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It is amazing how important the UK has suddenly become. Why didn't the EU think of this before and agree to the British peoples concerns?
And then Denmark could make special demands and france and so on.
Well the EU supposedly belongs to everyone not just Germany
Yes it does!
But you wouldn't think so... You would think it belonged to Junker and his Commission
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On june 24th it will not matter what those clowns in Europe say.
Britain will be out of the EU.
Don't think so and certainly hope not.
Quite right. What people do not realize is that the referendum is only "advisory". Even is there is a slight majority for leave, it is up to the Government whether on not to leave the EU. The Government is unlikely to decide to leave the EU.
You are spot on about it only being advisory and I am amazed at how many people don't know that. It will be interesting to see what happens if Brexit win though. Cameron has stated that he will invoke Article 50 straight after. However, he has to be Prime Minister to invoke that and conspiracy theorists say that he could resign to avoid doing it or that MP's could vote against it in Parliament. Also, Article 50 is supposed to be irreversible and once you have said you will leave, there is no turning back. Others say if the UK can't get a decent deal it can go back to the country for a second referendum.
If you ain't got the gonads to follow it through then don't do it in the first place, whatever happens
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Is yours really that big George
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Motorbikes.
Motorbike?
I don't see many motorbikes on the road...I see a lot of crappy scooters, step throughs, twist and go's on the road
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I don't think I'll visit London if I have to look at obese people with bad teeth 'in person' and on the bus/tube ads.
Awesome.....dont worry your little self...you won't be missed
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Well I am definitely not old
middle aged maybeHave you stopped to think that currently it seems, at least half the country thinks that we should Remain, more than that in many cases they think that remaining is a good thing, many even think it's a very very good thing. Many don't have a problem with an EU tax number, why ever not. And why not achieve the economies of scale of an EU military and/or an EU police force, I mean, it's not as though this is the 1300's and the borders are all but gone anyway. I think in part this is all about the concept of moving forward and not being a Luddite, as stated earlier the younger generations seem overwhelmingly in favour of Remain, it's just the old foggies who think it destroys their memories of the past and their image of what THEY think the country ought to look like.
We have our own tax number and pay taxes to the UK we don't need another linked to the EU...why do you think they want it? Just for the fun of it? it will be funny when all these with a lot of money are being hammered by the EU...and it will probably happen
I am all for going forward in a EU that allows countries to be countries and to work together, which I have no doubt we could do with out all the morons in Brussels putting there two pence in
Younger generations generally didn't see it in the beginning when it was the EEC and the EFTA, they only know what it is today so can't really make an informed choice only being apart of one side and yes maybe the devil you know is a better option for them. Older foggies as you put it have seen both sides and prefer how it was to how it is
On a different note, if we stay in I hope things get sorted before the EU implodes on its self, there are a lot of countries struggling or starting to struggle in the EU. So how much longer will it last? Maybe forever...maybe not. Better to be in the lifeboat now that wait for it to start sinking. You can only bail out for so long
I'm 67 and I've lived all over the world and consider myself worldly wise yet I support Remain. I also have a UK tax ID and NI Number, a US SSc number and a tax ID, I also have a Thai tax ID and I pay taxes in all three countries. So having an EU tax number is no great shakes for me and I can't see really why anybody else is getting excited about it.
Because it implies that they are looking to impose their own tax? But I could be wrong about this as perhaps there is another reasonable explanation?
there maybe another explanation....but I doubt it
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I wonder how many of the remain (if they win) will be moaning when the UK has to pay more in to the EU and when they as individuals have to pay more tax to the EU because of this EU Tax number, because when it hits in the pocket it hurts.
Yes it was great being a member of the EEC and the EFTA. But what it has become is not what we originally joined. Everything has crept up on us and It Will get worse.
