2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

You are boring. No one’s telling you to like or buy EVs. You don’t like China either. Don’t buy any Chinese made products then. No one is going to lose sleep over that.

Didn't say I don't like China but I do hate the CCP. Xi is an authoritarian monster. As for not buying Chinese I sure try not to and as for boring well I guess people who are EV zealots could be seen as particularly boring. As for buying an EV there's little point. Car gets around 50 mpg more or less. There is one thing that's impresive about EV's and that's how quick they are off the mark. Our car is a snail in comparison but on a good day if the missus is feeling fit it's not too bad.

8 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That was not actually a fire - if you read the report it says there was smoke (but no fire) coming from under the hood. Later reports established that the smoke (again, not fire) came from a wiring problem with the vehicle's 12V lead-acid battery.

 

So the incident, which caused virtually no damage to the vehicle, had nothing to do with it being an EV.

I guess the point is it was a brand new BYD with an obvious quality fault. As for damage who knows how bad it could've been if not caught in time. It was being charged at the time. BRAND NEW CAR!!!

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

He is welcome to present his evidence.

 

It's far too early to start saying anything about values at 5 years old.  I think the only manufacturer backed EV was the Leaf?  correct me if I am wrong.

I'm assuming you didn't even bother to read the article even if you did as I say you can contact him and ask for the source of the information which sadly is missing from the Thaiger article. BP ran the same article (which I can't link) an which is where Thaiger lifted the article from as did carlist.my also taken from BP. You know have 4 organisations to contact to say the information is wrong.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Which is a good thing

Very good for the CCP that's for sure.

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

It's normal in any new market, as it matures it shakes the tree and the weaker ones fall out.

Nup. The CCP has heavily subsidised production in country to produce EV's as cheap as possible and it's simply flooding the internatinal market with a cheap product.

8 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

I am done doing your research for you. 

 

You said:

“As for resale values say goodbye to your Baht” 

 

Your claim to be an expert on used EVs in Thailand has turned out to be

 

”ignorance signalling” again

You'll find out for yourself. How much is the battery pack replacement? Might need to sell before then.

Thailand is corrupt top to bottom and this is another example i.e. corrupt person and corrupt court. Every person in Thailand  knows this. Another slap fight between the corrupt with a big price to pay for the loser and a big price to pay for the winner. Judges do not come cheap.

18 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Thought you were an expert on used EVs in Thailand!

 

 

 

 

 

How about the Chinese ones???????? As for paying 2-4 mil for a used Tesla you'd have to be crazy. 4 mil can get you a pretty good house built upcountry.Of course if it's status and virtue signalling then I understand.

34 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

You want some real Chinese EV action 🎬?

 

What really disturbs me about these videos is people just standing around them. The gases given off are very dangerous, they explode and basically they don't go out until specialist equipment is used or they've burned themselves out and even then when it looks like it's finished they can reignite. Plenty of available documenatation on this so before any fanboys boys say show us the evidence just look it up. Run away and run away upwind.

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Well for a start I own an EV bike and a Hybrid Camry so let's put that to bed.  

 

My sister in law has a full EV car. She likes to do trips up to and around Chiang Mai, Pai, Mae Hong son etc. Keeps moaning about having to plan her routes around the charging stations and then having to wait when she gets there. She was joking she's never drunk so much Inthanin coffee as she does waiting around at these stations. We suggested she buy shares in them. 

 

 

Depends on the market. In the UK (where I was referring to the green strip virtue signalling) they are not cheaper. 

 

 

A very specific circumstance. Most people do not have solar panels and many do not even have somewhere to install a normal charger. My tractor is great for my farm, I wouldn't recommend my colleagues buy one for the Bangkok commute. Different circumstances, different use. 

 

 

Insurance and depreciation are far more significant expenses than servicing and road tax. 20% harder on tyres etc.  

Please be careful where you charge your EV bike. We had an EV scooter but when I started showing my wife lithium ion batteries exploding she sold it. I didn't want her to buy it in the first place. I'm an RC helicopter pilot and I know the dangers of these batteries. I have a special bag to charge them in.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

You're right, things are often not what they seem, you could be mistaken for an intelligent open-minded person, once you post, that myth disappears entirely.

No personal attacks please. Not once have I called you an EV fanboy so respect should be both ways.

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Did you watch the video about the tear down of a BYD Seal?  Disruptively high quality and low price was the verdict.

 

BYD have not long been in Europe, they are nimble and not afraid to adjust pricing.  I think they will do pretty well, they are a high quality product.

Depends who tears it down I guess.  Bit like something else I could talk about being called "safe and effective" by "experts". It's not always as it seems. As for being "nimble and not afraid to adjust pricing" this is just spin for saying undercutting the native market with a heavily subsidised product. Subsidised by the autoritarian CCP. 

30 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

The BYD car i bought here is 40% more expensive in the U.K.

