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43 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Read it properly. “disillusioned farmers who have witnessed a dramatic decline in profits since the liberalization of cannabis in 2022.” the operative word is “since”. 

"'since" Since the liberalisation of the law. Between then and now and not before. So yes the "opperative word" as you say is since. "Since the liberalisation of the law (when the law was liberalised) farmers profits have reduced" or "initially the small number of farmers cultivating saw good profits but as the number of cultivators rapidly increased those farmers saw their profits reduced." As I said this would be because more dope was being cultivated, more on the market, market prices dropped and profit margins were reduced. I believe I did read it properly thank you and I also know what since means. 

Surely in a 'democracy' challenging the govt is an integral function. Not in TIT.

3 hours ago, webfact said:

He admitted the rice might lack the aroma of freshly harvested varieties, but maintained it was still safe for consumption. 

So it going to be crap and cheap but you can eat it. The govt must buy the lot and give it free to temples so it can go towards helping the poor. Even then I'm not sure people are going to want it. Tasteless 10 yr old rice.

Just another knee jerk reaction to an industrial base full of corruption and cost cutting.

6 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The grief of a Thai widow grew grim this week when she derided her country's government for their inadequate financial aid

This is enough ChatGPT for me. I don't need to bother to read the rest of the article to guess Issan family government doesn't care. That'll do for me.

1 minute ago, Emdog said:

You can have your opinion.Nonsense was the view that AN members are lower because we haven't given our lives. And I assume being alive is a requirement of being an AN member, or at least one that can post.

I'm sorry she died... that wasn't her intention I assume. Doesn't make her sacrifice any less. Could I get in trouble if I posted my view on that law? It would not be in support....

Maybe a clearer post next time. Someone has died in custody for a cause she and a majority of Thais believe in. Frivolity might not be the best thing in this case.

3 hours ago, BigBruv said:

 

Like alcohol, thc affects different people in different ways so to say that cannabis is damaging is true (look up cannabis psychosis).

https://everybrainmatters.org/thc-psychosis-and-violence/

For every bob marley (who did great work under the influence), there are many more who smoked their lives away at best and quite a few who hear voices and will stab you if you look at them 'wrong'.

 

Having saif that, cash rules in thailand so I'd guess the alcohol lobby is probably behind this (late) gambit.

 

 

Thaksin is behind this. At the end of the day it doesn't matter about if dope is bad or not bad. It's what he wants.

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

As I said already you are a one quote wonder and can't even understand the quotes you pick (or rather cherry pick)  it's really difficult holding a meaningful discussion with someone who is so intellectually stunted 

How the Department of Justice and the Drug Enforcement Agency in the US and the WHO classifies cannabis isn't what I would call cherry picking and they both classify it as psychoactive. This isn't to say that other duristications don't classify it as psychtopic. Either way as has been said many times by many posters that to say it's deleterous to mental health as if this applies to everyone is incorrect. 

9 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Very silly reply - you are a one quote wonder - you don't even realise that a drug can fall into more than one category.

 

Both psychoactive and psychotropic are terms used to describe substances that affect the brain, but there's a subtle difference between them.

Psychoactive is the broader term. It refers to any substance that can cross the blood-brain barrier and influence the way the brain works. This can lead to changes in mood, perception, behavior, or cognitive function. Examples of psychoactive substances include caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, marijuana, and many medications.

Psychotropic, on the other hand, specifically refers to substances that alter mental state. This means they have a more significant impact on how you think, feel, and behave. Antidepressants, antipsychotics, and mood stabilizers are all psychotropic drugs.

Here's an analogy to understand the difference:

Think of psychoactive like a category in a store. Everything on the shelf affects you in some way.

Psychotropic is a subcategory within that section. These are the items that have a more dramatic effect.

So, all psychotropic substances are psychoactive, but not all psychoactive substances are psychotropic.

 

However, what is the point you are trying to make? (apart from the fact you don't understand the topic)

Maybe you should read the link I attatched above from the DEA. If you didn't read it here it is again.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Marijuana-Cannabis-2020_0.pdf

If that's not enough here's what wiki says:

Cannabis,^[a] also known as marijuana^[b] or weed among other names, is a psychoactive drug from the cannabis plant. Native to Central or South Asia, the cannabis plant has been used as a drug for both recreational and entheogenic purposes and in various traditional medicines for centuries. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the main psychoactive component of cannabis, which is one of the 483 known compounds in the plant, including at least 65 other cannabinoids, such as cannabidiol (CBD). Cannabis can be used by smoking, vaporizing, within food, or as an extract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)

It would appear that dope is classified as a psycoactive drug.

