clearly thought about this situation a lot. But then why deliberately misrepresent that New York Times article?

OK then - we have an agreement.

Misrepresent - or did I just quote the exact words spoken by the health authority person.

Sure - I disagreed with the context and aim of the article - but the words spoken are quoted by NYT - I just didnt use them as some sort of justification for counting dead bodies like thew NYT did.  Come on mate - 'deaths due to the hospitals being overworked' or words to that effect. 

17 minutes ago, chessman said:

You miss the point. Many people in this thread are criticising experts. You were liking all their posts! I gave an example of an expert who was correct. A man who used scientific thinking to save lives. A guy in this thread earlier thought that hygiene instead of science was responsible for improved life expectancy!!! As if the two are not linked.

 

of course there should be competing plans and theories to do with Covid 19. There are still many unknowns. But nobody should be as sure as you seem to be that you are correct and the response of nearly every country in the world is wrong.

Obtuse thinking buddy - as I said before lets agree to disagree - time will tell which experts are right and which are wrong.

12 minutes ago, BeltAndRoad said:

True, she was busy bumping ugly's with Chelsea's father  

???? She sure doesnt look anything like either Killary or Bill

44 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The USA is somewhat split - and I am referring to leadership/power factions, not the general-populace, whose viewpoint is not even a consideration.  There are many interest groups involved, including "national security hawks," some of whom are not fans of further-empowering China.  But, then there are the Rockefeller-globalists - who started the whole thing rolling - who are heavily invested in China.

 

The Daily-Mail broke the funding-story - don't know if links to that source are permitted, but can be found with "The US National Institutes of Health, a government agency, awarded a $3.7million research grant to the Wuhan Institute of Virology."

 

No doubt this will be explained as "trying to get involved to prevent something like this."  But that lab was part of a global-network, tied into the WHO, etc - same as similar labs in the USA, Japan, and Europe.   While a "global effort" on this issue would be nice if "done right," when it is run by kleptocrat-govts and robber-barrons, it's hard to imagine anything good coming out of it.

Yes you are right - the USA admin funded part of the lab setup - and many of the senior people who became the heads of the lab came from US - Chinese citizens working at level 4 labs in US.  This whole thing is yet another example of the CCP appeasing by saying all the right things, and influencing those with the power (money), to get what they want - with very different ulterior motives - and those under influence dont really care, even though they know what the CCP really are. 

There is a story somewhere about how the constructon of the lab was a worry - lost it - but found this:

"China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could 'escape' the facility that's become key in fighting the outbreak"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html

25 minutes ago, BeltAndRoad said:

In America also right there in the oval office of all places.

Hillary didn't seem to mind - as long as he left her alone.

8 minutes ago, chessman said:

Or you can look at history, at the great cholera epidemics of the 19th century. There were all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories about it. Riots in some places because people didn’t believe the authorities. But science carried on, a guy called John Snow, a scientist, was sure it was carried by water. He did research and we learned exactly how it was spread. The experts got it right and found the ‘solutions’.

you can scoff at the Dunning Kruger Effect but can’t you see how it applies to you. You seem even more sure of your correctness than the contrarian scientists whose ideas you support.

It is easy to quote the experts that agree with you - like I did. But I only did that to show that there are experts who do not agree with the mainstream experts - people claimed all the experts said the virus is deadly and the lockdown was needed to save millions of lives.

No - your story about John Snow is wrong . You have missed the point - because you are thinking and seeing things from the now perspective.  When John Snow had his theory, all the experts said he was wrong - he was an absolute minority of 1. The same applies to many scientific discoveries - those that go against the 'mainstream' are more often than not the ones that make the changes in the world. Einstein, Newton, Galilee, are just a few of the thousands who went against the mainstream of their time and changed the world for the better - then they and those that follow them become experts - until somone later challenges them and is proven to be correct.  All things change in time - today's facts are tomorrows failures.

When we are having our discussions I am not saying to you that I am absolutely correct in everything that I say, or that you are absolutely wrong in everything that you say. But I do state that any claim that 'experts' are right because they are experts, and that they are responsible for all mankind's advancements, goes against history and is patently false. 

And I am also saying that to accept what the experts are saying about Covid and the lockdown (or anything), does not mean I am wrong.  I could be right and I could be wrong. But I am not wrong just because most 'experts' say different - and I am not right because one experts says what I agree with.

9 minutes ago, kevin612 said:

I wash my hand all the time and carry hand sanitizer when I go out. I even wear a mask when I throw the trash.

Good boy Kevin.  Not like that awful Bob.

