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On 7/8/2023 at 9:18 AM, khunPer said:

You might be sure, but you have no proof for your various statements, only your own speculations...????
My balcony railings are by the way 90 cm high on 2nd floor and 1 meter high on 3rd floor...

you don't know how to make a reasoned argument, do you?

10 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

Do not worry.

Rain should stop tomorrow and things should be better by Wednesday.

We had a good downpour Friday night for a couple of hours and now we are back to drizzle.

Samui needs a couple of months of this before we see improvements but as you say, plants are happy.

 

https://www.windguru.cz/30397

It's down to the ratio between storage and consumption.

If consumption is too high - a little rain won't make any difference.

2 hours ago, Neilly said:

Because that's how it gets distributed throughout the island

THe reservoirs are filled with rain water

THey have over the last few years laid down a load of pipes to connect to the undersea pipeline. which is part of the isands supply - so if the rain wter fills up th reserb=voir, where will the water from the pipeline go? - I guess it will just run off.

Apparently Working in Thailand without a work permit is considered a more serious offense than overstaying your visa.

The penalties for working without a work permit are much harsher, including imprisonment of up to 5 years and/or a fine of up to 100,000 baht. Overstaying your visa can result in a fine of up to 20,000 baht and deportation, but you are not likely to be imprisoned.

Overstaying your visa - Fine of up to 20,000 baht and deportation

Working without a work permitIm - prisonment of up to 5 years and/or a fine of up to 100,000 baht

7 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

I question the competence of everyone in this country. 

sadly that says more about you than Thailand

On 7/6/2023 at 2:10 PM, kimamey said:

I think money is a big part of the problem.

 

If you look at all the food delivery drivers, they wear helmets. At least the ones I see are. I don't know for sure but I suspect that's because they have to wear them to get the job and I'd be surprised if the same weren't true for licences. Losing that income due to not wearing a helmet is a big enough financial incentive to wear the helmet.

 

What are often called fines from the police are more accurately bribes and they are priced in the same way as any other service. Enough to to make a decent profit but not so much to stop people from committing the offences and cutting the flow of funds.

 

Make people travel to an office unconnected to the police to pay an adequate fine, thereby separating the police from the money, and things MIGHT improve a bit.

All over the world, it is the poor who fare worst when it comes to road safety.

corruption is a major factor with any institution - it means for a start that people don't get their job on merit, this means that they are often not fully trained or incompetent.

The entire police force needs a reform from the bottom to the top and this includes a fully trained traffic police and crash assessment department - when was the last time you saw a crash report??

The truth is after an accident there is no real study or calibration of what actually happened, just the dreamed up opinion of one or two coppers who weren't even there.

Without this information we can't learn from crashes and put in place measures to prevent them happening again.

E.G. -an accident hotspot isn't somewhere where people suddenly become stupid, there is something wrong with the road design.

In fact there is an Australian organisation looking at this at present, I believe...as are a Swedish government agency.

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On 7/6/2023 at 2:10 PM, kimamey said:

I think money is a big part of the problem.

 

If you look at all the food delivery drivers, they wear helmets. At least the ones I see are. I don't know for sure but I suspect that's because they have to wear them to get the job and I'd be surprised if the same weren't true for licences. Losing that income due to not wearing a helmet is a big enough financial incentive to wear the helmet.

 

What are often called fines from the police are more accurately bribes and they are priced in the same way as any other service. Enough to to make a decent profit but not so much to stop people from committing the offences and cutting the flow of funds.

 

Make people travel to an office unconnected to the police to pay an adequate fine, thereby separating the police from the money, and things MIGHT improve a bit.

ll over the world, it is the poor who fare worst when it comes to road safty.

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

When did you last measure your European balcony?  

Do you think it's changed?

4 hours ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:

I once visited a friend in Pattaya many moons ago. His apartment was on a really high floor, 20+ or something like that. I'm not exaggerating when I say the balcony rail was knee high. Crazy, just crazy. How does something like that get past the drawing board (rhet).

no one looks at the drawing board.....it also makes you wonder about the architect.

39 minutes ago, khunPer said:

TIT...
But my balconies are indeed safe...

I'm sure that's what every hotelier would say too

On 7/6/2023 at 4:05 AM, Neilly said:

Yes it does go into a sump (header tank)...it is then pumped from the header tank to the reservoirs. The header tank and pumps are 500mtrs up the road from my house

can't see the point of putting it in the reservoirs as it is just r=taking the place of water that had previously been stored there.

