Caps

Well D Day is upon us so let us see if the masses are prepared to keep forging forward with hope, desire and courage to forge a better future for Europe with the UK playing a key leading role or if we should turn our backs and run away to concentrate on rebuilding some mythical master race.

What is mythical about wanting to govern yourself and be self reliant on your own country. Nothing about the master race. I would not want you in my trench and I am sure my forefathers wouldn't either. Voting out is nothing to do with superiority just taking control of ones identity.

Sorry if i am not British enough for you but i subscribe to a more inclusive, open cultural ideal.

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There is nothing cultural about some group of unelected people slowly trying to take over you life and country

I have used Flickr for a long time and I have found it works well on this site and on motorcycle forums I use and 1TB of free space is great

I am flying with Nok Scoot from Don Mueang to Singapore and I did not book my seats on line. Does it make any difference? I am assuming that I can get my seats as normal when I go to the airport to check in? Or do I need to book them on line first?

Cheers

Caps

So what about - Point 3 of article 42 of section 2 " Provisions on the common security and military capabilities available to the Union"

Can't see anything about conscription there though it does mention a couple of times the unanimous agreement of the European Council.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-5-general-provisions-on-the-unions-external-action-and-specific-provisions/chapter-2-specific-provisions-on-the-common-foreign-and-security-policy/section-2-provisions-on-the-common-security-and-defence-policy/129-article-42.html

Point 7

7. If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States.

​What a load of drivel.

Most of the countries are in NATO and what did they do when Russia wanted a piece of the Ukraine? Sh!te themselves, and carried out sanctions...well gee whiz....I bet Putin has never laughed so much. I can not see the EU Army doing any different because they Do Not have any backbone

Ukraine is neither in NATO or the EU.

Yes I totally agree but the deal was that if the Ukraine did not build up its Nuclear capability then NATO would look after it, also....

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. The memorandum reads as follows:^[7]

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

• Dialogue and cooperation started after the end of the Cold War, when newly independent Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council (1991) and the Partnership for Peace programme (1994).
• Relations were strengthened with the signing of the 1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, which established the NATO-Ukraine Commission (NUC) to take cooperation forward.
• Cooperation has deepened over time and is mutually beneficial with Ukraine being the only partner to have contributed actively to all NATO-led operations and missions.
• Priority is given to support for comprehensive reform in the security and defence sector, which is vital for Ukraine’s democratic development and for strengthening its ability to defend itself.
• In response to the Russia-Ukraine conflict, NATO has reinforced its support for capability development and capacity building in Ukraine.

Well spotted that its not in the EU... I didn't say that...I said 'Most of the countries are in NATO'....I will spell it out for you...I meant most of the EU countries so if they have no backbone in NATO they won't have any in an EU Army

Can't really see the relevance here to Brexit apart from the Ukrainian parliament voted to reject NATO in 2010 but since 2013/14 have been desperate to get back involved again - hopefully not an analogy for the UK.

It was about the Lisbon treaty, EU army, again you are not telling me now't I don't know

So nothing to do with Ukraine then. Forgive me but i cannot really understand what you point is specific to the Lisbon Treaty.

If you can't see the point, I haven't got the time, patience or be bothered to explain it to you and let's face it you kept it going by making rather obvious stupid replies

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So what about - Point 3 of article 42 of section 2 " Provisions on the common security and military capabilities available to the Union"

Can't see anything about conscription there though it does mention a couple of times the unanimous agreement of the European Council.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-5-general-provisions-on-the-unions-external-action-and-specific-provisions/chapter-2-specific-provisions-on-the-common-foreign-and-security-policy/section-2-provisions-on-the-common-security-and-defence-policy/129-article-42.html

Point 7

7. If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States.

​What a load of drivel.

Most of the countries are in NATO and what did they do when Russia wanted a piece of the Ukraine? Sh!te themselves, and carried out sanctions...well gee whiz....I bet Putin has never laughed so much. I can not see the EU Army doing any different because they Do Not have any backbone

Ukraine is neither in NATO or the EU.

Yes I totally agree but the deal was that if the Ukraine did not build up its Nuclear capability then NATO would look after it, also....

