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Andrew Dwyer
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That would suppose that you get a Non-O Multiple Entry,
but they are not easily available for everyone.
By example the Thai Embassy in France delivers Non-O on Single-Entry only.
The option then is Non O-A, but they require money 800k in a Thai bank...
For applications for O-A the money can be in any bank, I.e. your home country.
Note: that applies for the UK , not sure about other countries.
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Thailand doesn't want warm and friendly retirees, it wants people who can support themselves financially and hopefully support their wife's family as well, if they are married. That is a very sad state of affairs, but it is real.
You say that everyone is equal but in Thailand there are two kinds of people: people with money and people without. There is zero welfare for foreigners, nor should I imagine that there will ever be.
If you can't meet these basic financial requirements, you should go somewhere else.
That may sound harsh, but is the stark truth of the country and better that people understand this than have some kind of rose-tinted view of something that does not exist.
To get back to the original point, I was only trying to point out that the new deposit requirements are quite reasonable, and if someone cannot meet them at the later stages of their life then there are other places for them to go. Criticise all you want but I am just saying how it is in an effort to stop people from deluding themselves. Things have slowly been getting worse for years now, and it seems like the trend will only continue.
If you can meet the requirements, then Thailand is a beautiful country with lovely people and food, just watch out for the grumpy ex-pats! [emoji2]
If you retired here on false promises and a paltry pension, I'm sorry about that, but there are lots of things you can do to improve your situation.
A rational and educated post .
Without the in yer face attitude you have summed it up nicely, a shame you resorted to abuse earlier, this is much better.
Can’t fault your argument on this post .-
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Yes to all the above.
Do check out your landlord first , if he requires you to conceal any holes upon leaving bear in mind that matching the colour is not always as easy as it sounds.
If the wall is concrete drill a small hole first ( around 3mm ) to stop the finish drill size wandering.
On the plus side , I learnt a new word today “ spackled “ !-
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Reggie Perrin strikes again ?
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Just seen an email dated today pm from a key Pattaya agent that says the the new requirements apply to new applicants only.
Have not seen an official announcement yet.
Just saying what I have seen.
Yes , that was mentioned yesterday, Key Visa ?
The general consensus was it’s not correct as “ grandfathering “ was only mentioned for people on consecutive retirement extensions since 1998 .
I hope it’s true but very much doubt it .-
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85-year-old Biker Bob was requested by his doctor for a sperm count as part of his physical exam. The doctor gave the man a jar and said, ‘Take this jar home and bring back a semen sample tomorrow. ’
The next day Bob reappeared at the doctor’s office and gave him the jar, which was as clean and empty as on the previous day.
The doctor asked what happened and the old biker explained, 'Well you see, doc, it’s like this. “First I tried with my right hand, but nothing. Then I tried with my left hand, but still nothing. Then I asked my old lady for help. She tried with her right hand, then with her left, still nothing. She tried with her mouth, first with the teeth in, then with her teeth out, still nothing. 'We even called up Sally, the Gal next door and she tried too, first with both hands, then an armpit, and she even tried squeezin’ it between her knees, but still nothing.’ The doctor was shocked! 'You asked your neighbor?'
Bob replied, 'Yep, none of us could get that damn jar open.’-
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The Wacky Farang having a meltdown at Immigration would be a good idea for an episode !
He is accompanied by his village idiot/yaaba selling/moto cy taxi/brother in law who speaks pigeon English to match perfectly with WF’s pigeon Thai.
Lots of missunderstanding , innuendo and general confusion abounds as the pair make the situation worse with loud voices, tears and general mayhem !!
Plenty of opportunities for boings/whoops/bells and whistles on this one I think.
At one point WF gets so exasperated he eats his passport !
The episode could finish with WF’s gf and ladyboy mia noi both entering heavily pregnant and accusing the WF of desertion !!
As the titles roll a dozen midget cops enter and run around aimlessly, running into themselves and falling down, maybe some custard pies and buckets of confetti thrown in for good measure ?, ala Keystone Kops !
This all came to me in a dream !!
Really must cut back on the cheese !-
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Instead of calling it a retirement visa why don’t we just call it :
An extension of your permission to stay permit based on an O-A Multiple Entry ( Long Stay ) Visa.
Much easier [emoji848]-
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Andrew I am thinking of changing to an OA visa next year as I spend 4 or so months in the UK. I am curious you stated that the medical could be done in Thailand. As far as I was aware it had to be done in the country of application?
As an aside the Thai consulate in the UK are changing to online applications on April 1st ( not a joke) with documents being submitted electronically. Its not clear if postal applications will be accepted. Also the visa fee is going up to £150 along with all the other visas.