11 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I was reffering to selfie attemots while actually sitting atop a balcony railing, which is clearly reckless.

If the rail is higher it's less likely that people will be able to sit on it.

As previously said safety concerns should take into account inebriation - especially in holiday accommodation.

Not reckless in most cases - What you are looking at is not wildly aberrant behaviour but the normal range of human error- this is why in Europe they have a higher minimum level. 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I did, my "railings" are 93cm, which exceeds the 90cm Thailand code, as well as the 91.5cm code in some US states. 

 

Have you measured yours?

 

 

Apparently low railing are a problem in the US too.

Yes, falls from balconies where the rails are too low are common in the USA. According to a study by the National Electronic Injury Surveillance System (NEISS), there were an estimated 20,000 falls  2019.

 1,500 resulted in serious injuries.

Thry found that the most common cause of falls was people leaning over the railing to get a better view.

Other causes included people sitting or standing on the railing, people jumping from one balcony to another, and people being pushed or pulled over the railing.

All of this is less likely with higher railings.

The study also found that the risk was highest amongst young adults, people who were intoxicated, and people who were not familiar with the balcony.

risks are increased if  balconies aren't clear of furniture and other objects that could be used to climb over the railing or raise the CoG of a person

US recommends extra rails in the balconies are high above the ground.

Of course little of this applies in Thailand.

35 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Different from state to state in the U.S. 

 

How high is your balcony, or are you too scared you'll fall off to measure it? 

 

most states follow international lines

Height: According to the International Residential Code (IRC), which is generally adopted by most U.S. cities, decks more than 30-inches above the ground require railings at least 36-inches in height measured from the deck’s surface to the top of the rail.

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Would definitely be considered reckless and excluded on that ground.

 

In most cases insurer will not know the precise way the fall occurred though. This sort of reckless behavior often occurs in conjunction with intoxication.  Likely the insurer in question either had a "balcony exclusion"  or went by the blood dlbohol level.

 

 

 

a selfie accident could occur from a slippery floor - the problem being the centre of gravity on a lower rail is all wrong and the person is more likely to topple over the rail.

28 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Different from state to state in the U.S. 

 

How high is your balcony, or are you too scared you'll fall off to measure it? 

 

I don't have a balcony in Thailand.

In Europe its 1.1

What is your point?

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I did, my "railings" are 93cm, which exceeds the 90cm Thailand code, as well as the 91.5cm code in some US states. 

 

Have you measured yours?

 

 

that's way too low - in Europe it's 1.1

In commercial buildings it is 106 in the USA.

13 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Parliament meets on 13 July.

 

Pita and MFP are blocked by the Senate.

 

Protests on evening of 13 July.

 

Parliament meets again on 19 and 20 July.

 

Pita and MFP continue to be blocked by Senate.

 

Protests continue and increase.

 

State of Emergency declared on morning of 21 July.

 

Protests continue.

 

Caretaker government remains in power under S of E indefinitely.

 

"It's a coup Jim, but not as you know it!"

It would be very difficult for the military-backed government to claim any form of mandate after that.

Another election? ..or a coup?

9 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

It's a myth. Are their low railings? Probably. Is it common? No. 

It's alomst universal - measure you railings

5 hours ago, khunPer said:

Yes, I designed all my balconies myself...

...and the sizes are within regulations?

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Does it get to the point where a travel insurer adds 'balcony height' to the exclusions of a policy ?

i.e. exclusion for balcony falls where the balcony is less than 1.1m in height or made of xxx materials etc... 

 

Of course, not yet.... BUT...  could the insure blame the injured party for 'risky behaviour' when entering out onto a balcony that is of 'sub-standard' height.... 

 

Clearly such exclusions do not yet exist, but how long before they do ???? 

 

 

you just seem to be making up clauses insurance policies off the top of your head?

I have a friend who doesn't drink. 

He was standing on the deck of a bungalow, about 3 or 4 feet above the ground.

THey had just cleaned his room and washed the balcony.

A slight movement and he plummeted over the rails to the ground below hitting the corner of the steps on the way down and ended up in hospital with 3 broken ribs and bleeding on the lung. this was because th friction quality of the tiles was non-existant and the railing was too low.