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. The memorandum reads as follows:^[7]

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

• Dialogue and cooperation started after the end of the Cold War, when newly independent Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council (1991) and the Partnership for Peace programme (1994).
• Relations were strengthened with the signing of the 1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, which established the NATO-Ukraine Commission (NUC) to take cooperation forward.
• Cooperation has deepened over time and is mutually beneficial with Ukraine being the only partner to have contributed actively to all NATO-led operations and missions.
• Priority is given to support for comprehensive reform in the security and defence sector, which is vital for Ukraine’s democratic development and for strengthening its ability to defend itself.
• In response to the Russia-Ukraine conflict, NATO has reinforced its support for capability development and capacity building in Ukraine.

Well spotted that its not in the EU... I didn't say that...I said 'Most of the countries are in NATO'....I will spell it out for you...I meant most of the EU countries so if they have no backbone in NATO they won't have any in an EU Army

Can't really see the relevance here to Brexit apart from the Ukrainian parliament voted to reject NATO in 2010 but since 2013/14 have been desperate to get back involved again - hopefully not an analogy for the UK.

It was about the Lisbon treaty, EU army, again you are not telling me now't I don't know

...and some people/countries want them in the EU!

Singapore is designed to make you part with your money and doesn't exactly give you value in return.

The place is hurting badly, from an economic POV, so they will welcome your custom even more.

Universal Studios and are overpriced and the queues for the rides will waste a whole day. Also be wary of the so called iconic things you MUST do…they ail drain you of all your cash in return for scant enjoyment.

Things like having a drink on the top of Marina Bay Sands at $25 a pop….with snotty service.

Simple things are best in Singapore.

Do:

1. Check out hawker centre food…Newton, Maxwell etc.

2. Visit at least one seafood restaurant in the east coast park.

3. Singapore Zoo is the best Ive ever seen

4. Gardens by the Bay as someone else said

5. No one shops at Orchard Road any more….it's way overpriced and all the overcharging goes to cover their insane rental charges.

Universal Singapore is a little smaller than the one at Orlando but still done very well. If your partner is Thai and has never seen anything except Thai attractions she will be blown away. Unlike others here on TV, I think the rides are great. I recommend Revenge of the Mummy, Madagascar A Crate Adventure, Transformers, and for cute but well done Sesame Street Spaghetti Space Chase. My Thai gf and I went this last Christmas Day and it was packed but had a great time. I did however get the VIP pass which was expensive but we didn't wait in any lines and saw everything. If however you go on a week day in July the lines should not be too long but it will be hot and perhaps it will rain. Get there at opening and hit the rides I spoke of first while normal lines and not too long.

I also recommend going to the top of the Marina Sands and seeing the light show and the city at night. The Gardens by the Bay which others have spoke about and is near the Marina Sands is also fantastic and a must see. Combine both the Garden and the Sands in one evening. Enjoy your stay but expect to drop a few dollars, it's expensive compared to Thailand.

Thank you

So what about - Point 3 of article 42 of section 2 " Provisions on the common security and military capabilities available to the Union"

Can't see anything about conscription there though it does mention a couple of times the unanimous agreement of the European Council.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-5-general-provisions-on-the-unions-external-action-and-specific-provisions/chapter-2-specific-provisions-on-the-common-foreign-and-security-policy/section-2-provisions-on-the-common-security-and-defence-policy/129-article-42.html

Point 7

7. If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States.

​What a load of drivel.

Most of the countries are in NATO and what did they do when Russia wanted a piece of the Ukraine? Sh!te themselves, and carried out sanctions...well gee whiz....I bet Putin has never laughed so much. I can not see the EU Army doing any different because they Do Not have any backbone

Ukraine is neither in NATO or the EU.

Yes I totally agree but the deal was that if the Ukraine did not build up its Nuclear capability then NATO would look after it, also....

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. The memorandum reads as follows:^[7]

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

• Dialogue and cooperation started after the end of the Cold War, when newly independent Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council (1991) and the Partnership for Peace programme (1994).
• Relations were strengthened with the signing of the 1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, which established the NATO-Ukraine Commission (NUC) to take cooperation forward.
• Cooperation has deepened over time and is mutually beneficial with Ukraine being the only partner to have contributed actively to all NATO-led operations and missions.
• Priority is given to support for comprehensive reform in the security and defence sector, which is vital for Ukraine’s democratic development and for strengthening its ability to defend itself.
• In response to the Russia-Ukraine conflict, NATO has reinforced its support for capability development and capacity building in Ukraine.

