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3 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Wrong again - you'd be well advised to fully read all posts before commenting. I don't have difficulties when travelling - this was the first time its been so bad in 20 years. This is not a busy time - its almost low season. Christmas was far busier and the only problem I had then was with the Mor Chana App and a hospital that couldn't get its act together for the Day 7 test. No problems with the airline, no excessive queues, PCR result within 6 hours, etc. etc.

'This is not a busy time - its almost low season. '

Where on earth are you referring to, not everyone travelling through London is going to Thailand. Its Easter time and also the middle east is certainly not in its low season!

All the models on seasonal travel are out of the window during this past year. Most that normally goes to Thailand at Xmas did not go then and are now going (yes out of season)

21 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'll help you because you seem to be more intent on flippancy than knowledge. 

BKK-AMS-LON is not a direct flight from BKK to LON.

 

BKK-LON... 

 

EVA - No

British Airways - No

Thai Airways - A couple of times per week and have recently cancelled a lot of flights (not trustworthy)

Scoot - A couple of times per week - They are a budget airline, I wouldn’t trust them. 

 

So... the ‘direct option’ is not quite as simple, you may have checked this before pulling the trigger and posting a silly response....  Additionally, not everyone wants to or can readily afford to pay business class, again, you may have considered this before posting a flippant response. 

 

 

The Op has a valid complaint - Long check-in times are extremely poor planning / baggage delays again, poor planning. 

 

It seems Covid has been used as an excuse by a lot of companies to cut a load of staff - these same companies had been slow to bring people back into the fold as things pickup, poor planning again. 

 

 

Thanks for letting me know that a flight from BKK - LHR via Amsterdam is not a direct flight. ( a real eye opener)

Also however i take your point that some of the airlines are not flying direct but there are still direct flights.

Also you dont need to pay business class levels in order to not be in economy. Eva for eg, book premium economy and you can check in at 1st class checkin, no queues!

21 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

And add 6 hours to my journey? No thanks.

 

Not true - note my comments about the Qatar business class check in.

Tbh im not surprised you have difficuluties when travelling, or just like moaning about travelling during a busy time.

Of course if you are flying direct (non economy) you dont fly Qatar, choose another airline (not the busiest one lol))

1 minute ago, KhaoYai said:

Well in 20 years of travelling mostly in economy, I haven't ever had to wait 2 hours for my bags.  I also usually arrive at check in early and don't have to wait for hours to check in.

 

When I fly with Etihad I am able to use business class check in - that wouldn't have made much difference this time. There were around 40 people queueing at Qatar business class - something I've never seen with Etihad.

As mentioned the middle east (abu dhabi / doha) is extremely busy area at the moment and choosing to fly through there at this time is going to be hectic.

Only way i would travel was a direct flight, more airports = more potential problems.

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Which airlines are flying direct ? Bangkok to London ?

 

Would you buy a ticket with any of them at the moment ? 

 

 

 

Yes Bangkok to London or Amsterdam.

To get where you need to go.

17 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

I've travelled to Thailand for over 20 years and I can guarantee you, my experience was nothing to do with 'cheap seats'.

 

At all 3 airports, both outbound and return, the queues at Qatar check in and baggage collection were very noticeable by their size. Yiu didn't need to ask which check in they were using - just head for the largest queue.

Flying through 3 airports, one of them being abu dhabi (or that area) in this day and age is asking for a ruff trip. Just travle to london and fly direct, would be easier and less stresfull.

As mentioned not flying economy would help also, especially direct as you will not have any queues at the airport.

yeh i lost the op when he mentioned he organised a hotel taxi and wasnt happy when a van arrived with other customers on board, when he clearly asked for a solo trip!

Lol thats Thailand and the more time you spend here the more you have to just brush these type of things off, as the are a regular occurrence and they will take advantage of you if you let them.

9 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

I’ve never understood why financial incentives to get people vaccinated never even seem to be discussed. If the Thai Govt gave every Thai citizen (sorry expats) say 5,000 baht for every shot they had at the appropriate time of a quality vaccine, I’m sure the number vaccinated would rapidly increase. Those citizens already vaccinated would also get the payments. Even if it had to be funded by printing money, that would cause far less damage to the economy than the continued devastation of the tourist industry, and a slightly lower baht might be a good thing anyway.

