Bkk Brian

oh dear.

And, how do you know that some of those 14,000 are not in the list that have not been identified yet? You made a claim and again you just can't back it up. “The numbers have not dramatically shifted. The overall tally remains unchanged — 35,000,” OCHA spokesperson Jens Laerke said in emailed comments to NBC News on Monday. “What is new is the level of verification ('full details have been documented') for a subset of 24,686 of those fatalities."

You claimed: Your link and maths do not support your claims Latest number is around 35,000 killed according to Hamas and your link.

I know you are wrong

How do you work that one out then? Can you provide links for that claim?

Well it wouldn't be Hamas (they only admitted to 6000 killed back in Feb) and its obviously not the UN so yes that leaves Israel.

Or Hamas could just release the hostages. Done

14,000 dead Hamas terrorists, I thought that was clear enough in the post. The clue would have been in the "killed" yes? "14,000 Hamas killed and hundreds of other Gazans killed by their own rockets" Link to that just for you. 14,000 Hamas fighters have so far been killed. Israel estimated Gaza to have 30,000 fighters before October 7.

I didn't claim to be a magician

Cool stoner 😴

Its going where the evidence is. There is also evidence that WHO knew Hamas was using hospitals but never condemned them for it.

Off topic but yes, do things ever change for you?

Nobody believes figures presented apart from the UN conveniently forgetting the 14,000 Hamas killed and hundreds of other Gazans killed by their own rockets

Jeez, where did you get that from, no don't tell me. Unbelievable misinformation

Yes I was reading that 10 mins ago and as confirmed the Guardian headline was just making things up. Deputy Spokesman: It’s not quite the case. No. What I can tell you is this: The overall number of fatalities that has been tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza, which is our counterpart on dealing with the death tolls. That number remains unchanged. And it’s at more than 35,000 people since 7 October. What’s changed is the Ministry of Health in Gaza has updated the breakdown of fatalities for whom full details have been documented. So, what they recently published was that they gave figures for 24,686 out of 34,622 overall fatalities recorded in Gaza. And those 24,686 people are the ones for whom full details have been documented — in other words, people who have been fully identified. Out of those then, out of that smaller number, that subset of identified bodies, you have 7,797 children, 4,959 women, 1,924 elderly and 10,006 men. And the Ministry of Health says that the documentation process of fully identifying details of the casualties is ongoing. Meanwhile, as you can see, if you do the math, that there’s about another 10,000-plus bodies who still have to be fully identified. And so, then the details of those — which of those are children, which of those are women — that will be reestablished once the full identification process is complete. We, our teams in Gaza, are unable to independently verify these figures, given the situation on the ground and the continuing combat and the sheer number of fatalities. And so, we cite the Ministry of Health as the source for our figures.

Miss leading Guardian headline. There is no quote of the UN saying that. “The United Nations’ teams in Gaza are unable to independently verify those figures given the prevailing situation on the ground and the sheer volume of fatalities,” an Ocha spokesperson, Jens Laerke, said. “It is for this reason that all figures used by the UN clearly cite the health ministry in Gaza as the source. The UN will verify these figures to the extent possible when conditions permit.”

Indeed I relish facts not your hyperbole, I am also not foolish enough to get out crystal balls and make predictions as you obviously are. Ukraine has recaptured 50% of the territory that Russia seized https://archive.ph/9smJG

? Yes seriously? Ukraine had regained more than 50% of ground Russia took by July 2023. Its lost some of that ground again. How does that equate to Russia winning?

Who's telling you the Russians are winning?

I provide a link, he did not. No it is not worth the same as much as you want it to be

IIs it as worthless as the 300 - 400k figure? The actual estimate of Ukraine deaths is 50,000 by the way

What's that got to do with me asking for a link to his claim that 300-400k are dead?

Did he not say it then? What makes you claim I am naïve? Do you really think I believe it exactly? Or would you prefer me to believe the B.S. figure of 300-400k that has not link?

Unbelievable. The WHO is just as bad as the UN https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1790325530044010628 The new data released last week attributes close to 10,000 reported deaths as coming from “reliable media sources,” and also reduces by more than half the number of women and children that it previously said had been killed during the war. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/who-defends-gaza-death-toll-figures-following-revision/ They are are also still not acknowledging the 14,000 Hamas fighters killed in those figures and the hundreds killed by Hamas's own rockets that failed.

However you are taking a 1:1 quote out of context and not followed the link to it That would mean some 18,000 civilians have died in Gaza, a ratio of roughly 1 combatant to 1.5 civilians. Given Hamas' likely inflation of the death count, the real figure could be closer to 1 to 1. Either way, the number would be historically low for modern urban warfare. https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286