All I see all the time is people going on about how much the Pound will slip, how much houses will drop (not a bad thing really as its getting out of hand), blackmailing OAP's with their pensions etc etc
But not many talk about how much of a hold the EU has on the UK and how it is going to get worse. This is kind of swept under the carpet.
I posed these the other day and still got no answers, but if you mention money then holy hell breaks loose
Why do we need a European Tax number? What has it to do with them how much tax I, we pay. Its another route of a slow, stealth take over. I am not saying we have a great Tax office ourselves but its ours
Why do we need an EU army which in my eyes would be detrimental to HM Forces? I am all for military exercises and common goals but as for the EU Army! Quite a lot of the countries in the EU are in NATO, which quite frankly doesn't have a lot of back bone anyway (look at the Ukraine). Do you think the EU Army will have more, not a chance. It will be another bottomless money pit to pay into with nothing in return. Again its another way of a closer take over
Why do we need a EU Police force? We have interpol and yes the EU arrest warrant is ok, but I am sure countries could have this agreement without all the other stuff that goes with it and I believe there is a new arrangement to allow countries to take their ar53holes back quicker, I am pretty sure that if countries worked at it they could have this also. That way it would not be another bottomless money pit
We also as a country have to be careful who we as a 'Democratic Country' vote for, because according to No Mark Junker if he doesn't like the person a country democratically votes for he won't deal with them, eh! Who does he think he is? Isn't that more like a dictatorship? I hate being dictated to http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/24/eu-vows-use-new-powers-block-elected-far-right-populists-power/
It was in The Times but couldn't get the full page, not a member.
Then he had the gall to threaten us
If people think not taking a hit in the wallet for a bit is worth being told what to do by some T055er in Brussels then its sad and it will only get worse. I don't like I told you so's but...............
Have you stopped to think that currently it seems, at least half the country thinks that we should Remain, more than that in many cases they think that remaining is a good thing, many even think it's a very very good thing. Many don't have a problem with an EU tax number, why ever not. And why not achieve the economies of scale of an EU military and/or an EU police force, I mean, it's not as though this is the 1300's and the borders are all but gone anyway. I think in part this is all about the concept of moving forward and not being a Luddite, as stated earlier the younger generations seem overwhelmingly in favour of Remain, it's just the old foggies who think it destroys their memories of the past and their image of what THEY think the country ought to look like.
Well I am definitely not old
middle aged maybeWe have our own tax number and pay taxes to the UK we don't need another linked to the EU...why do you think they want it? Just for the fun of it? it will be funny when all these with a lot of money are being hammered by the EU...and it will probably happen
I am all for going forward in a EU that allows countries to be countries and to work together, which I have no doubt we could do with out all the morons in Brussels putting there two pence in
Younger generations generally didn't see it in the beginning when it was the EEC and the EFTA, they only know what it is today so can't really make an informed choice only being apart of one side and yes maybe the devil you know is a better option for them. Older foggies as you put it have seen both sides and prefer how it was to how it is
On a different note, if we stay in I hope things get sorted before the EU implodes on its self, there are a lot of countries struggling or starting to struggle in the EU. So how much longer will it last? Maybe forever...maybe not. Better to be in the lifeboat now that wait for it to start sinking. You can only bail out for so long
I'm 67 and I've lived all over the world and consider myself worldly wise yet I support Remain. I also have a UK tax ID and NI Number, a US SSc number and a tax ID, I also have a Thai tax ID and I pay taxes in all three countries. So having an EU tax number is no great shakes for me and I can't see really why anybody else is getting excited about it.
My point is why do we need it? We don't! its just another way of trying to take over and control other countries. If you have these tax numbers then its probably to do with business or drawing money from theses countries? (I could be wrong) Not because some useless knacker in the EU says you have to have it so they can meddle
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Andrew Neil does it again
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Isn't that what many of us have been saying for a while now?? No wonder the scaremongering campaign by those with a vested interest has been in overdrive!