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

I think people should get to know what "psychotropic" - means -  A drug or other substance that affects how the brain works and causes changes in mood, awareness, thoughts, feelings, or behavior. Examples of psychotropic substances include alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, marijuana, and certain pain medicines.

Nup. This is psychoactive.

Psychoactive drugs are substances that, when taken in or administered into one's system, affect mental processes, e.g. perception, consciousness, cognition or mood and emotions. Psychoactive drugs belong to a broader category of psychoactive substances that include also alcohol and nicotine.

https://www.who.int/health-topics/drugs-psychoactive#:~:text=Psychoactive drugs are substances that,include also alcohol and nicotine.

58 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

International Narcotics Control Board:
List of Psychotropic Substances under International Control
In accordance with the Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971

Page 7, PT 002 TETRAHYDROCANNABINOL

https://www.incb.org/documents/Psychotropics/forms/greenlist/2022/Green_List_E.pdf
 

Marijuana is a mind-altering (psychoactive) drug, produced by the Cannabis sativa plant. Marijuana has over 480 constituents. THC (delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol) is believed to be the main ingredient that produces the psychoactive effect

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/Marijuana-Cannabis-2020_0.pdf

8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I don't take this personally but just to be clear, I can assure you I know what I am talking about.

One thing I consistently notice on weed threads is how hostile the weed proponents are towards criticism.

When people criticise dope calling it a psychotropic drug then these people are uneducated to the facts. Education is a good thing but when pointed out it's responded to with negative comments. There is and I'll say it again there is no scientic evidence that dope should be reclassified as a type5 narcotic and hence recriminalised. It's political and it's Thaksin.

29 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

psychotropic substance:
A drug or other substance that affects how the brain works and causes changes in mood, awareness, thoughts, feelings, or behavior. Examples of psychotropic substances include alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, marijuana, and certain pain medicines.
https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/psychotropic-substance

I prefer to use "psychoactive" actually.

 

It seems you are one of those who can control it. Many don't.

Yes. Psychoactive and psychotropic are different. Other psychoactive drugs can include alcohol, caffeine and nicotine for example. Way too many people on this thread that push the demonising narrative with very little knoweledge of what their talking about.

5 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Wait a minute. Farmers complaining about loss in profit since it was decriminalized? How were they growing it when it was criminalized? 

This is about a flooded market (one could say a healthy market) and reduction in prices and profits. Thought that would be obvious.

6 minutes ago, sabai-dee-man said:

 

Yes, exactly. He dabbled a bit on occasion "for medicinal reasons", but I came back at the end of 2022 to find him skiving off work and sitting in weed bars continuously. 6 months later the job was gone, 9 months later the house was gone. He couldn't even be arsed to rent the house out as an AirBnB. Totally lost the will to be a productive member of society. 

 

As for friend #2, he openly admits himself, smoking dope absolutely led him on to hard drugs.

 

Believe what you want. It makes no odds to me.

Being led onto harder drugs and abusing them is not from the dope alone iI would suggest. I don't know why he went this way and I reckon you don't either. As for the guy that just sits around puffing all day again what issues are at play here. The majority of casual or recreational users of all drugs are functioning people. Even alcoholics aka functioning alcoholic. The whole dope is a gateway drug is also a furphy as it always implied smoking dope will lead to an addiction to harder drugs. This would be a very, very small % overall..

Just now, n00dle said:

 

adolescents cannot legally purchase cannabis.

Can't legally purchace cigs or alcohol either but they do. It's a matter of societal attitudes and lack of law enforcement rather than the law itself.

6 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

The problem with cannabis is the same as alcohol. Some people can’t take it in moderation. 
 

in my village in Isaan the norm for locals is to drink until falling down drunk. There is no few drinks or one drink. I only have anecdotal evidence, ie the few people I know, but I see the same thing happening with cannabis.

 

Tobacco is slightly different. Yes it causes significant long term health risks  and is addictive, but it doesn’t alter the state of mind while being consumed. At least not to the same degree.

Difference is after a while of choofing down dope you don't fall down drunk. Might fall down from laughing too much but that's about it. Mixing the two is of course different. Then you fall down drunk and laughing.