Jim, I got my OA in Oct 2016 , I was already living in Thailand so printed out the medical form ( which is in Thai and English ) and decided to get a medical done here as it was so cheap ( 360 baht ). I was also unsure if it needed to be from the Uk so got a letter from my gp as well.
As it turns out my gp’s letter was rejected and I used the Thai medical certificate.
It was an inspired move and saved me a lot of trouble. !!
I did read about the Thai Embassy going to online applications, but haven’t read up on it much as I haven’t decided whether to go that route or not.-
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Yeap....totally agree...preaching to the choir I know. The basic visa fee is the cheap part....it's the airfare, possible hotel bill, and just all the other costs associated with getting all the required docs and just making a long trip. And let's not forget the time and effort which can take a toll on one's body and mind.
I know some make it sound easy since they just happen to go back every year or two...the Thai embassy happens to be close by, and every thing is made to sound like a piece of cake in getting a new O-A visa. But those folks are the exceptions.
Yup, it works out expensive but is a good option to steer clear of the new rules.
Visa -£125
Police clearance -£45
Medical - (can be in Thailand ) £8
Docs notified - around £5 per doc.
Flights, if not already going to visit.
Hotel, if not staying local.
Transport, if necessary ( in my case , coach was cheapest from North )
I visit every 6 months or so, so worth considering in my case .
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I just get in and do everything I can to get out as quick as possible, nor do I want to hold up the queue behind me. I always figure they don't know any more than anybody else!
So do I jack, i just think it would be interesting to see if the various immigration offices have actually been updated with the new rules.
How many know.
How many don’t know.
How many just pretend they know when actually don’t know.
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How many just make some sh1t up to stop people asking. !!-
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Given these new rules seem to have been pulled out of a hat just a few days ago, no one has much of a clue on the particulars. Not least immigration, who (as the thread title mentions) are bewildered.
Hopefully every expat who visits their local immigration is quizzing their IO’s about the new ruling .
Should bring some interesting replies I think [emoji848]-
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Jeez how many times do we have to repeat that :Yes 2 months on first extension and then 3 thereafter for all other extensions ....
Just once more [emoji848]
2 months on first................
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Tell me Big Joke why do a retired person here have to keep 400,000 baht in the bank all year long and 800,000 in the bank for 5 of those months while a married expat only has to have 400,000 in the bank to season for a few months a year. Why do I as a retiree need to have more money than a married person who supports his family, her family and half the village need less money then I do?
Maybe he thinks the wife is earning 33,333 baht a month ??
Seriously though, I’ve never understood the ruling.-
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My thought also which is why I am wondering if a fixed deposit account would be accepted.
A couple of posters have stated that a FD account is accepted.
Seems like my next move, 800,000 in an FD account and live off a savings account.-
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Lopburi office opened about 8 years, and money has always been seasoned for 3 months, I have said why not 2 months like other offices, they said here is 3 months.
So now can not touch the money for 6 months.
It is ( currently) 2 months for the first extension then 3 months after that.
The new ruling ( starting March 1st ) states 2 months before renewal then 3 months after , although this is not etched in stone and could well be 3 before and 3 after .
Whatever the ruling confusion will abound and no doubt some IO’s will interpret the rules differently.-
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You may be lucky enough to be able tie up 800,000 Baht for five months every year without needing to spend of it, in which case bully for you.
There might be others who have committed themselves to Thailand by buying themselves a condo to enjoy their retirement in, so don’t have a spare 800,000 Baht they can leave untouched in the bank.
There might be those who’ve retired here under the previous conditions and didn’t expect the goalposts to be moved.
One wonders if those who can demonstrate they have the current required monthly income might be the next to have the goalposts moved.
For the life of me I really don’t understand the reasoning for needing to leave 800,000 Baht in the bank for five months of the year when it’s supposed to be evidence that you have sufficient to live on.
Actually 6 months, 3 before and 3 after renewal.
The only “ grandfathering “ which appears to be allowed is for people here since 1998 and over 60 years old ( back in 1998 I assume) , they are allowed 200,000 but I doubt many fit the requirements. -
not seasoned, in , update book and out via ATM transfer, do not update bank book , show
rinse repeat
Don’t you read the OP ?, you have to show a bank statement !
No mention of passbook !
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So how do you suppose you confirm that you have 800k in the bank?
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New financial regulations for retirees: Nearly a third of expats may have to leave - but half on Facebook say they're off!
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Okay, I didn’t know that.
An unfortunate ruling in this situation.