28 minutes ago, crobe said:

You are a bit wrong on your history

Nixon (republican) opened up to China in 1972

Carter (democrat) accepted the one-china policy

George W Bush (republican) was in office for almost a year when China became a member of WTO in December 2001 - he could have reversed this

Diplomatic contacts were started by Nixon - not trade.

Yes you are right - it was Carter that first agreed to the One China deal. But the USA later passed the Taiwan Relations Act, which guarantees US support for the island.  The Act means the US will help Taiwan defend itself (against China) and it has caused the 'stalemate'.

Clinton supported and smoothed the way for China to join the World Trade Agreement as a full and favoured member - that is how they have started to take over the SEAsia and they have used that wealth generated from trade to spread their influence and corruption. In his early years Clinton went hard in China especially about human rights abuses, but then later, especially in his second term, he become very much a supporter - I often wonder why ????

The Bushes were and are globalists - they both supported China for trade - but in GOP they never got enough support to take it much further.

Trump called the Taiwan leader early on (like Clinton did) - and he continues to upset the apple cart.

I expect that Trump will withdraw from the One China policy in his second term - I cannot see him doing a 180 like Clinton did and start to support them (maybe because he is already a billionaire and cannot be bought by them?). 

15 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Surely without lockdown the rates of infection and subsquent death would be exponential.

I just saw an article on the bbc about Hokkiado who tried to reopen but have had to lockdown again.

Yep - just read that - they did two things wrong me thinks.

They had not done enough testing - they had no idea many people were infected but with no symptoms.

They opened schools - children are harbingers of infections - spreads very very quickly and they take it home.

Most flus get spread by kids - and it doesnt affect them that much.

Opening schools would one of the last things I would do to re-open things.

Allowing kids to visit grandma would also be one of the last things.

Before opening airports - but not before most others.

What is needed is for the herd to get immunity as I have said many times.

It is the only thing - a vaccine is a pipe dream - or lock-down forever? 

Totally reopening will make it spread fast - gradually is sensibly.

Re-opening will cause it to spread (like any viral flu) - do it so it is managed.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=347e51990df80f3e9947d8c912292bdf4d0993c8-1585316112-0-AZTuoAlXcADhMEWNatVJFkDj2XvXM5Lme97CPVmC-Wr1_-g9sVxxDBnFGifXH8NnsO83gxiyn4SWUW6BQtSMnR5YYJkfyF3bPah2XtutnU3O-ex4Vwv3RSGNfunGc9KdVvmAWfUNqZXyaC8MRckootFCVCbclKLf5KS2HTyqPD8xCvpE3PE4IQ4F106rCThKVwbrID7GBqJG6ylLOFjNNCMp-iLoQHR5tNS6-Q9usAGmrdzxWvs2b5BaVULCUVhZUKNbjhg0bYUkPtob-LahJ45quzVbKAgkUn0qbl_mofE6fIBWmU6iHOqD0L3Fo1zb6Vr8GwMgEaVcJd8NvrJV1AsXWG871s6-rrivRnsktklG

OK then - that seems to have shut them up and made them go away.

So here for the rational and reasonable and the non-sheeple is this:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=347e51990df80f3e9947d8c912292bdf4d0993c8-1585316112-0-AZTuoAlXcADhMEWNatVJFkDj2XvXM5Lme97CPVmC-Wr1_-g9sVxxDBnFGifXH8NnsO83gxiyn4SWUW6BQtSMnR5YYJkfyF3bPah2XtutnU3O-ex4Vwv3RSGNfunGc9KdVvmAWfUNqZXyaC8MRckootFCVCbclKLf5KS2HTyqPD8xCvpE3PE4IQ4F106rCThKVwbrID7GBqJG6ylLOFjNNCMp-iLoQHR5tNS6-Q9usAGmrdzxWvs2b5BaVULCUVhZUKNbjhg0bYUkPtob-LahJ45quzVbKAgkUn0qbl_mofE6fIBWmU6iHOqD0L3Fo1zb6Vr8GwMgEaVcJd8NvrJV1AsXWG871s6-rrivRnsktklG

11 minutes ago, John1012 said:

Sell/scrap/mothball  the NON aircraft carrier. Cancel/mothball all naval assets that are not defensive assets. Ground/sell all offensive warplanes, replace with state of the art defensive missile/radar systems.Thailand does not need any assets that are internationally offensive.  Slim down drastically the officer corp of the armed forces, only keep those on full time active duty. That should release a large portion of the budget that can be used for infrastructure/education/health and public support.

2 chances. None and Buckley's.

Or another way - as a snowflake in Hell (or the White House).