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4 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I am not comparing cultures...I am comparing hookers. And they don't have to go on the game here in anyway. What makes you think "they have no choi" because they told you that? lol. The unemployment rate here is one of the lowest in the world. That's where you are deluding yourself. Is it a better life style for them as a hooker or is it preferable to working in a factory? that would be up to the person. And this is where I am not making judgements. It would certainly be preferable to working on a farm. 

'The unemployment rate here is one of the lowest in the world. That's where you are deluding yourself.'

That's hilarious, i guess you need to research up on that 'fact'

The average wage for those actually employed is about 22,00 baht, not easy to live on.

6 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

A delusional person who probably doesn't live in Thailand....certainly never lived in a village and will perhaps learn the hard way. You my friend are the sort of guy they target. The knights in shining armor thinking they are saving the girl, when the last thing she wants is to be saved,,,,,even though that's not what she said. I would have agreed with you 10 years ago. Poor little things putting up with those horrible sweaty old men. How is it different back home lol? You think there aren't people grow up in broken homes, bad backgrounds and live in or near poverty wherever you come from? They are not judgements by the way, they are facts.

Ive lived in Thailand and so has my family. Ive never tried to 'save' anyone.

'Poor little things putting up with those horrible sweaty old men. How is it different back home lol? You think there aren't people grow up in broken homes, bad backgrounds and live in or near poverty wherever you come from? They are not judgements by the way, they are facts.'

 You cant compare your home to Thailand thats the biggest mistake people make when living in Thailand, like apples and oranges. Go to parts of Northern India and you wont even be let into shops, let alone touch anyone. No Thailand is not quite like that but its closer than what you are used to in your home country.

If you are from UK/ US and from a bad background or broken home you dont have to go on the game to get a decent wage, there are plenty of options, in fact if you dont work and have kids you get given a home and a wage. That doesn't happen in 3rd world countries.

8 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

It is not exactly like that. And not making any judgements here as not to sure if I was a good looking girl with little hope living in poverty if I wouldn't be doing the same thing. There is plenty of work for them in factories etc and that's what normal girls do. Can earn up to 15-20k per month with OT. Very, very small percentage of Isaan girls become hookers and the ones that do are no different from the hookers back home. Lazy, broken. Attraction of what seems like an easy glamorous life and easy money. They aren't generally good human beings toiling away and being exploited to send money back to their families. Normal deal is they leave a kid in the village....mum or grandma looks after the kid and girls sends back around 2000-3000 baht a month for the kids upkeep....which the grandparents normally p$$ up the wall on gambling or grog. The rest the girl p$$es up the wall herself. Everyone happy. The kid grows up with abandonment issues, broken in some way and thus the cycle continues

You say you are not making any judgement, yet the the last few sentences are exactly that. Yes its a desperate life either way but to suggest all the parents and grand parents are drunks and the kid has no hope is not realistic of what happens.

Prostitution is a very different scene back home, for eg if i took a girl bar girl out in Phuket, everyone there is going to know i picked her up and am paying for the priveledge, they will also be from the north so any resident or southern girl is going to really look down on this girl from the north. However if i hired an escort in the UK no one would have any idea she was on the game, no waitress or anyone would talk down to her and no one would realise i was paying her. So to make comparisons of what are to very different situations.

3 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I think those stories are fantasy. A hot looking girl with her head screwed on its possible but generally from what I have heard first hand 20-30k a month.....at best. They are out of action for at least a few days of the month, then they are sick here and there and like most Thais have a win or get a big tip and have a few days off. Then the cost of living in these areas isn't cheap. Not to mention they pi$$ it away on gambling etc as fast as they make it. None of them I have ever met usually have more than a few changes of underwear and that is girls working for at least a few years. Have a look at the cheap clothes, phones and bags they have. Never usually have even a motorbike.

I am not saying it's not possible for the smart sharp ones to make some coin but its not the norm in my experience. Having lived in villages I can see how at first they may think its glamorous but it's not a good life for them. very dog eat dog particularly with their co workers. Ever seen them fighting in the soi? Then every night or most nights they are back to a room with a stranger. That has to be scary on some level. they must see some attraction in it though as that's where most of them seem to end up again, even after marrying a decent bloke and having a family.

For the average bar girl yes this is the case, but certainly not high end go go bar girls and some of the smart bar girls, whom some are getting 3 x 30k from foreignors straight into their bank account and they are not even here.

The top go go dancers can and will do at least 3 or 4 customers per night, if they are Japanese customers then they can easily claw in 20 - 30k per night. Ok they might not be able to do it every night but they dont need to. Work hard for a week or two and then holidays with your monies. Easily done for many.

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There is one little detail which you don't mention: What's the alternative?

For many girls the alternative is to get f@$#54 by their Thai bf who is possibly drunk and just comes from another girl.

If the girls have the alternative of a drunk Thai guy who wants money or drunk farangs who pay money then the decision is not so difficult.

And yes, I know there are also nice Thai guys who take care of their girls - at least in theory they should exist.

scummy options which ever way they look, from the north and no education, they have no hope of making it so have the accept the tripe that is on offer!