Having said that, I'm not sure whether Brexit and/or the collapse of the EU is a good thing. I'm pretty sure they'll (Brit govt and EU) end up keeping the things I don't like and binning the things I like
.If it collapses it will get rid of all the chaff (countries and people) and hopefully the wheat can rebuild and go back to how it was when it was the EEC and the EFTA
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This stupid woman sums it up for me what a crap comment. All the more reason to vote to leave...
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I wonder how many of the remain (if they win) will be moaning when the UK has to pay more in to the EU and when they as individuals have to pay more tax to the EU because of this EU Tax number, because when it hits in the pocket it hurts.
Yes it was great being a member of the EEC and the EFTA. But what it has become is not what we originally joined. Everything has crept up on us and It Will get worse.
All I see all the time is people going on about how much the Pound will slip, how much houses will drop (not a bad thing really as its getting out of hand), blackmailing OAP's with their pensions etc etc
But not many talk about how much of a hold the EU has on the UK and how it is going to get worse. This is kind of swept under the carpet.
I posed these the other day and still got no answers, but if you mention money then holy hell breaks loose
Why do we need a European Tax number? What has it to do with them how much tax I, we pay. Its another route of a slow, stealth take over. I am not saying we have a great Tax office ourselves but its ours
Why do we need an EU army which in my eyes would be detrimental to HM Forces? I am all for military exercises and common goals but as for the EU Army! Quite a lot of the countries in the EU are in NATO, which quite frankly doesn't have a lot of back bone anyway (look at the Ukraine). Do you think the EU Army will have more, not a chance. It will be another bottomless money pit to pay into with nothing in return. Again its another way of a closer take over
Why do we need a EU Police force? We have interpol and yes the EU arrest warrant is ok, but I am sure countries could have this agreement without all the other stuff that goes with it and I believe there is a new arrangement to allow countries to take their ar53holes back quicker, I am pretty sure that if countries worked at it they could have this also. That way it would not be another bottomless money pit
We also as a country have to be careful who we as a 'Democratic Country' vote for, because according to No Mark Junker if he doesn't like the person a country democratically votes for he won't deal with them, eh! Who does he think he is? Isn't that more like a dictatorship? I hate being dictated to http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/24/eu-vows-use-new-powers-block-elected-far-right-populists-power/
It was in The Times but couldn't get the full page, not a member.
Then he had the gall to threaten us
If people think not taking a hit in the wallet for a bit is worth being told what to do by some T055er in Brussels then its sad and it will only get worse. I don't like I told you so's but...............
Have you stopped to think that currently it seems, at least half the country thinks that we should Remain, more than that in many cases they think that remaining is a good thing, many even think it's a very very good thing. Many don't have a problem with an EU tax number, why ever not. And why not achieve the economies of scale of an EU military and/or an EU police force, I mean, it's not as though this is the 1300's and the borders are all but gone anyway. I think in part this is all about the concept of moving forward and not being a Luddite, as stated earlier the younger generations seem overwhelmingly in favour of Remain, it's just the old foggies who think it destroys their memories of the past and their image of what THEY think the country ought to look like.
Well I am definitely not old
middle aged maybeWe have our own tax number and pay taxes to the UK we don't need another linked to the EU...why do you think they want it? Just for the fun of it? it will be funny when all these with a lot of money are being hammered by the EU...and it will probably happen
I am all for going forward in a EU that allows countries to be countries and to work together, which I have no doubt we could do with out all the morons in Brussels putting there two pence in
Younger generations generally didn't see it in the beginning when it was the EEC and the EFTA, they only know what it is today so can't really make an informed choice only being apart of one side and yes maybe the devil you know is a better option for them. Older foggies as you put it have seen both sides and prefer how it was to how it is
On a different note, if we stay in I hope things get sorted before the EU implodes on its self, there are a lot of countries struggling or starting to struggle in the EU. So how much longer will it last? Maybe forever...maybe not. Better to be in the lifeboat now that wait for it to start sinking. You can only bail out for so long
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That pole was 33% a couple of days ago & 24% a few days before that so might not be the positive for the (us) Remains that it appears to be.