This is about the worst take that i have seen,

You suggest the Thai Governments gonna give 40 odd million people, over 10,000 baht each in order , in some cases 15,000 that roughly equals 400,000,000,000 baht away!? Plus all the associated costs that stop people getting 6 shots and taking 5,000 baht each time. A clerical and financial nightmare.

Surely it would be better to have people 'socialising' all spread out and at different times.

By limiting peoples time out, you actually increase public densities which would accelerate any bug or virus that is going round?

On 3/25/2022 at 1:50 AM, Harveyboy said:

well said that man ..i worked 50 years and given a pittance to exist on..just take a look at the European pensions 3x more and earlier retirement.. Britain you should be ashamed..

I know an irish guy whos lived in the UK for the past 20 years and he gets his accomodation paid for and £1,200 per month and he hasnever contributed NI or UK taxes.

Bizarre system!

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

You were talking about accidents and that's what I responded to not about other causes of death. 

 

Yes for monetary gain, of course it is lol, you obviously did not read the link I gave you, if you had the article also links to how they are counted under the 28 day rule by P.H.E.

 

Just to expand that to the US:

 

VERIFY: No, COVID-19 deaths are not being inflated by car crash deaths

 

You are obviously blissfully unaware of how things and people work, and still argue if after being presented with information.

Forget covid for a moment.....You have no idea how a basic hospital works, they receive money based on how many and what conditions they treat, how on earth do you think it would plan if they did not?

Now take in to account all the unknowns with covid and the financial incentives if patients are cared for/ or placed on a ventialtor and you WILL have people on a ventialtor that will later die and of course because of the treatment issued they will be listed as covid, when it was probably old age or something else. Does this happen in every case - NO however does it happen, yes!

It seems you have confirmation bias and are unable to accept information that is contradictory to what you have heard and therefore stand by.

22 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not when its an accident. Are you really telling me that if there was a train crash with multiple deaths and 50% were found to be positive they would be included,?

 

Its the death certificate that counts.

Don't be ridiculous, they is no way they would get away with that!

What i am saying where there is an option to deceive for monetary gain (or for other gains) unfortunately alot of humans will be tempted. (Where they can they will)

My gran passed last year, she had pretty much everything, cancer, 101 year old and they were putting covid on the death certificate, I wasnt personally involved by my uncles managed to get it changed, as there was no way they felt that covid as the cause of death, however if they had not got involved.

10 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Over 2 years of this and people still believe this myth? Either that or deliberately promote fake news.

 

"If someone dies in circumstances involving an accident, violence or suspicious circumstances, the case is referred to a coroner for investigation. A post-mortem examination is carried out and usually an inquest is held. The Coroner's Court hears all the evidence and follows legal rules of evidence when deciding the causes of death. It is extremely unlikely that a coroner would find that someone was involved in a traffic accident, or was the victim of violence, because of having COVID-19 or a positive COVID-19 test -- so they would not mention COVID-19 on the death certificate. This applies to any death caused by an accident, violence, poisoning, or other external causes."

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics?:uri=aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics

From the second line of your link.....

''This is different to the data used by PHE which records all deaths with a positive test within 28 days.''

So are we just to ignore the reports of Public Health England?

''Public Health England was an executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care in England which began operating on 1 April 2013 to protect and improve health and wellbeing and reduce health inequalities''

TBH.....The fact that two government organisations can put out two totally different bits of info is disgusting and puts into question the reliability of any information put forward!

3 hours ago, overherebc said:

If someone met a hooker (bar girl)? in uk  usa or eu would you

1 Think about getting married to her?

2 Give her parents a lump of cash?

Just askin'.

I know what you are saying however in Thailand prostitution is a way of life for many.. the only option.

In the UK most i have seen are generally ex or current addicts, or are very hot but require thousands (£) per night

Either way i certianly wouldnt be giving any money in the form a sin sod or dowery or to a UK prostitute or a thai womens family,

To be fair if i did marry a Thai i would look after the family but not through a sin sot.