Always seems to relate to money rather than health!

''In the first quarter of 2022, when the Omicron variant emerged'' Lol what an impact that had!

On 6/16/2022 at 10:24 AM, transam said:

Your first para doesn't sound right.  ????

 

ok what i meant was, I was a tourist but gave them the impression that i was looking for somewhere to buy and to stay their permanently. There was nothing in my passport that related to how long or why i was staying there.

On a different note i also managed to get a tax file number for working purposes whilst i was  in Australia for 6 months even though i was on a tourist visa there.

Anything possible even if its not supposed to be done.

On 6/9/2022 at 10:58 AM, richard_smith237 said:

It would have just been easier for you to write “If you don’t like it go home” !!! .... 

 

Your response is that of a door-mat.

 

But, my Wife and many of my friends are Thai, they also voice their opinion that the believe dual pricing is wrong... I suppose you’ll fund a way to suggest that their options are valueless because they know a foreigner !!!!

 

And... I am allow to work in Thailand, I have worked in Thailand many times.. 

It’s taken me a matter of days to secure a work permit (not me, but the company I’ve worked for) when ever I’ve worked in Thailand. 

 

For you it may normal to look down and expect the worst of others, but I like Thailand, I expect better things and would like to see Thailand develop into the modern world when it comes to these ‘official attitudes’ which are currently somewhat antiquated and appear uneducated. 

 

Additionally, why do you think I’m frustrated... I have an opinion thats all.

Do you let your opinions get you frustrated and spoil your day ? - don’t project !

 

 

Are you really suggesting we should not develop opinions of something we do not agree because it has happened long before we were here??....    You’re on the wrong side of history for that one (just think of any rights movements down to simple letters of petition). 

 

Additionally,  forums such as this highlight opinion....  The TM30 regulations were altered because people voiced opinions... Now many of use have it a tiny bit easier because of that. 

 

Your comments have not in anyway or form justified dual pricing, but they haves simply highlighted that fecklessness is your modus-operandi. 

 

 

 The thing i have found with Thailand is you will do better to accept there way of living and culture rather than trying to change it. The pricing structure encourages the parks to be used by nationals of Thailand...is it a national park.

There are clubs in the UK that you cannot join if you live outside of a certain post code so its a service offered to locals than others from outside cannot visit or participate in, end of story.

Let me guess your Thai friends are at least 90% women if not 100% of course they will agree with you. You are the boss at the end of the day. When you bring this up with Thais you are more than likely coming across as sounding slightly obnoxious, they wont call you out on it, however be aware you are a visitor and respect the country that you now live in.

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You’ll be happy to pay for than me or anyone else then for the exactly the same item, meal, service, process or attraction ??

 

OR, is it only Thai’s in Thailand that you are happy to pay more than ?.. 

Are you happy to pay more than extremely wealthy Thai’s for the same thing ?

 

 

WRONG, many of us are residents with families and a life here...  we own property, cars, have children at schools here...     

 

We're comparing policy and the morality of that policy....   Its attitudes that are being compared.

 

This is a discussion forum where opinions are discussed, or do you think everyone should just keep an opinion to themselves on and not contribute this forum ?

 

Additionally, just because people have an opinion and voice it, that does not mean they are whining or getting frustrated - they are just voicing an opinion. 

 

I don’t like dual pricing, where reasonable I don’t tolerate it, but I don't let it upset me or my day. But, I will contribute to a thread such as this and voice my negative opinion of the practice along with others. 

 

I’m actually quite interested in why people think its acceptable. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Entitlement and expectations.

You could live there as long as you like and have as many children as you want, you are still a visitor to that country and the vast majority of people will always treat you like that.

You are not allowed to work there, own land yet with you think you are entitled to the same conditions and respect as a local within that country?

The roles reversed and of course the UK or US (or wherever you are from) anyone coming to this country can not only can work, set up a business can even claim monetary assistance.

Of course we have our attitudes and they have there's.

The issues seem to arise from people having too high an expectation and then become frustrated when this is not met.

This has gone on for longer than you have lived here for and continues to do so, so why try and change something that you were already well aware of before you decided to live or visit there?

This is like teaching women how to get an abortion rather than teach them about safe sex.

Its great they are learning CPR but surely swimming is first, then how do deal with any difficulties whilst swimming (First thing is on your back and hand under the chin to swim the one that has gotten into difficulty in the water, then CPR.

2 hours ago, Thunglom said:

So you are not in a position to comment.

Of course I am, I opppse the statement and there's nothing wrong with paying more than a local for certain services.

You are a visitor in another country, a 3rd world one at that. You can't keep comparing your country to theirs.

Stop whinging you won't change anything only frustrate yourself.

On 6/7/2022 at 9:50 AM, Thunglom said:

Read my posts - I'm seriously concerned about how the national parks are managed, and as I've already said, the dual pricing system is a manifestation of the overall mismanagement of the nation; parks.

you realise that this is not the only way the parks are funded?

