AlexRich

17 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

Is this relevant to Brexit, as I beleive many other currencies are suffering against the Baht. Example the Aussie $, or Do you beleive their currencies are also suffering,due to Brexit.

The point is that Brexit and the prospect of no deal adds greatly to GBP’s fall against the Baht, if the decision had been to Remain then GBP would still be lower against the Baht, but at a much higher level than it is today.

21 hours ago, Pilotman said:

If we make a choice, any choice, we live by the consequences.  What we don't do, if we have any self respect at all, is expect perfect strangers to get us out of those consequences.  

You mean like Kinder Transport during the War? We should have told those Jewish children to sort things out with the SS, and don’t come whining to us with your problems?

At times we all might have to rely on the kindness of strangers, and it might not be down to any choices that we made in life.

3 hours ago, Ulic said:

Remainers just don't seem to get it. If you take a no deal brexit of the table the EU has no reason to negotiate in good faith. Like a union who doesn't give their negotiators a strike mandate. Or maybe they do. They are remainers and are doing everything to cripple good faith negotiations. I just don't know.

Do you think the EU negotiators live in a bubble? They don’t read newspapers or watch speeches given by the likes of Johnson and Hunt? A “no deal” Brexit is the end for the Tories, they’ll be out of power within months. 

Many Germans loved Hitler, supported him in whatever he wanted to do, right up until the point they were sitting in the rubble of Berlin, surrounded by dead family members, watching their women and children get raped by Russian soldiers. At that point they probably reflected that it wasn’t such a great idea. People will only wake up when they feel the pain of a no deal calamity, and by then the damage is done.

3 hours ago, roquefort said:

Good to see someone talking sense on here instead of just playground finger-pointing. It's the UNCERTAINTY, stupid.

 

If businesses knew where they stood and could get on with preparing for a no-deal Brexit (which is what we should have been doing from Day 1 of the negotiations) we could mitigate any adverse effects and get on with our lives. Britons are a resourceful race, we survived for centuries without any help from the EU and will do so again.

Unfortunately more nonsense. It’s the prospect of a no deal on WTO terms, stupid.

Try telling motor manufacturers that they can mitigate any adverse effects of a no deal Brexit? You might want to set up a consultancy and explain to them all how that’s done? Or explain to some farmers how to sell their product with tariffs slapped on to them.

We survived the war? Except for the 55 million around the world who did not. 

Dumb just got dumber.

16 hours ago, Brigand said:

Project Fear at it again.

And Project Denial still going strong ... 

Trump, the great negotiator, is anything but ... I suspect he'll call off hostilities until he can secure re-election, and the China technology team will be doing a "Russia", manipulating social media to thwart his 2020 campaign. 

7 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Don't forget the Falklands. Remember Thatcher sank the 7,069-ton armoured cruiser General Belgrano on 2 May 1982 during the Falklands War by the Royal Navy submarine Conqueror with the loss of 323 lives. Losses from General Belgrano totalled just over half of Argentine military deaths in the UK war with Argentina to preserve these islands.

They’ll be changing their name to the Malvinas soon. 

Brexit started off as this great adventure to put Great Britain back on the world stage .... but instead it’s going to leave it broken up and diminished.

But Brexiteer bravado will still be going strong ... there’s nothing like a bit of revisionist history to bolster the bruised ego.

55 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

Would this have had anything to do with the Unions running the country in those days by any chance ? Ramapant inflation, crazy wage rises that we couldn't afford, Commies in the car manufacturing 

You say we will have this again if we leave the EU?

We joined the EEC, not the Federal EU

We will go back to the 70s if we get labour in power, but hey, isn't that what remainers want

Scotland can go do one if it so wishes, who will miss it, Will the EU let it join ? Can it pay its bills on the declining oil revenues, keep free universities, free prescriptions, etc, etc

Scotland will be more than happy to do one, as will Northern Ireland ... possibly before Scotland. And Scotland will attract enormous amounts of internal investment from countries looking for a foothold in the EU market, and the financial services industry in Edinburgh will also receive a boost. Meanwhile Little England will  be negotiating trade relations with Mesopotamia and the Congo. 