That's called dumping into markets where there is competition aka undercutting the market. As for your car and all the others lets see what happens with time. As for re-sale values say goodbye to your Baht.

25 minutes ago, webfact said:

Criticism has also been directed at the EC’s stringent regulations on candidate introductions, as they possibly obscure transparency. Similarly, Ratchaphong Jamjirachaiyakul from human rights group iLaw, warns that these restrictions could increase chances of vote-rigging. Even outgoing Senator Seri Suwanphanon acknowledges the possible threat of election manipulation.

 

This will all be wiped aside and those who support the status quo will buy their way into a majority, in yet another non-representitive Senate. 

The main factors hindering BYD’s entry into Western markets include weak market demand combined with ambitious sales targets, a flawed pricing strategy, regulatory investigations by Western countries, concerns about quality, and the necessity for extensive post-import adjustments, and significant repairs.

Build Quality and Software: The recent report suggests that vehicles exported from China required various repairs and adjustments upon arrival at their destinations. Vehicles shipped to Japan showed signs of scratches, while those sent to Europe were discovered to have mold. Additionally, some users have reported issues with the battery and other minor inconveniences, including frequent discharging of the vehicle’s 12V battery, the GPS providing inaccurate directions, and challenges with the vehicle’s washer/wiper system.

https://cmr.berkeley.edu/2024/05/why-does-byd-struggle-to-penetrate-western-markets/#:~:text=Extensive fixes%3A BYD has faced,and structural issues in Israel.

On 5/7/2024 at 9:33 PM, Bandersnatch said:

This case is well know in the EV community. It was a small electrical fire not a traction battery fire.

A battery fire in an EV happens under the car.

An electrical fire happens under the bonnet.

 

Indeed. It was put down to a wiring issue whilst recharging. Guess that would come under a quality issue. 

13 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Belgium's ports drowning under glut of Chinese electric cars: 'Some are parked here for a year, sometimes more'

Due to China's overcapacity in production – as it aims to capture a quarter of the European electric vehicle market – the ports of Antwerp and Zeebrugge are inundated.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2024/05/04/belgium-s-ports-drowning-under-glut-of-chinese-electric-cars-some-are-parked-here-for-a-year-sometimes-a-year-and-a-half_6670373_19.html

 

Who in their right mind is going to buy an EV that has been sitting exposed in a European car park  for 18 months

Awaiting JB's reply to huge subsidies and flooding markets.

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

No one I'm aware of ever claimed that mask wearing alone would entirely halt/stop COVID. However, in keeping with your China example, reputable sources posted here reported that face masking together with other measures (social distancing, lockdowns, etc.) could make significant impacts in doing so.

 

Lockdowns and face masks ‘unequivocally’ cut spread of Covid, report finds

 

Royal Society review looks at non-pharmaceutical interventions when applied in packages of several measures

 

Measures taken during the Covid pandemic such as social distancing and wearing face masks “unequivocally” reduced the spread of infections, a report has found.

 

Experts looked at the effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) – not drugs or vaccines – when applied in packages that combine a number of measures that complement one another.

 

The Royal Society report, called Covid-19: examining the effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical interventions, reviewed the evidence gathered during the pandemic for six groups of NPIs and their effectiveness in reducing transmission.

...

When assessed individually, there was positive – if limited – evidence of transmission reduction from many of the NPIs used in the pandemic, the review found. However, evidence of a positive effect was clear when countries used combinations of NPIs.

 

(more)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/24/lockdowns-face-masks-unequivocally-cut-spread-covid-study-finds

 

 

 

Say or cite what you like but as I said covid spread rapidly throughout China after they lifted the zero covid policy with the entire population wearing masks. You see the thing is covid is so contagious and becoming even more so that masks would have to be 100% effective and worn continuously to stop the transmission. Reduction is not enough. It will spread. This is the nature of the virus. Now with this spread comes natural immunity so the virus changes again to be more contagious. We cant keep wearing masks for ever. It's pointless.

31 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Thanks for finally acknowledging here what the scientific community has long known and reported:

 

Face mask effectiveness: What science knows now

October 29, 2023

 

"In an interview for 60 Minutes, CBS News chief medical correspondent Dr. Jon LaPook posed that question to Linsey Marr, a Virginia Tech university professor specializing in aerosol science.

 

"They are very helpful in reducing the chances that the person will get COVID because it's reducing the amount of virus that you would inhale from the air around you," Marr said about masks.  

 

No mask is 100% effective. An N95, for example, is named as such because it is at least 95% efficient at blocking airborne particles when used properly. But even if a mask has an 80% efficiency, Marr said, it still offers meaningful protection. 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-mask-effectiveness-what-science-knows-now-60-minutes/

 

 

I do find it interesting that in China once they abandoned the rediculous zero covid policy it spread like wildfire. Remembering vision of this it looked like 100% mask wearing yet covid spread and it spread fast and wide.