 

I'm not interested in how the nations parks are funded and i don't care about paying a few quid to get into one.

Its Thailand the whole place is 'mismanaged'

5 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Same with building services, car repair, Homepro equipment haggling, markets of course. 

Perhaps they view us as complete mugs that need to be taken advantage of!????

22 hours ago, Thunglom said:

Your assessment is completely wrong. A study back in 2007 showed that the dual pricing deterred visitors.

It also isn't cheap - a couple of days in ANY national park, whether a waterfall of the biggest in the country is otfen more expensive than staying in a 4 star hotel.... and ten there is accommodation on top.

the fact is that no-one cares amongst visitors because they don't want to go with the dual pricing. If it was removed it is predicted visitor numbers would increase and income for national parks themselves would increase.

You are aware how the parks are funded?

Basically it isn't by entrance fees alone, they have government finding. Unfortunately any new parks have been set up and opened but the overall funding isn't increased. Wages for employees are so low that often the only way they cn survive is by accepting bribesfrom or helping poachers and other illegal activity.

 

The NPs are the last remaining major natural resource at Thailand's disposal and the need to be competently and professionally managed for conservation - dual pricing is just one symptom of how the entire National Park Sytem is mismanaged and damages both the country's conservation effects and reputation as a tourist destination.

 

PS - I first visited Thailand in the early 1990s and lived and worked there for nearly 20 years. I've stayed at NPs all over the country and taken people on tours there - one of the main obstacles has always been sorting out the fees for visiting or staying there.

''The NPs are the last remaining major natural resource at Thailand's disposal and the need to be competently and professionally managed for conservation''

Surely you should be happy to contribute a few dollars to something you seem pretty passionate about? They are national parks for national people, if you are a vistitor that wishes to see it then pay a a few quid and be happy you are contributing to the upkeep of these beautiful places.

37 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

It's not a view it's the reality and how Orange County allowed them certain concessions. The truth if the matter is it happens in very few places in the US, where here its an everyday occurrence whether buying food off o

38 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

It's not a view it's the reality and how Orange County allowed them certain concessions. The truth if the matter is it happens in very few places in the US, where here its an everyday occurrence whether buying food off of a cart or travelling to a park or other venue.  Tell me I am wrong....

You seem to have a neutral view on cheaper prices for locals as opposed to outer state visitors in the US.

However travel to a 3rd world country and you will criticize any regime that would charge locals less than tourists (Mainly coming from affluent 1st world countries)

Its not wrong just a little confusing. why would you NOT want to give them a little bit more, especially considering the prices are much lower than equivalent excursions on your home country/

34 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

EXPATS - as a n expat I used to frequently talk my way into national parks at "local" rate but this has since been clamped down on y the higher echelons.

the. thing is although passes for expats would be very nice, they don't actually address the problem.

Single pricing would open up a Thai natural resource for TOURISM - and that would have an impact on income.

It is of course, a double edged source as Thailand would then have to pull their finger out and start managing the parks in such a way that they can cope with higher visitor numbers (v Australia).

The parks could be an important part of the tourist industry so long as te authorities don't "shoot" in their own nest, as they tend to do with most natural resources.

Apart from a few folk on here that live in Thailand and have thai wives / gf no one else cares or could care a less about 'dual pricing' Its cheap anyway so just pay and get on with it.

Ive been Thailand many many times with many different people and no ones ever moaned about 'dual 'pricing' If you go somewhere with a Thai and its cheaper just think of if it as you getting an overall discount on the bill. If you'll started whinging like you do on here, no one would want to go with you anyway so the bill will be even cheaper! Joke.

8 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

No it's not.  Non resident pricing for Disneyland and some places like it have always been done as locals go more often, but you do not pay more to go to a museum or national park....nice try.

'Non resident pricing for Disneyland and some places like it have always been done as locals go more often'

Haha what a totally conflicting view, its ok if its 'Non resident pricing', but higher prices for people that dont even live in the Country is totally wrong huh!? Bizarre view on things you have there!

1 hour ago, worgeordie said:

Banksy ....he is not, catch him, deport him ,he can graffiti his own

country.

regards Worgeordie

Funny how only Banksy is endorsed as an acceptable graffiti artist even though he uses stencils and a spray can!

They both should be locked up for causing damage to property that is not theres!

Not a particularly discreet or bright smuggler, little too much produce methinks!

Are these type of shrines sponsored by the diabetic society? why on earth would you offer essentially a toxic drink to what you perceive as the highest order. Well at least its better than actually being drunk, as its an offering.

Totally bizarre.

When you end up living in Thailand, the locals will all start to find out whether or not you are a wet blanket or not.

Word soon gets around all departments, taxis drivers, shop owners, massage places that once you have been taken advantage of they will all want a bit (mainly in ref to the hire shop juts not giving back your deposit)

You might be better off in quiter places, pattaya is a dump and not a great fit for the majority of falangs who either holiday or visit there.

Dont get me wrong i have had some great nights in WS but also seen some hideous things.

Its an experience thats for sure but appreciatte its a bad fit for most / older / naive falangs