Yep ok, i will ask again...how can it be a true reflection? Its just numbers
Again, it's a proven form of analysis, a good indicator that's all, it's a similar method to the way various countries produce their economic statistics, unemployment levels for example are often derived from sampling..
So its not a true reflection then, its analysis. So if the remain win they can all say I told you so and if Brexit win it was a glitch in the analysis....awesome....so....Lets wait and see
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There's a 39% chance of Brexit, pft:,
Why does everyone gloat on polls and odds, lets just wait and see. Because unless you have spoken to every single person of voting age in the UK and those undecideds have decided then its just a prediction. How can it be a true reflection?
I think polls and bookies odds are reasonable indicators. Nobody's gloating over anything however, merely trying to inform people who otherwise wouldn't know things like poll of polls etc even exist. Lest you forget, there's several thousands of people reading this thread trying to get opinions and facts, not just the usual handful of howling soi dogs who post here.
Ok, maybe you can enlighten me,,,,How can it be a true reflection?
Cancel, we must have written at the same time
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Doesn't really take a lot of working out....well done Speed
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There's a 39% chance of Brexit, pft:,
Why does everyone gloat on polls and odds, lets just wait and see. Because unless you have spoken to every single person of voting age in the UK and those undecideds have decided then its just a prediction. How can it be a true reflection?
That pole was 33% a couple of days ago & 24% a few days before that so might not be the positive for the (us) Remains that it appears to be.
Yep ok, i will ask again...how can it be a true reflection? Its just numbers
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I wonder how many of the remain (if they win) will be moaning when the UK has to pay more in to the EU and when they as individuals have to pay more tax to the EU because of this EU Tax number, because when it hits in the pocket it hurts.
Yes it was great being a member of the EEC and the EFTA. But what it has become is not what we originally joined. Everything has crept up on us and It Will get worse.
All I see all the time is people going on about how much the Pound will slip, how much houses will drop (not a bad thing really as its getting out of hand), blackmailing OAP's with their pensions etc etc
But not many talk about how much of a hold the EU has on the UK and how it is going to get worse. This is kind of swept under the carpet.
I posed these the other day and still got no answers, but if you mention money then holy hell breaks loose
Why do we need a European Tax number? What has it to do with them how much tax I, we pay. Its another route of a slow, stealth take over. I am not saying we have a great Tax office ourselves but its ours
Why do we need an EU army which in my eyes would be detrimental to HM Forces? I am all for military exercises and common goals but as for the EU Army! Quite a lot of the countries in the EU are in NATO, which quite frankly doesn't have a lot of back bone anyway (look at the Ukraine). Do you think the EU Army will have more, not a chance. It will be another bottomless money pit to pay into with nothing in return. Again its another way of a closer take over
Why do we need a EU Police force? We have interpol and yes the EU arrest warrant is ok, but I am sure countries could have this agreement without all the other stuff that goes with it and I believe there is a new arrangement to allow countries to take their ar53holes back quicker, I am pretty sure that if countries worked at it they could have this also. That way it would not be another bottomless money pit
We also as a country have to be careful who we as a 'Democratic Country' vote for, because according to No Mark Junker if he doesn't like the person a country democratically votes for he won't deal with them, eh! Who does he think he is? Isn't that more like a dictatorship? I hate being dictated to http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/24/eu-vows-use-new-powers-block-elected-far-right-populists-power/
It was in The Times but couldn't get the full page, not a member.
Then he had the gall to threaten us
If people think not taking a hit in the wallet for a bit is worth being told what to do by some T055er in Brussels then its sad and it will only get worse. I don't like I told you so's but...............
