JBChiangRai

You adjusted your quote from that article to suit you, it did not say as you quoted at all, it said "Usually, you can spend as much as $4,000 for a four-cylinder to upwards of $10,000 for a high-performance engine"

This pays for one helluva battery

$10,000 is probably the deposit needed to order a high-performance engine, the much more than that to pay on delivery. OMG! all those parts waiting to fail! and 2,000 of them move therefore wear out or break.

This had been discussed in another thread, I suggest you continue it there. Or did you cut and paste it here trying to whip up some clearly needed credibility?

That maybe true in America, it’s certainly not true here.

The cost of a new engine can write off an ICE car. The cost of a new battery can write off an EV. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ages at which these statements are true were pretty close on either type of car. The difference with batteries, is there will be a network of small organizations who are willing to open your battery up and fix it, this is already happening in America, for sure it will happen everywhere else.

This is Thailand Dude. You wouldn’t be trolling EV owners here by any chance, would you?

What you are saying is mostly nonsense. Looking under the bonnet in an ICE car will not tell you if it's going to throw a piston, or the big ends are about to fail, or the transmission is about to go. All these things can fail spontaneously/ Chip hacking on the BMS is highly unlikely, impossible currently, and unlike a speedo wound back, you would know the moment it fell drastically short of the quoted range. I would like to see Battery SoH recorded on all the service receipts though, in the same way as recorded mileage.

You're right about my post, there are missing characters. Maximum capacity is the best possible SoH, the real SoH could be a lot worse as the BMS takes into account many more factors. Going back to would I buy a 10 year old EV, the first check I would do is maximum range when fully charged, if I was happy with that, I would want to meet the seller at a dealer and query the battery SoH. I could then make a decision on the price.

How often the battery was charged, will affect battery degradation and be reflected in the battery's State of Health. SoH is the important figure it encompasses all the damage done to the battery by knowing exactly how the battery behaves. Any type of car engine can die at any moment, it's not specific to EV's, they only have 1% of the moving parts of an ICE car and so failure is a lot less likely.

It doesn't matter if the quoted range is optimistic. If the new car range is quoted as 500km and at 10 tears old it's quoting 400km then you know the SoH is approximately 80%.

The BMS (battery management system) keeps detailed figures on the performance of each cell within the pack and produces a state of health report. You also get a similar figure from the range indication after a full charge, you can compare that to the figure quoted at bew ti work out % degradation Try a google search for Loxley Solar to see what just one company has achieved and intends to do. There are dozens of such companies.

I would want a State of Health (SoH) report on the battery and price I offered would be dependent on that. If the battery was healthy, yes I would buy the car.

do I detect a little bit of jealousy here?

Most EV batteries are expected to last 20 years, they are guaranteed typically 8, just like most ICE engines are guaranteed 3 years.

10 year old cars depreciate to a fraction of their new cost. I think with EV cars it will not just be down to condition, it will be down to the SoH (State of Health) of the battery pack, buyers will want to know that figure, and the price will be set accordingly.

BYD has been making significant strides in the Australian market. Here’s a summary of their recent sales performance and ambitious goals: In 2023, BYD sold 12,438 vehicles in Australia Their intention is to double that number to 25,000 in 2024 Currently, they are 113% up on sales compared to the previous year The EV bubble has most definitely not burst in Australia.

All cars are money pits with the exception of some limited supply exotica. Yet the one to watch (BYD) aren't discounting their cars. I suspect the other automakers discounts are a reaction to BYD's pricing. Tesla has been slashing their prices for over a year now, the Peugeot price cut clearly means it wasn't selling, it's an inferior car to the Atto 3 standard range with a much lower output motor and is only $6,000 more for the MY2023 version after Peugeot's price adjustment. Clearly, Peugeot got the pricing wrong. I suspect once the stock is gone, that's it. It's now priced on a par with the (probably) superior MG4. The article is wrong to say the EV market is on its arse when the largest EV automaker is not discounting and it's wrong to say Australia is heavily discounting EV's when what we are seeing is (probably) a market adjustment due to BYD aggressive pricing.

If you can run to it, the ORA Good Cat is a much better car than the Neta V (which is pretty good btw). I would also look at the MG4, they are pretty cheap now and drive better than the other two.

Could it be the reaction to BYD entering the market? The only discount they offered and are currently offering is on last year's model Atto 3 to clear stock for MY2024. Clearly biased and appallingly written article btw.

I think it's unlikely that most of these companies were trading or had any employees and that any suggestion the company gave them some kind of visa is also wrong. I think you will find that most of these companies were set up for one reason only, and that was to allow the company owners to acquire villas in Phuket. It's possible that some of them are actually trading with the required number of Thai employees and taxes paid, but unless the businesses are profitable, it's a very expensive way to get a visa to stay here. I suspect this is all going to go quiet, there is too much money involved. A lot of officials are going to get rich over this.

I like that it has a display, probably a front panel option from Asea Brown Boveri.

I thought you might recognize this charger operated by Plux and installed at a town Centre hotel in Chiang Rai. Its cheaper to use the charger than pay the hotel’s parking charge. Apparently they are waterproof too.

You can't leave it in a will as it's not your property. The company has to be wound up and the proceeds split 49% to your estate and 51% to the nominee shareholders.

And drives like a bag of nails in comparison.