Well spotted that its not in the EU... I didn't say that...I said 'Most of the countries are in NATO'....I will spell it out for you...I meant most of the EU countries so if they have no backbone in NATO they won't have any in an EU Army

Stay there with your bike, that scenery is stunning..your going to miss it

Yes it was, but not the UK, Slovenia on my 8 week Balkans Trip just before Christmas 2015

The airport out of this horrible,unfriendly,overpriced dump?

Thanks for unbelievable words of wisdom...

We should not import workers from E Europe to do low skilled work. The people most likely to be on benefits are not indigenous Brits.

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Can we look back a generation or 2 & see who we dragged over to clean the toilets & drive the buses or (do any of the over jobs that were "below us Brits").

Problem we have now adays is there are too many lazy chavs complainjng about the price of Ciggies, Special Brew & Sky Tv & it's all the "Foreigners" fault.

Totally agree with you but that is the fault of the government for giving to much out in Benefits to lazy useless fat slobs smoking and drinking themselves in to an early grave. They should stop it all together and only give out benefits in the form of wage boosters not freebies...mind you if some of them did a days work they would keel over ....problem solved!

Vote Leave’s ‘Migrant Myth’ – why migration is good for the UK’s economy

http://ukinvestormagazine.co.uk/vote-leaves-migrant-myth-migration-good-uks-economy/

Yes some Migration is good for the Country but being able to control it is even better. You think we should be told how many people we take rather than decide for ourselves? I know migration from outside the EU is larger...but that a UK Government problem and if not dealt with correctly we can remove them and get someone who will. The same can not be said of the EU

There is nothing wrong with the Points system that Canada and Australia use...they still have Migrants but they control it and get people they need rather than every man and his 3 legged dog coming across on a Ferry. If we were the same land mass as other countries in the EU then it might not be such a problem...but we aren't and I for one do not want to see more sprawling built up areas eroding our countryside.

Some thing like Christmas Island would be a great idea

Has anybody heard that the Lisbon agreement will allow for military conscription in the future. I believe the EU are in the process of forming a EU army and if so I find that very very worrying.

I thought some of the stuff that 'project fear' was putting out was bad and the UKIP breaking point campaign was about as low as you can get but the suggestion that the EU has written some clause into the Lisbon Treaty that they can literally take our children from us without any sort of link or proof is plumbing a whole new depth.

So what about - Point 3 of article 42 of section 2 " Provisions on the common security and military capabilities available to the Union"

Can't see anything about conscription there though it does mention a couple of times the unanimous agreement of the European Council.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-5-general-provisions-on-the-unions-external-action-and-specific-provisions/chapter-2-specific-provisions-on-the-common-foreign-and-security-policy/section-2-provisions-on-the-common-security-and-defence-policy/129-article-42.html

Point 7

7. If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States.

​What a load of drivel.

Most of the countries are in NATO and what did they do when Russia wanted a piece of the Ukraine? Sh!te themselves, and carried out sanctions...well gee whiz....I bet Putin has never laughed so much. I can not see the EU Army doing any different because they Do Not have any backbone

Vote Leaves Migrant Myth why migration is good for the UKs economy

http://ukinvestormagazine.co.uk/vote-leaves-migrant-myth-migration-good-uks-economy/

JB300

This is from 2010 / 11

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http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2215070/Are-contributor-burden-nations-finances--Squeezed-middle-increasingly-dependent-state.html

I read a report recently, I will have to try and find it and post. That figure is now £28 - 30,000 per individual to be a net contributor in the UK.

I am not, and will not, try and lay the blame on the UK ills on the doorstep of immigrants. Given the figures from 2010 / 11 I would be extremely hard pushed to believe that immigrants are net contributors to the UK. Granted that there will be some that earn over these figures, most likely in the banking sector.

I sort of agree with you, but you only need to look at why Germany is letting a lot of immigrants in (it needs cheap labour) to see that there's an argument for (controlled) immigration being net-positive for the country.

Obviously as an immigrant myself (I'm a Brit working in Singapore) I can also see this from the other side.

I think you might want to rephrase or rethink that statement. There was nothing controlled about what has just happened to Germany and the Southern EU as a whole.

I would also argue, that the UK currently has 1.7 Million officially unemployed. The true figure is actually unknown. A quick visit to the DWP website and a quick scan of who is not eligible to claim JSA ( Where the official unemployed figure comes from ) shows you that the official figures are a load of crap. Whilst the UK has that amount of unemployed it does not need immigration to augment the workforce. The task in hand should be to get these people into work.