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There's a 39% chance of Brexit, pft:,
Why does everyone gloat on polls and odds, lets just wait and see. Because unless you have spoken to every single person of voting age in the UK and those undecideds have decided then its just a prediction. How can it be a true reflection?
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The process for withdrawing from the EU...
Scaring reading, especially...
2.7 Regular EU decision-making would continue while we negotiated to leave. Our vote to leave, and the withdrawal negotiations themselves, would have an impact on our ability to affect the EU’s decision-making. But we would be bound by new EU legislation up to the moment we left.
Then someone in the Government needs to grow a pair and tell the EU to shove it and if they are not deciding then they are not abiding. Because we will still be in the EU and therefore have as much right as the next country till we leave
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Went to see the Now You See Me 2. It was good, something in it I wasn't expecting
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“The much greater risk is remaining within the EU, they’ve got explicit plans to destroy British pensions,” Mr Truell said.
“All the final salary funds will go bankrupt and their companies will go bankrupt supporting them, that’s about 8,000 pension funds in the private sector.”
Taken from WhamBam's link #953
Why do you think they want everyone to have an EU tax number? Then the will know exactly how much everyone gets
Before you know it you will pay tax straight to Brussels then Parliament will have to beg for money....'Please Sir can I have some more.......MORE, YOU WANT MORE
I hope Junkers whole world falls apart when this is over...whichever way it goes
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The President of the unelected executive arm of the European Union (EU) has vowed to block all right wing populists from power across the continent, shortly after acquiring the power to exert “far-reaching sanctions” on elected governments.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, promised to exclude Norbert Hofer, the leader of Austria’s Freedom Party (FPÖ), from all EU decision-making if elected ahead of yesterday’s presidential vote.
The EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept to power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration.Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, made clear at the weekend that Norbert Hofer would have been frozen out of EU decision-making if he had been elected president of Austria. “There is no debate or dialogue with the far-right,” Mr Juncker said
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/juncker-vows-to-use-new-powers-to-block-the-far-right-nq5r5tnqq
So who gave him that right?!
The elected President of the EU Commission, which the EU Parliament approved, obviously made a political statement. That is his right as it is anybody’s right to make statements.
If he acts on that statement, he will do that according to the rights and obligations that the treaties assign to his position. If he oversteps, member states (e.g. Austria) or EU-institutions (Council of the Ministers or EU Parliament) can take the matter to the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. On the political side, the EU parliament can vote for a motion of censure. With a respective majority the EU Parliament can force the whole Commission to resign.
The Commission is the guardian of the treaties. Recently, Poland and Hungary changed or tried to change their legislation in a way that the commission (and not only them) sees as a possible breach of the treaties. Juncker obviously made his statement in support of previous „warning shots“ in the direction of these countries.
The „Austrian case“ is a bit theoretical, as the right wing candidate did not make it. Furthermore, the Austrian President has no real power and is not involved in the EU decision making process anyway (as far as I know, anybody who knows better please correct me). That lets me believe that Juncker did not intend to act on his statement. If he had, see above regarding possible measures against him.
You can flower it up how you like, its got naff all to do with him who a country votes for and its got nothing to do with the Commission. After all we are all free countries..unless he gets his way
Indeed, free peoples can elect their governments as they choose. But the elected governments must stick to the EU treaties. If they do not, the Commission has the right and the obligation(!) to step in.
Yep ok I can go with that....why do you think folk are getting p155ed off with it because they should not be interfering. Not all the EU parliament approved Jumped Up Junker, we didn't and he wasn't elected democratically...did you vote for him...no you didn't and neither did I, some of Parliament may have approved him...so what!
If thats the case the House of Commons might as well vote our next PM in...would you class that as democratic? After all you voted for your local councillor who sits there
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The President of the unelected executive arm of the European Union (EU) has vowed to block all right wing populists from power across the continent, shortly after acquiring the power to exert “far-reaching sanctions” on elected governments.Yes it is....agreed...and for those who think not....Junker said that countries need to be careful who they vote in to power (democratically i might add) because if the EU doesn't like them they won't deal with that country anymore....Ummmmm, is that not dictating
That sounds ... interesting. So, what exactly did Juncker allegedly say and to whom?
