30 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/14/us/covid-19-death-toll.html

 

It sounds like you don't understand the concept of excess deaths.

Excess deaths chart from Australia. Sept 23 there were 8 deaths in Australia attributed to Covid. I don't think this would take excess deaths above 5% do you? 

 https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?tab=chart&country=~AUS

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

Excess mortality: Cumulative deaths from all causes compared to
projection based on previous years

I have a good idea for another hub. I think Thailand should start making caps.

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

"Nearly 20 million lives were saved by COVID-19 vaccines during their first year, but even more deaths could have been prevented if international targets for the shots had been reached, researchers reported Thursday."

 

 

so there we have it then "absolute proof" not only that the vaccine saved 20 million lives,  but also  absolute proof that the "international targets" were totally correct too.

Would anybody have expected the research to show anything to the contrary considering who paid for it ....

 

Funding came from several groups including the WHO; the UK Medical Research Council; Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance; and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

 

sorry not convinced !

Agree. Doctors and scientists at the time and still are being pressured or down right threatened to toe the line. Publications in agreeance with the narrative were published and those that weren't with the narrative were not. Social media was and still is being censored. If everything was and is what they say then why is there suppression and censorship? Why has freedom of speech diminished so much since 2020? If I was veiwing this from the outside I would strongly suspect something was being covered up.

Just now, transam said:

Do I recall that you pooh pooh anything to do with covid as "nothing" when covid was at its height....?🤔

No you don't. In fact in the beginning I believed the narrative. I no longer do. It's a bit like growing up and realising God, Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny don't exist.

No benefit for me mate. My jabs were years ago now and I've had covid recently. I was fine (bit sick for a few days but nothing as bad as a heavy cold) and I'm not a youngster and I have some underlying issues. Now you tell me the benefit for a fit and healthy teenager and please remember it is now Omicron which for the majority is a mild virul infection.

23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The "excess deaths" issue is a favorite anti-vaxer trope. But the substance HAS been looked at and assessed by numerous credible sources, and found NOT to be related to COVID vaccinations:

 

For example:

Fact Check: No evidence to link UK excess deaths to COVID-19 vaccines

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-excess-deaths-covid-19-vaccines-2024-02-06/

 

No Evidence Excess Deaths Linked to Vaccines, Contrary to Claims Online

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/04/scicheck-no-evidence-excess-deaths-linked-to-vaccines-contrary-to-claims-online/

 

New Analysis Reveals Many Excess Deaths Attributed to Natural Causes Are Actually Uncounted COVID-19 Deaths 

 

https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2024/new-analysis-reveals-many-excess-deaths-attributed-to-natural-causes-are-actually-uncounted-covid-19-deaths/

 

 

 

 

 

Anti-vaxer???? What are you on about. I would suggest that those who question mRNA vaccines are not anti-vaxers. I know I'm not. What complete drivel. As for evidence of mRNA covid jabs linked to excess deaths well that's what needs investigating, however, it cannot be denied that said vaccines are not linked to deaths and injuries. This is documented and indisputable.  Now we have these white clots? What are they?

10 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Pure conspiracy.

Indeed. I trust this man. Gain of function research? No way. We changed the definition. Lab leak? Uh uh! Wet market. Vaccines are safe? Of course they are.

7 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

 

They have, it was called Covid, now please do show the evidence that it was vaccines.... 

Again you seem to be one that doesn't understand the excess death numbers seen globally. The excess death numbers include but are not limited to deaths attributed to Cov19. The question is what is causing the excess deaths over and above that attributed to Cov19? This is not being investigated or even discussed by governments and is not to be found on or in legacy media. Why?

1 minute ago, PremiumLane said:

Anyone who uses "Dr" John Cambbell as a source, should just be laughed at.  The dude is a moron. Check our Debunk the Funk and Dr. Susan Oliver for the debunking of Cambell's moronic takes on vaccines and Covid. 

Dr. Susan Oliver was often on TV pushing the narrative. Bit like saying Fauchi tells the truth really. 

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

There are 2 facts here.

 

There are excess deaths & white, rubbery, fibrous, amyloid plaque like deposits are being found in the living, cadavers and in some cases they are the cause of death.

Excess deaths in 2022 among worst in 50 years - BBC News

COVID-19: Amyloids could explain blood clots, neurological symptoms (medicalnewstoday.com)

 

The mistake the doctor who posted about them made was linking them to mRNA vaccines.

 

The mistake the doctor who denies they were unusual made was mistaking them for something non-fibrous and non-amyloid plaque like.

 

Sedimentary deposits after death are not going to fibrous and amyloid plaque like, there is no blood flow to grow the fibrous, plaque like white something and it's far too large to be deposited without the circulatory system running.

