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4 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

 

 

Please give me a full itenery of all the real costs that will be paid by others.

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Just start with the businesses that will fail, and the jobs that will be lost, and the price increases as a result of a trashed currency ... bear in mind we have not left the EU yet, and to do so on a no deal basis would be economically tragic. But you don’t have a job to lose, do you Teddy? 

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Spain have already stated that UK retirees will still be able to live in Spain and that nothing will change in that respect and it remains to be seen what will happen with other Countries .

   Maybe Brits wont be able to go to France to pick grapes in the summer , but on the other hand , there will not be millions , literally , no exaggeration , millions of Europeans coming to live and work in the UK and it will give them better opportunities to work in the UK .

   UK Companies will no longer be able to exploit Eastern Europeans by paying them minimum wage 

It warms my heart that you voted Brexit because you care about the plight of Eastern European’s? Pull the other one Max. The ones that come here mostly work in jobs that people in the UK don’t want to do anymore, don’t want to do at any price. They pay tax and spend some money here but earn far more than they would in their home countries ... a win win for the UK and for them. No one in the UK wants to work in the fields, so they won’t be doing it, the business will just go to other countries. If people come here and contribute they are welcome.

10 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

1..project fear part 2 re destroy the country economically..I do not think so.

2. Just apply for a visa..easy peasy re denying freedom of movement.

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You don’t believe it will hit your pocket, but you don’t care a jot if it hits others ... 

You will get zero benefit from Brexit, other than a temporary psychological kick, like the joy of Celtic winning the treble, but that soon fades. The very real costs will be paid by others.

11 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

I remember Europeans working in the UK before FoM - and Brits working in Europe.

Of course you do, but under much more restrictions than currently. It’s not equivalent. It won’t be as easy to just go to a country and settle there, and access facilities like healthcare. 

29 minutes ago, sanemax said:

It remains to be seen what effect it will have on the UK economy  and you and your Children can still go to Europe , just that you may or may not have to get a visa in the future 

All of the hassle free and unrestricted access you have had to 27 EU countries for the productive part of your life will soon be denied the young people of the UK, thanks to your vote. The right to live, work and study ... having that option is a big plus for people, particularly those that would like to retire to Spain, France, etc. It’s not about “holidays” ... it goes much deeper than that.

So you take away those benefits and in return you saddle them with an economy with much reduced potential, poor relations with our neighbours, a crashed out currency, and a trade situation that has to begin from scratch. The heavy burden will fall on the most productive. I guess you are retired Max, so you will not be participating in the rebuilding efforts? When it doesn’t hit your pocket, just others, it’s much easier to vote for.

31 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Having said this, I'm very happy to see the current political construct fall to pieces - as they clearly don't care about anyone other than themselves.

Who are “they”? When political constructs fall to pieces what makes you so confident that the replacement will be better? People like Farage and Banks talk a great deal about democracy but spend a lot of time praising those with a dictatorial bent, like Putin and Trump. Indeed, Banks likes them so much he regularly meets with former soviet intelligence officers (who are never “former”). Where did that £8m come from? We need to judge them not by what they say, but by the company they keep.

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Who funds who ?

Everyone in England says that we fund Scotland

Debatable point given the amount of North Sea oil revenue used to Fund Mrs Thatchers dole queues. Contrast Scotland to Norway, the wealthiest of Europeans with a massive sovereign wealth fund.

The point was that England attracted massive investment from foreign entities looking to set up in the EU ... Japan being one example. I expect the Chinese to be the next big investors. That will become a trickle after Brexit. So Edinburgh will get a boost from financial services and the central belt will get a boost from inward investment that would normally have been England bound.

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Yes, I do recall reading that more English people wanted Scottish independence than Scottish people did .

Allow English people to vote next time, and you will definitely get a Yes result 

Fine by me. All of that investment that used to be England bound will find its way North. Your loss.

Just now, Jip99 said:

 

 

I think you have missed the point and simply stated what we already know.

 

The point, as I see it, is that Sturgeon whines about strings being pulled by Westminster only to want them being pulled by the EU.

 

Different prison IMO.

 

Not to say I am against Scotland leaving the UK if that is what the majority of the population want.

Sturgeon’s argument is that it is better to be in large alliances and groupings of countries with common interests. England wants to turn its back on that.

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Who was it that told that lie ?

Was it someone from here again ?

That was the implied reason for “setting our own trade deals” ... sounds good but doesn’t stand up to closer scrutiny. Sadly, our deals with Canada and Japan will not be as good as the EU’s deal, and our US trade deal under Donald Trump will be one in which he can portray us as “losers”.

28 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Scotland , just like England is part of the U.K. 

If you were from the UK , you would know that 

If England wanted English Independence , we would also have to ask the UK Government 

Please do Max ... I’m sick of the hardly disguised bigotry ... but London, Cambridge, Oxford and Manchester can be part of the New Caledonia. 

1 hour ago, aright said:

Yes I have never understood the logic that Scotland wants to be independent of the UK then to join the EU.

The EU is obviously for independent nations who want to cede their independence to a bigger, undemocratic entity.

There has to be a logic deficit in there somewhere. 

