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1 hour ago, RickBradford said:

This is just standard puppet-babble: "Only stupid people, and old people, voted for Brexit."

 

It's not even your own thought, just something that you were told. It's so unoriginal and uninteresting.

And true. Every time I watch a member of the public who voted for Brexit quizzed on why they did so I seldom hear a rational argument ... it's mostly about immigration, or some rubbish they've read in the Daily Mail ... and it is overwhelmingly old people and those that never excelled academically. So mostly stupid and old people voted for Brexit. The more clever one's did so for their own personal benefit ... the Rees Moggs and Johnsons of this world. The clever ones were more self-serving.

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

As far as I'm concerned..it was a BRITISH VOTE.
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Although I'm still a proud Glasweigian..I have never thought of myself as scottish..
I am a UNIONIST AND A ROYALIST AND WILL BE TILL MY DYING DAY!!
I also loath the snp with a vengence..BIG TIME.

 

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NO SURRENDER!!!!!!!!!

If we end up with a no deal fiasco you’ll be looking for a new home ... in England. 

I didnt support Scottish independence, I thought Scotland worked well within the UK and the EU, the best of both worlds. But I don’t like where Brexit takes us ... it’s an isolationist and nationalistic project, with blaming others at it’s root. In this case EU migrants. If we could just get rid of them then everything would be great? A big lie, but it found enough dafties in England and Wales to get it over the line. I don’t want any part of it ... and it’s unintended consequences will be the break up of the UK. Scotland will go, and that process will be a big mess. And Northern Ireland will do likewise, no doubt causing a great deal of trouble along the way.

And for what? The people who want this will see no benefit from it, many will be surprised at the cost. The biggest burden will be placed on the backs of those that don’t want it. And those that want it are dying out, with each year passing. Brexit is the dumbest decision ever taken by a UK electorate. 

15 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

How convenient.

 

When reality collides with your theories, it's always reality that has to give way, isn't it?

A very good explanation of Brexit ... reality clashing with theory.

3 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Unluckily for your theory, Wales voted to leave the EU.

English lite, they don't count.

water, mostly.

3 hours ago, justin case said:

I don't drink or do drugs or whatever, but I start to understand why shit like this happens, even when they kill the whole in-law family... if you read my posts, you would have a clue to my statement... not that I am going to do crazy shit like that, I don't want to become this dude's cell buddy buddy, EVER.

It would save you on divorce fees, just saying.

5 hours ago, malagateddy said:

BRITISH..NOT ENGLISH!!!

 

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No Teddy, not British ... 60% plus of your home country voted to Remain ... as did 56% in Northern Ireland. This was an English issue.

2 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Brilliant..brilliant..just hope thr judge is not knobled by the scummy remaining powers that be
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Don’t get your hopes up Teddy, it will only end in tears.

Brexiteers have gone from super confident to desperate. 

3 hours ago, Forethat said:

I've just been informed that Robin Tilbrook is serving the legal papers required to bring a case against the Government for illegally extending Article 50 with the EU, whilst by-passing Parl Process and ignoring a High Court ruling (Miller).

 

If, I say IF, the judge tomorrow morning rules that Theresa May illegally signed the extension agreement we have left the European Union. 

 

Do the government not have lawyers? Come back to us all tomorrow and explain why it failed ... again?

Flying another desperate kite. You’re a glutton for punishment.

What’s the next step ... the Queen stepping in?

1 minute ago, nontabury said:

 

And I have mine:- 

 

Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία dēmokratía, literally "Rule by 'People'") is a system of government where the citizens exercise power by voting.

 

You will see that it emphasizes “ Rule by the People” 

 

 

It doesn’t say you vote and then you never vote again ... I like the David Davis quote about democracy ... that you don’t have one if you are unable to change your mind. 

3 hours ago, RickBradford said:

You seem unable to grasp the first thing about democracy.

 

Then-PM Cameron said : "This is a decision that lasts for life. We make this decision and it is probably going to be the only time in our generation when we make this decision."

 

I'm probably wasting my time trying to explain this to you, but what Cameron meant was this: In a democracy, you take a decision, a snapshot of public opinion, as it were. You then implement that decision. That is the key point.

 

When - and only when - that decision has been fully implemented, do you have the right to reconsider. 

 

The British people voted to leave the EU; that decision needs to be fully implemented, not to be rerun because a whole bunch of people who couldn't be bothered to vote in 2016 are now complaining because they lost.

Cameron said it, but Parliament seems incapable of delivering it. So it has to go back to the people.

It’s not the harm to democracy that you are afraid of, it’s the result that democratic vote will produce. And if there is no support for Brexit in 2019, we’d be idiots to go through with it. What you are terrified of is what the vote will tell you about the so-called will of the people.