2 hours ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

 

It stated NOTHING about the terms of leaving simply because it was spelled out as being a binary choice, leave or remain. In reality that simple binary choice wouldn't have seemed unattainable if the right person/people were in place to negotiatiate and run the operation from the off. Instead what we had was Maybot, Ollie Robbins and a littany of other remain MPs who back-tracked, u-turned, capitulated from the start, constantly lied / reneged and did their utmost to frustrate the public's decision.

 

'Setting out the conditions for a future poll, he said he would seek a "mandate" for a renegotiation and a referendum in the next Conservative election manifesto.

"And when we have negotiated that new settlement, we will give the British people a referendum with a very simple in-or-out choice to stay in the EU on these new terms; or come out altogether. It will be an in/out referendum."

But he said holding such a referendum now would be a "false choice" because Europe was set to change following the eurozone crisis and it would be "wrong to ask people whether to stay or go before we have had a chance to put the relationship right".

Mr Cameron said he understood "the appeal" of Britain going it alone and he was sure the UK would survive outside the EU. But, he said, the UK must think "very carefully" about the implications of withdrawal for its prosperity and role on the international stage.

"If we left the European Union, it would be a one-way ticket, not a return," he added.'  

 

???? We all know how this worked out.

 

 

 

'and as they failed to win a majority they didn’t get a full mandate for that manifesto' --

 

'The 2015 United Kingdom general election was held on 7 May 2015 to elect 650 members to the House of Commons. It was the first general election at the end of a fixed-term Parliament. Local elections took place in most areas on the same day. Polls and commentators had predicted the outcome would be too close to call and would result in a second hung parliament similar to the 2010 election. Opinion polls were eventually proven to have underestimated the Conservative vote as the party unexpectedly won an outright majority, which bore resemblance to its victory at the 1992 general election. Having governed in coalition with the Liberal Democrats since 2010, the Conservatives won 330 seats and 36.9% of the vote, this time winning a working majority of twelve seats.'

 

'May delivered a Brexit deal. We would be out of the EU if that deal had been approved' - now that IS hilarious! Thanks for brightening up my day. ???? 

 

 

 

You post more words than a Tolstoy novel? There were no Leave politicians campaigning for a leave on WTO terms with no transition? Not one of them. People voted based on promises made .... Daniel Hannan’s comment about “not leaving the single market” was simply one of many. So no one voted leave expecting that outcome ... an outcome that simply has no mandate. May’s deal takes the UK out of the EU ... more than Daniel Hannan’s Brexit promise. Even Farage is quoted extolling the economic success of Norway outside of the EU. Again, May’s deal goes further than Norway. 

If Norway are outside the EU, then so is May’s deal. And that’s leave.

if you favour no deal, WTO, and no transition ... you need a second referendum and a mandate for it. 

12 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

It's certainly not hilarious, as funny as anti-democratic types might find it. I have to wonder, if the tables were turned just how loud and widely heard the howls of 'cheaters' and 'fascists' would ring out?

 

It was after all, an exclusive, very unusual 'once in a generation' decision that was supposedly given to the people to decide, with the government promising (through verbal / written attestation many many times over) to implement the public's decision. The ensuing casuistry would be awful enough based on this fact alone, that we had a GE win for the Tories on the Brexit ticket to ensure it's actioning AND the vote within the HoP to invoke article 50 only adds insult to injury. It is by far the biggest blemish on our democracy and reputation in recent times. It's simply a disgrace - to anyone who cares about such fundamental things as this, anyway.

 

 

The decision to leave stated nothing about the terms of leaving, that was a decision that was to be decided by parliament. The Tories talk about their manifesto promise ... but seldom mention that the promise included leaving with a deal ... and as they failed to win a majority they didn’t get a full mandate for that manifesto. May delivered a Brexit deal. We would be out of the EU if that deal had been approved. It was rejected by Brexiteers and Remainers.