Like Singapore and Vietnam are independent but also in ASEAN. A club that you join, and you give up some things in return for benefits. 

The big big lie was that everything that the UK do is determined by the EU ... yet laws, tax, currency, interest rates, budgets, military ... are determined by the UK? And the second big lie was that you have to leave the EU to trade with other countries ... even though countries like Italy and Germany do enormous business in places like China? And Scottish whisky is sold in every country in the world, even Saudi Arabia (albeit black market), despite being an EU member.

1 hour ago, Basil B said:

Your making things up, where does it say once in a lifetime???

 

Maybe your posts should start with: "Once upon a time...."

What you are witnessing in these comments is fear! Visceral fear of a second referendum that will kill the Brexit unicorn.

A final say on Brexit is looking more and more inevitable ... expect stockpiling of toilet roll amongst the Brexiteer posters on these threads.

41 minutes ago, Thairealist said:

 

 In the North, Labour voters have moved over to the Brexit party. A good example the northeast, including Sunderland, where the media establishment has failed to scare the electorate, by trying to suggest that Nissen may close there factory due to Brexit. Yet in reality an area that is traditionally staunch Labour, elected 2 Brexit Mep out of the 3 Mep’s for that area.

 In Yorkshire and humberside, Briexit won 3 of the 6 seats. Gaining 36% of the overall vote, this in spite of many voters refusing to vote stating “ Why should we vote, when our vote is disregarded.

  Meanwhile in London with its large % of Eu citizens, many of whome registered to vote in the U.K. the anti Brexit parties did in fact receive many votes.

In a second referendum the Remain vote will be stronger than the “no dealers” ... we won’t have long to wait ... but I can’t see this issue resolving itself now without another vote. 

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Who exactly; for the benefit of the board?

The UK electorate. Wasn’t it obvious?

Just now, sanemax said:

Yes, the vote went in favour of leave .

The "another referendum about "deal or no deal " is just a cunning plan by remainers to overturn to vote .

  Looking for an excuse to overturn the referendum vote

If, as is constantly repeated on here by Brexiteers, it would be an even higher vote for the Brexit support, then I don't quite understand why you also believe that it is a ruse to overturn the result?

That would only be true if you believed that Brexit would lose. And if you believe that then it follows that you also believe that "the will of the people" of the UK is Remain? And if that is true then we really should have another vote.

Just now, sanemax said:

Thats too close to call , and you didnt get a majority .

You would need at least 50 %

40.4 % isnt enough votes

59.6 %  didnt vote remain 

 

If I recall Max you also said we would be out of the EU on 29 March 2019?

I think we are heading for another vote on Brexit, whether before or after a General Election, I'm not sure ... but I can't see this Brexit mess resolving itself without one. And if I'm right I don't think that Nigel Farage will be celebrating at the end of it. 

Just my opinion of course. And we'll soon find out if I'm right.

Someone told him that excrement on the walls acted as a mosquito repellent. Dirty boy!

1 minute ago, david555 said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-forex/euro-holds-firm-after-eu-vote-shows-pro-europe-parties-cling-to-majority-idUSKCN1SX01K

Euro holds firm after EU vote shows pro-Europe parties cling to majority

TOKYO (Reuters) - The euro held firm in early Monday trade after pro-European Union parties withstood more fragmentation than before to hold on to two-thirds of seats in the EU parliament elections, limiting gains in nationalist opponents.

 

(Must still congratulate our savior Farage ( like Moses taking his people out of Egypt slavery ) ,to take that Brexit to an end finally ...' but it seems he can not harm our E.U. by reading how the E.U. cards are dealt now...  , but he created a promise to big havoc in U.K. politic system (if that was already not a big messing up already …) 

I suspect that Farage will, at the end of the day, end up with nothing. He'll be the guy that split the Tory vote and ushered in Corbyn. Corbyn will have to change his stance ... so Labour will become, like the Lib Dems, the second referendum party.

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why would anyone that has won something want to have another go at it winning again, does that make any sense to you. 

It looks to me that you simply won't have a choice ... the problem is that you didn't win a referendum for "no deal", as no one campaigned for that, only leave, and they are not the same thing. So you won't be allowed to hijack the referendum result and force that outcome through ... without a vote. 

Just now, Basil B said:

Brexit supporters have known that for a long time, not noticed all the regular brexiteers "second referendum, not over my dead body" posts???

And the "excuses" for not having one ... often said that all political careers end in failure ... next up Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.

29 minutes ago, my friend I said:

I do my own testing for my pastime. It's been difficult for some Cambodian exporters to pass the test needed for export because they don't poison their product.

 

Vietnam is ok surprisingly considering what the warmongers did to it tho there are some areas that are destroyed for ever. The highlands around Dalat are very clean. There was an arrangement by both sides not to fight in that area. Excellent and different produce up there.

 

Cambodia's air is ok. The bad air from the burning season in Thailand comes from neighbouring countries Burma and Laos. I used to live in Chiang Rai which is unliveable for about 4 months but getting longer every season.

The bad air in Thailand comes from neighbours? That's straight out of Thai Tourism propaganda ... and it is simply not true, as anyone who has flown into Chiang Mai or Chaing Rai during burning season will testify.

Tell the truth about Thailand.