1 minute ago, RickBradford said:

I repeat: you have a great deal - almost everything, in fact - to learn about democracy.

 

It is the height of silliness to suggest that people who voted, but have since passed away, are irrelevant, but that people who "didn't bother voting but wish they had" are somehow relevant.

 

If you can't grasp that, then there's no hope at all.

You seem unable to grasp that democracy did not stop on June 2016, it is an ongoing process, of people comparing promises to what is being delivered, and having their voice heard in subsequent votes if they don't believe those promises are being kept. That is where we are now.  If parliament cannot fix it, the only democratic act left is to return the question to the people. 

49 minutes ago, aright said:

Calls for a people's vote come mainly from Remainers who see it as an opportunity to stop Brexit.

It's an exercise in pantomime democracy.

And calls to not have one come from Brexiteers who spout "will of the people" in full knowledge that their will has changed. They fear that democracy that they spout about.

9 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

May the farce be with you.

It is a farce, and has been so from day one.

2 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

What an extraordinary statement.

 

You sure have a lot to learn about democracy, among many other things.

The dead don't count. We govern for the living. And I feel no obligation to impose economic damage on the country to follow the wishes of someone who is no longer here. Almost three years have passed ... and the so-called "will of the people" now needs to be tested in the light of what is now known. And "the people" will include those that are now eligible to vote and those that didn't bother voting but wish they had. 

3 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

That's a breathtakingly silly comment. 

 

Are you suggesting that we should ignore their votes now that they're dead?

Yes. They are irrelevant. 

2 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Do you think security forces cannot " break into "encrypted messages????

 

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No, they can't ... why do you think Edward Snowden remained undetected for so long? There is software that cannot be "cracked" by GCHQ and the rest. Someone who knows what they are doing can communicate undetected. 

3 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Indeed.

 

That's what the 17.4 million people who voted for Brexit have been requesting for the past 2 years. Just cease, let the clock run down, leave the EU on WTO terms and just "get on with it."

 

Unfortunately, with around 80% of MPs being Remainers, that is proving an elusive goal.

If that's what 17.4 million wanted, who during the leave campaign promised them that result? The fact is that no leave politician campaigned for that ... not one. All of them promised leaving with a deal and a transition ... and if Johnson and Gove now disagree on what constitutes leave, how can you make such a statement about 17.4 million people (some of whom are now dead)?

That is the reason why the country is in this mess, an inability to define what constitutes leave. Norway is not in the EU, neither is Turkey ... so leave could mean that?

24 minutes ago, Forethat said:

It'd be a lot easier if you just answered the question. I'll put them to you again:

1. Did they get the instruments in place?

2. If they didn't, did we remain legally and in a constitutional manner?

 

I take it your lack of ability to provide an answer means you're not interested in (or lack the ability to acknowledge) the legal and constitutional situation I highlighted. I am.

The statutory instruments were a mere formality, you attempted to suggest that there was still hope for a 29th March exit ... a pointless endeavour. 

A "no deal" exit will not happen ... not on the 29th March, not on 12th April ... it's either an agreed Brexit (perhaps May's) or a long extension culminating in a General Election and/or second referendum.

3 hours ago, Forethat said:

Reading comprehension is clearly not one of your skills.

If I'm correct - and I am - what I said was that UK would not be able to leave legally in a constitutional manner without the statutory instruments required to amend the law. 

So the question you should ask yourself is:

1. Did they get the instruments in place?

2. If they didn't, did we remain legally and in a constitutional manner

 

I'll try to explain again: Just because speeding is illegal doesn't mean it never happens. I appreciate that this is difficult for you to understand, but trust me on this.

 

"... because we leave on the March 29th whether leavers like it or not"

The statutory instrument was a formality, there was never any question that it would go through ... so your post was completely nonsensical. We were never leaving on March 29th, something that you failed to grasp.

I invited you to come back to us all and explain why you were wrong ... it seems that I was right.

3 hours ago, aright said:

 

I'm a little confused. Can you clarify whether holding a vote on the exact same thing over and over again until the "correct" result is obtained is (1) perfectly reasonable and fine, or is (2) a monstrous affront to democracy and wholly unacceptable?

 

A people's vote is the solution to this Brexit fiasco. If Theresa May can have three votes, so can the people.

2 hours ago, Forethat said:

Exactly. And WHO decides when we leave? UK or EU?

I was wondering when you would show up. We are now past 11pm on 29 March 2019, and we are still in the EU?

You said you had skills, legal interpration skills, and silly old me just couldn’t get my head round why not leaving on that date was a legal impossibility? 

Seems that you have exaggerated and embellished your CV? Overconfidence seems to be a Brexiteer trait.