I am willing to wager that you are not selling the Big Issue or washing cars in superstore car park

Lol, nobody is buying the Big Issue in Singapore (the locals will crawl over you to save the s$2 (assuming it's still £1).

But by the same token I am pure working class (Warrington lad), from a council estate / working class family so please don't project any "Privilege" on me.

FWIW all my family are voting leave, I just see things from the other side being an "Immigrant" (from Kampala, through Karachi to Singapore with a few places in between) myself for so many years.

1 also came from a council estate,and made my money through hard graft,sometimes working three jobs,before starting my own business and making my small fortune. There I separate from you, while realizing some people are lazy and work shy, I also know that most people are still hard working,yet are not determined to climb the ladder of life,does that make them any inferior to me, of course not,unless of course I

Was to think of myself as superior and think to hell with everybody else.

The vast majority of these immigrants are taking the jobs of those at the bottom of the pile. I'm assuming your Profession ( sounds more important than job)requires high qualifications from which you can demand a high salary. I just wonder if the supply of people with your qualifications were to multiply overnight and subsequently threaten your life style, would you join your family and vote Brexit.

My profession (I'm an IT consultant) does require a lot of qualifications but I don't have them (quit 6 form after 6 months to take a YOP in IT) so got to where I am by (as you say) hard work.

Working in IT (& done a fair few outsourcing/off-shoring projects) "cheaper labour" has been a constant threat to my life style but you "Right Shift" along the food chain (started off as a programmer, when companies started moving this to India I moved myself to designer then architect/consultant).

I do empathise with your point, but at the end of the day we brought immigrants over to do jobs that we didn't want to do or to plug gaps where we had a skills shortage (do you remember trying to get a plumber in the mid-90s before the Polish came over? I know a couple of guys that quit their IT career to cross-train as a plumber because the money was better).

Singapore has been going through a similar thing for a few years, locals are complaining about foreigners taking their jobs with Indians taking all of the IT roles & Filipinos taking the sales/restaurant jobs but none of them are complaining about the Bangladesh construction workers as it seems that the Singaporeans don't want to do that job (ring any bells?).

The biggest difference here is that there's no social security/benefits in Singapore so people have to work to live, if we're going to do cut down on immigration in the UK to create more jobs then let's also crack down on benefits & force people who can work to work.

Yes

I can agree with the cutting of benefits. One of the best things the UK could do. Too many useless overweight slobs who haven't done a decent days work in their life living better than someone on a low paid 5/6 days a week job

Not that they would admit it, but I bet it was a kick in the preverbals for Junker and his cronies Just think of how much money they have lost

How does Junker (sic), with whom you probably mean Jean-Claude Juncker, the current President of the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Union (EU), enter into this picture?

One less country for him to dictate to and if you read the end of the reply it clearly states about them loosing a lot of money...billions.

Thanks for the answers guys

Caps

Caps,

Phil from Rideasia forum brought his KTM here. I believe it is on a temporary import so he has to take it out of the country and back in.

Not really sure but I do remember his write up was very detailed. Check it out.

Cheers Scott

I am a member of the site, will take a look

I am in the process of coming to live in Thailand and hopefully this time next year I will be sorted. I was wondering if anyone has imported their own bike when they came over.

I have a 2003 XT600E with quite a lot of mods and really don't want to get rid of it. It would be a great bike for over here. If I container the bike over from the UK it might be cheaper than selling and starting again?

IMG_1243 by Wayne 66, on Flickr

Apologies if this thread is in the wrong area

Any sensible ideas

Thanks

Thanks all

more polls

Funny: The Presidency of the Council of the European Union is running on a rotating basis.

2017 would actually UKs turn again.

.....and your point it? We are not talking about next year, we are talking about and living now.

How did this happen...doesn't Britain have some of the worlds strictest gun control laws? Do you mean to tell me it actually is mentally ill people who kill people and not guns that kill people?

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The regressive Left's ad-hominem attack strikes again. If you have a pertinent reply then state it...but name-calling is just juvenile.

FYI: Flaming other members or their post's is against Forum rules.

and of course you're not trying to bait people with your replies?

Not that they would admit it, but I bet it was a kick in the preverbals for Junker and his cronies Just think of how much money they have lost

Tragic, RIP