7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Listen to the experts. Not the misinformation peddlers.

I agree but IMO the experts were silenced and the misinformation peddlers are those who pushed the narrative and forced populations into conformity NOT based on evidence based science. Lockdowns were a perfect example of this.

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

For example:

 

Paper claiming ‘extensive’ harms of COVID-19 vaccines to be retracted

February 19, 2024

 

A journal is retracting a paper on the purported harms of vaccines against COVID-19 written in part by authors who have had similar work retracted before.

 

The article, “COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines: Lessons Learned from the Registrational Trials and Global Vaccination Campaign,” appeared late last month in Cureus, which used to be a stand-alone journal but is now owned by Springer Nature. (It has appeared frequently in these pages.)

 

Graham Parker, Director of Publishing and Customer Success at Cureus, told Retraction Watch:

I can confirm we will be retracting it by the end of the week, as we have provided the authors with a deadline to reply and indicate whether they agree or disagree with the retraction.

https://retractionwatch.com/2024/02/19/paper-claiming-extensive-harms-of-covid-19-vaccines-to-be-retracted/

 

 

Exactly. Great example. Cheers. The vaccines "purportedly" have caused deaths, injuries, blood clots, been found in multiple organs in the body, been found in mothers milk all puportedly of course. 

18 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

n other circles, there's plenty of opportunity to debate and assess all the things you mention. But real scientists and researchers are very capable of distinguishing differing views on factual, credibly derived info vs. outright unsupported and misleading claims based on junk so-called science by those with long track records of documented misinformation.

Many real doctors and scientists were threatened if the didn't follow the narrative. People lost employment because they didn't want to be jabbed. This is not democracy. Again I say that going against the claim that the jabs were safe and effective as claimed was a consipracy theory in the early days. Now it's a fact. And you keep going on about misinformation well here's some for you...

28 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"Alternate views on the vaccine" translating into discredited, unsupported and flawed or misleading claims put forth mostly by a variety of figures with extensive histories of misinformation..."

How about efficacy debate. Censored. Safety debate. Censored. Possible other treatments. Censored. Any negative comment about the vaccines. Censored. All were called conspiracy theories. The only narrative allowed was the one supporting the vaccines. This is not how it should be in a democratic system where freedom of speech is one of the main underpinnings.

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

In his YT video, Campbell's repeated questioning claims that the clots reported by Hirschman only began with the arrival of COVID vaccines in 2021, but not prior in 2020 during the first year of the pandemic. So that's exactly what he's insinuating in his video.

 

 

So. Insinuation and statement are two different things. He's simply questioning if there is a causal link. Is there? Maybe, maybe not but what is certain is that independant investigation is required.

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

More rubbishing of this recycled old anti-vax misinformation:

 

No clear evidence that COVID vaccines are responsible for strange blood clots observed by embalmers

 

February 9, 2022

 

• A handful of embalmers claim they started noticing strange blood clots in bodies after the COVID-19 pandemic began, with some attributing it to the vaccine.

• The National Funeral Directors Association said embalmers in its network have noticed an uptick in blood clots in COVID-related deaths; however, it has been among the unvaccinated and vaccinated. 

• This anomaly may be the result of the coronavirus itself, since the infection can cause blood vessel inflammation, damage to very small vessels, and blood clots.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/09/newswars/no-clear-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-are-responsibl/

 

 

Again no one has claimed that the vaccines are linked to the white clots. The thing is they are real and there needs to be investgation into the cause. Your last dot point is telling though. The clots are found in arteries not vessels. Blood clots vessels, white clots arteries. Watch the videos and educate yourself before doing your usual cherry picking stunts.

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

As the following FactCheck.org report recounts, Campbell's latest claims about clots found in cadavers, and trying to falsely link those to COVID vaccines, is a recycling of prior debunked claims made in a notorious anti-vax film, as follows:

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-died-suddenly-pushes-bogus-depopulation-theory/

 

Posted on December 1, 2022

 

"The roughly hourlong video repeatedly flashes across the screen what appear to be postmortem blood clots, which are often found in dead bodies. Although such clots are common, the video features nine embalmers and funeral directors who describe the clots as a new anomaly and surmise that they were caused by COVID-19 vaccines."

