Hanaguma

Just saw a news report that at least 3, and possibly 4, Iranian government aircraft have recently touched down in Oman. This includes the Iranian President's official plane, their equivalent of Air Force One. What could be going on? https://www.twz.com/news-features/gaggle-of-iranian-government-aircraft-make-mysterious-dash-to-oman

That's not necessarily a bad thing. They are perhaps learning to "take the L" with a modicum of grace and dignity. Plus, there are plenty of other topics to rant on about their obsession with the Bad Orange Man!

I agree to an extent. Getting rid of the violent thugs is important. But so is getting rid of all illegal aliens. Americans voted for the latter. They still support the latter. Immigration laws do not have a "violent crime!" exception. Getting rid of 70 or 80 people who were using stolen or forged IDs, as well as the ring of criminals who provided them, is a great step.

It's delicate. A regime toppled from the outside rarely works out well. But, IF the coditions for the people to do it themselves are created, then positive results may occur. That is why the old Assahola himself hasn't been taken out yet. Killing the leader, even an unpopular one, can have unintended consequences.

I respect Dave Smith. He is a smart guy and speaks well. I can agree or disagree with his stances on particular issues, but he is wrong on this one. Which is fine, the Republican Party is a big tent, and does not demand doctrinaire lockstep agreement with every policy. There is room for dissent and disagreement.

Stealing personal information and/or using a false ID to obtain employment or government benefits is a FELONY. Driving without a license or insurance are both crimes as well. So nice try to downplay the seriousness of the situation.

Yes. And hopefully the people arrested in the raid will be punished for their crimes. Fair enough?

...and if illegals were removed, wages would rise and people could get by on one job. How wonderful does that sound?

But in reality, a majority of Americans want ALL illigal immigrants deported. Of course the violent ones get priority, but that does not mean that the others get ignored. This place seems to be a hotbed of activity- more than half the workers were illegal. This is far above the national average. Or should ICE just ignore this?

Looks like a lot of identity theft was going on. It is one of the ways that people avoid E-Verify- they use fake and/or stolen personal information like Social Security numbers. And that is.... a crime. And a violation of federal law. If they are driving they are driving illegallly, possibly uninsured, and definitely a hazard to others. If they are knowingly harboring an illegal alien, that is a crime too.

Me too. I am amazed at how so many people on this forum have such a low opinion of American workers. Also a low opinion of migrants, assuming that the only thing they can do is the scut jobs that "real" Americans are too good for.

There are millions of American citizens who speak Spanish. Or do you think they are all "wetbacks"? Plus, as I said, at the least they will be legal residents, which is the same thing as far as the labour market is concerned.

Chances are they knew the conditions prior to applying- most jobs are transparent about that. And if not, then the place has to start paying its workers better. What's wrong with that? I thought the point was to have well-paying jobs for the good of the economy, not virtual indentured servitude....

What makes you think they aren't American, or at the least legal residents? That is a tinge racist, don't you think? In general, about a quarter of the workforce in meat packing are illegals. This particular plant had an overabundance, perhaps that is why it was picked for attention by ICE.

Of course. Lots of juicy details were left out. Like separating legal from illegal residents, discussing how the E-Verify system is such a mess, etc. But the bottom line is that the jobs will be filled. As will virtually any job done by an illegal immigrant.

Nah, he wants to watch the USAF bomb the sh!t out of the Mad Mullahs live, with his own popcorn, on a big screen TV. Anyway, what is Vlad doing at the G7 anyway? Going to be panhandling as usual, wearing his ratty green t-shirt?

According to NBC news, there was a major ICE raid at a meat packing plant in Omaha Nebraska. About half the workers were found to be in the US illegally, using forged or stolen documents like SSN numbers, etc. All were taken into custody. And then? Within a day, the place was FULL of people applying for jobs. It is a simple fact that a shortage of labour is good for workers. They can get better pay, better conditions, etc. And there are enough legal residents in the US to do what needs doing. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/omaha-immigration-workplace-raid-aftermath-rcna212931

Thank you for proving my point. Americans WILL do this kind of honest work, as your statistics suggest.

"It appears..." means nothing. The fact is that Americans ALREADY work in factories, work shifts, work on farms. In ALL of those jobs, the majority of workers are American and legal residents. You have a very low opinion of Americans if you think they are not willing to work hard for an honest paycheque. And are racist if you think the solution is perpetually importing "migrants" to do the scut work.

Labour costs for food/vegetables are generally about 30% of the cost of production. So, about 15% of the cost of retail- production cost plus transport etc. Imagine labour costs increase by half as a result of paying people more. That would mean about an 8% hike in the price of food that is labour intensive. Hardly "a lot more". And that only on food items that are being producedpartially by illegal migrant labour.

Of course, there is no problem with that. IMHO people will pay more for their goods, if that is the price of a safer country. Plus, it is rather mean to keep a permanent underclass of low paid illegal workers, just to keep prices down. Are you so heartless?

Thank you for not responding to my post. Anyway, your link said the first thing that prevents Americans from doing those jobs is the salary. And guess what causes salaries to be low? The presence of illegal workers who are willing to work at depressed wages. Remove them from the labour pool and employers will be forced to pay higher wages to attract legal residents and citizens. What is wrong with that? American workers get better pay, illegals get shipped out. Win/win.

And you would know this.... how exactly? There is no such thing as a "job that Americans won't do". That is a racist trope that needs to be discarded. Americans do EVERY job in America. There is no job in America that is majority illegal immigrant.

If only.... A shooting was reported at the No Kings Rally in SLC. Fortunately, the victim survived and the police have someone in custody.

Personally, I don't care his politics and motivations. Just hope the surviving victims recover fully, and if he is indeed the criminal, a short walk to a hangman's noose for him. Perhaps unrelated news, a shooting was reported at the No Kings rally in Salt Lake City.