3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

They are paying the bills for the patients not being paid to count them as a covid patient who died....give it a rest......ignore list activated.

Ignorance is bliss.

51 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Unfortunately this OP is regarding Thailand and not elsewhere, so its best to stay on topic.

Any hospital operator will receive approximately 800,000 baht for providing treatment to a severe COVID-19 patient. Around 400,000 baht will be paid for treating an uncritical patient.
Thai government reimburses the hospital operators for the following items.

https://eng.nhso.go.th/view/1/DescriptionNews/No-hospital-charges-for-COVID-19-patients/318/EN-US

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Your talking about the US and the west. This is Thailand 

Yes exactly.

There is nothing wrong with this type of practice, as long as the numbers are not swayed in anyway..... it how the industry works and you seem to suggest that in Thailand its different?

Its no where near being a conspiracy theory, its just how it works, you have to be paid depending on what equipment and staff you require. Thats the same for any job.

Its frankly ridiculous that people band this term (conspiracy) around and its somewhat insulting! when the user has no idea himself.

19 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

So now the conspiracy is Thailands government is paying its hospitals.....give it a rest and stop with the misinformation.

They are called 'uplift payments' and that is exactly how the industry works, always has done.

Its not malicious or a conspiracy if the numbers reported tie in with those that actually requiried treatment for that case.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

'' I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward. Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital, you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000, three times as much. Nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do.''

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-care-homes-faced-funding-cut-if-they-didnt-take-in-covid-19-patients-11986578

Holding back payments if the did not take covid or untested patients.

3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Had he been vaccinated or not is a big question I have.  It might not have made a difference if he had serious underlying medical issues, but it sure as Helped my 83 year old mother a year ago in the US, she came down with Delta and after 2 weeks in the hospital was home right as rain.  Unfortunately, she passed away last month while I was in the states and visiting her.  Cause of death was COPD and CHF, which she had for the past 5 years prior to covid and the vaccinations and hence had progressed to the last stage.

 

Stories like this leave a lot out of the equation and if it is only for informational purposes why say he died from Covid if indeed he had other medical problems.....just my 2 cents worth.

Pretty much every hospital, apart from africa and some of the stan countries received extra money if patients died of covid whilst in their care.

So there's always been a motive to list them as covid, they tried to do the same with my Gran RIP yet luckily my uncles managed to get it off the certificate.

We had the nursing home debacle in the UK hen this started again, the homes that took covid patients in, instead of them going to hospital also received monies per patient. (Horrendous idea)

Also the other reason is just normal governmental propaganda in order for a particular rhetoric to continue.

I find the whole thing disgusting, but also not sure what else you would expect from our governments, a bunch of crooks, always have been and unfortunately always will be,

21 hours ago, RedArmy said:

What a ridiculous question - Especially from someone who used to wear such an exquisite fragrance such as Antaeus.

The other guy that answered me on this thread pointed me to Google  showing how aftershaves purpose is actually to rehydrate your skin after shaving lol. I'm presuming that's not the reason you wear it?

I used to wear aftershaves and it was chanel antaeus, which also seems to be the one most mentioned on this thread, an old gf also brought me some issy mayeke, which to be fair smelt nice. (the gf wasnt old, just was a few years ago now)

The problem i have and why i stopped wearing was the association, the over powering smell after was related to the demeanor of that person and generally both were offputting.

I also dont wear a watch anymore, although have and used to wear an expensive ones......it just sent out the wrong message) Basically attention seeking or look at me.

 A genuine question, why do you wear aftershave?

If no one stands up and tells me who did it, the whole class is in detention.

Terrible schoolboy propaganda, some rhetoric, different era.

They are just trying to get rid of the stock of jabs the have been given.

21 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

You obviously don't live in the UK.

Watch the snooker on Eurosport this afternoon and count the number of people wearing masks inside a sports venue.

Where are you?

A nursing home?

Look at the comments below yours, as you would also see if you are able to go outside unassisted?

Plenty of people, (rightly or wrongly) still wearing masks in the UK, all ages and also in all weathers!