...

As the camera pans over clot specimens in tubes, Richard Hirschman, a licensed funeral director and embalmer in Alabama featured in the video, asks, “How come, all of a sudden, these things are happening in so many people?” [Hirschman also being one of the main figures interviewed by Campbell in his recent YouTube video].

...

But there is no evidence that the clots are related to vaccination, nor are they necessarily abnormal. Many of the clots shown, in fact, appear to be postmortem clots, or blood clots that form after death, which would have nothing to do with vaccination or why someone died.

...

Some of the clots could be ones that formed prior to death, as blood clots are relatively common, but there is no evidence that COVID-19 mRNA vaccination causes them, as we’ve written."

 

Then the above FactCheck report goes on to cite various sources explaining why the pictured blood clots are normal postmortem occurrences, and that The National Funeral Directors Association had previously told PolitiFact that embalmers had noticed an increase in blood clots among COVID-19-related deaths, including vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

 

In short, just more anti-vax nonsense from Campbell, a documented COVID and COVID vaccines misinformation peddler as cited by various sources linked above.

 

 

Have you watched the videos? My guess is you haven't. I don't think anyone has directly linked these clots with vaccinations but they exist and need to be investigated. If you are going to argue against or discredit someone then you need to know what they are saying not just rely on cherry picked articles.

54 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Both the sun and the moon are round. That's about as valid a comparison as covid is to the cold. Attempts to portray covid as just another cold are politically driven misinformation. Stop it.

Misinformation? I posted (above) with citations, one from the CDC and one from the UK Heat Foundation about the similarites of symptoms. You call this misinformation? I have also stated that SarsCov2, influenza and the common cold are caused by different viruses. They do, however, have overlaping symptoms. This is undeniable. What is also undeniable is Omicron for the vast majority is a mild viral infection andf this is evidenced by very low death rates. The following charts of course do not include comorbidities or vaccinated/unvaccinated details.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/

The 3rd chart is the USA. Overall around 83 deaths out of around 430 million people in a day (yes they are different days but this will have no bearing on the very, very, very.....small number of deaths). This IS NOT misinformation. These are facts.

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Long covid symptoms are very severe. Why are you trying to downplay the severity of covid?

 

Long COVID, the condition where symptoms that surface after recovering from COVID-19 linger for weeks, months, or even years, is still a mystery to doctors and researchers.

The symptoms, such as chronic pain, brain fog, shortness of breath, chest pain, and intense fatigue, can be debilitating. Severe cases of Long COVID can even affect the body’s organs.

 

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/long-covid-symptoms

I sorry that you didn't see that I acknowledged the fact of long covid but you are simply ignoring the fact that there is a commonality of symptoms (EXCLUDING LONG COVID) and that for the vast majority Omicron is a mild viral infection similar to the common cold. Indeed it can be completely asymptomatic. 

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Which viruses don't share most, if not all, of those symptoms? Comparisons between two completely unrelated viruses are not appropriate.

It is appropriate in a discussion about covid where for most people the symptoms are very similar to a common cold i.e non severe.

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Common colds don't result in the kind of long covid symptoms which persist for months.

This is true but isn't doesn't nullify the commonality of symptoms. As for long covid this is still an area that needs more investigation as do so many other areas of concern in regards to Covid19.

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

 

Omicron symptoms.

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/what-are-the-symptoms-of-omicron

Common cold symptoms.

https://www.cdc.gov/antibiotic-use/colds.html

• Sneezing
• Stuffy nose
• Runny nose
• Sore throat
• Coughing
• Mucus dripping down your throat (post-nasal drip)
• Watery eyes
• Fever (although most people with colds do not have fever)

Notice any similarities?

Coronavirus symptoms vs cold

The Omicron variant (the most dominant strain in the UK) has symptoms that are very similar to a cold. Symptoms such as a headache, a sore throat, a runny nose, muscle aches, coughing or sneezing can be symptoms of the Omicron variant, or a cold.  

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-symptoms-cold-flu-or-coronavirus#cold

Not long ago AirAsia had a special. 12% discount. Where I wanted to fly to they put the price up 12% then reduced it by 12%. Airfare exactly the same as before the very generous 12% discount.