The "dictatorial" EU-Commission is indeed not elected but only approved (or rejected) by the European Parliament. IMHO that would be one of the most important reform steps the EU should take. The parliament should elect all commissioners and not only the president of the Commission. Nevertheless, the Commissioners are appointed by their governments, which are democratically elected. So, a minimum level of democratic principles is met.
Again, if anybody wants to see a dictatorship, just look at Thailand.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, promised to exclude Norbert Hofer, the leader of Austria’s Freedom Party (FPÖ), from all EU decision-making if elected ahead of yesterday’s presidential vote.
The EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept to power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration.Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, made clear at the weekend that Norbert Hofer would have been frozen out of EU decision-making if he had been elected president of Austria. “There is no debate or dialogue with the far-right,” Mr Juncker said
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/juncker-vows-to-use-new-powers-to-block-the-far-right-nq5r5tnqq
So who gave him that right?!
The elected President of the EU Commission, which the EU Parliament approved, obviously made a political statement. That is his right as it is anybody’s right to make statements.
If he acts on that statement, he will do that according to the rights and obligations that the treaties assign to his position. If he oversteps, member states (e.g. Austria) or EU-institutions (Council of the Ministers or EU Parliament) can take the matter to the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. On the political side, the EU parliament can vote for a motion of censure. With a respective majority the EU Parliament can force the whole Commission to resign.
The Commission is the guardian of the treaties. Recently, Poland and Hungary changed or tried to change their legislation in a way that the commission (and not only them) sees as a possible breach of the treaties. Juncker obviously made his statement in support of previous „warning shots“ in the direction of these countries.
The „Austrian case“ is a bit theoretical, as the right wing candidate did not make it. Furthermore, the Austrian President has no real power and is not involved in the EU decision making process anyway (as far as I know, anybody who knows better please correct me). That lets me believe that Juncker did not intend to act on his statement. If he had, see above regarding possible measures against him.
You can flower it up how you like, its got naff all to do with him who a country votes for and its got nothing to do with the Commission. After all we are all free countries..unless he gets his way
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The President of the unelected executive arm of the European Union (EU) has vowed to block all right wing populists from power across the continent, shortly after acquiring the power to exert “far-reaching sanctions” on elected governments.If we leave,then the E.U will eventually disintegrate
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I hope so. Its nothing more than a dictatorship with unelected officials calling the shots.
Yes it is....agreed...and for those who think not....Junker said that countries need to be careful who they vote in to power (democratically i might add) because if the EU doesn't like them they won't deal with that country anymore....Ummmmm, is that not dictating
That sounds ... interesting. So, what exactly did Juncker allegedly say and to whom?
The "dictatorial" EU-Commission is indeed not elected but only approved (or rejected) by the European Parliament. IMHO that would be one of the most important reform steps the EU should take. The parliament should elect all commissioners and not only the president of the Commission. Nevertheless, the Commissioners are appointed by their governments, which are democratically elected. So, a minimum level of democratic principles is met.
Again, if anybody wants to see a dictatorship, just look at Thailand.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, promised to exclude Norbert Hofer, the leader of Austria’s Freedom Party (FPÖ), from all EU decision-making if elected ahead of yesterday’s presidential vote.
The EU will isolate and use sanctions against any far-right or populist governments that are swept to power or presidential office on the wave of popular anger against migration.Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, made clear at the weekend that Norbert Hofer would have been frozen out of EU decision-making if he had been elected president of Austria. “There is no debate or dialogue with the far-right,” Mr Juncker said
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/juncker-vows-to-use-new-powers-to-block-the-far-right-nq5r5tnqq
So who gave him that right?!
middle aged maybe
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