 

There is a temporal link to SARS-Cov-2, but lots of research needs to be done before you can say it's linked to mRNA vaccine or anything else.

 

Jumping the gun and saying it's linked to mRNA vaccines is just going to get the medical professionals backs up and put them in defensive mode, like the Chula doctor here.

 

Dr. John Campbell is correct, this is a recent phenomenon and we need to get to the bottom of it.

 

I agree except for the medical professional part. This will be true of those following the narrative but not of all medical professionals. It will also get all those protecting the narrative through things like censorship, defunding, threats against employment and of course those who blindly follow and accept said narrative reacting against any challenge. These clots are new and need serious investigation as to their cause as does the cause of excess deaths over and above that of excess deaths attributed to Cov19.

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

There were a large number of excess deaths from Covid in 2021. Most of these excess deaths were among the unvaccinated.

 

Your the one who always calls for citations so where's one for this. As for excess deaths, deaths attributed to covid are of both vaccinated and unvaccinated. The concern is the excess deaths over and above those attributed to covid.

7 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Right back at you on this one. Follow the science, not YouTubbers.

What if the youtubers are following the science and governments aren't.

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You sound like someone pointing out a seatbelt-caused death to warn people about using seatbelts.

 

You know, back in the day, Yellow fever used to kill lots of people, due to mosquitos from swamps. So, the swamps were cleansed of mosquitos and many lives were saved. But a few people died cleansing those swamps.

 

You seem to have a cognitive issue understanding the difference between a handful of people dying during the prevention process and millions of people dying from a disease.

Do you know what this means? If not look it up. Ad hominem. 

1 minute ago, Dolf said:

I had Moderna after reading it offered the best protection and was safe. 1161 out of millions is low.

Fairly sure the families who have lost people because of MRnA vaccines would love to meet you in person to discuss this low number with you. Also the thousands of those injured by the vaccines. Fair chance they wouldn't see things the way you do.

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

What's the ratio between deaths from Covid vaccines vs deaths from Covid?

Not the point. The vaccines we are told are safe and effective. People dying and being injured certainly questions the safety aspect.

4 minutes ago, Dolf said:

All medicines can kill. Even water can kill you. Why aren't they investigating water? 

All medicines come with warnings and dosage. Correct use should not kill. p.s. putting a laughing emoji at the end of your own comment doesn't make it funny. More of a reflection on the poster.

6 minutes ago, Dolf said:

No vaccine has a high death rate. All very small, less than the actual diseases. 

 

If you believe otherwise why aren't people dropping like flies?

Ah! But maybe some have a higher death rate and injury rate than others. As for people dropping like flies there should be no people dropping at all. Again it would be interesting to know what is causing excess deaths around the world. Something not being investigated by governments. Back to the OP it would also be interesting to know what's causing these rubbery, white clots found in arteries.

12 minutes ago, proton said:

Yours also, but he's no expert and you are just speculating what his teaching consisted of.

12 minutes ago, proton said:

Yours also, but he's no expert and you are just speculating what his teaching consisted of.

Sorry about the double quote.

If you have a PhD it puts you in the field of expert. 

An expert can be believed, by virtue of credentials, training, education, profession, publication or experience, to have special knowledge of a subject beyond that of the average person, sufficient that others may officially (and legally) rely upon the individual's opinion on that topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert

Campbell has all of the above. 

By the way he has had professors on his channel. Now please say they are not experts.

30 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

If doctors recommend them, sure.

Depends who you are, where you are and who's the doctor but there's a good chance that if your healthy and have no serious underlying health issues doctors won't recommend them. USA may be different. I think they still recommend jabs for babies. 

3 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Spot on, some see 'Dr' and 'Phd' and think that's an unquestionable source, no matter how far away his research was years ago from what he's talking about today. Digital media and teaching have nothing to do with corona viruses or vaccines. Campbell is just another digital opportunist cashing in on peoples worries.

He teaches or taught clinical nursing. Part of this of course would be viruses, bacteria and vaccines and how they work. I am 100% sure that his knowledge in this regard far, far outweighs yours.

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

from your link:

 

"Still, the team says the absolute risk of developing any one of the condition remains small. For instance, 13 billion doses of vaccines have been administered and there have only been 2,000 cases of all conditions."

 

This may be less than for unvaccinated people.

How many injuries or deaths were not investigated I wonder. How many were put down to natural causes? These are valid questions.

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

You have a link for that assertion?

You are joking? Google excess deaths. Go look at our world in data or worldometer. Think for yourself. Investigate. Research.