Chomper Higgot

If blood is blood and streets are streets, I guess somebody getting punched on the nose in the local market for making a racist remark meets the ‘blood on the streets’, criteria. The ‘Civil war’ and ‘whip hand’ remarks are a little harder to demonstrate as factual predictions. While, like all racists, Powell made no predictions about the millions of immigrants we can see in the UK (if you bother going there) who obey the law, work hard for a better life and contribute for the betterment of the nation. Of course he didn’t, Powell was a racist, he stuck to fear and hate mongering that then, as now, is gladly received by some.

You’ve singled out terrorism by a tiny minority from a particular demographic within society, while, like Powell, ignoring the group that had a history of Terrorism in the UK at the time Powell was speaking. There’s a reason why the thread topic is not ‘Powell predicted terrorism’. Powell knew of terrorism, but never mentioned it as an issue, he wasn’t talking about terrorism. Where’s the civil war he predicted? Where’s the immigrant wielding the whip hand he predicted? Where in his predictions are the millions of law abiding immigrants living peaceably in the UK, working hard for a better life and contributing to the good of the nation? Powell was a racist, his predictions where both racist and wrong. Then, as now, he had his admirers and defenders. The correlation between those who admire and defend Powell in this thread and those who post anti immigrant comments on numerous other threads is there for all to see.

I’m not cherry picking anything. Nobody here can answer for terrorist attacks, but it’s odd how you introduce them into the discussion then selectively ignore the history of terrorism in the UK in order to make some off topic point. Powell was not talking about terrorism, despite the recent history of terrorist attacks in the UK at the time he was speaking. He was directing fear and hatred against immigrants, at the time he did so the vast majority of immigrants where black Caribbeans. Odd too, you yourself have chosen to ignore white terrorist attacks in the UK.

Perhaps rather than asking for explanations from people here you should consult the statements made by those terrorists. Regardless, this terrorist act can nor in any sense be seen as the civil war Powell was predicting not anyone wielding the ‘whip hand’. Powell was very aware of the Terrorist attacks the UK had already suffered at the time of his speaking - he did not mention terrorism. He was not talking about terrorism, he was talking about civil war and black people having the whip hand. He certainly was not talking about millions of immigrants who live peaceably in the UK, obey the law, work hard, study hard, strive for a better life, contribute to the good of the nation - the truth of millions of immigrant lives in the UK. Powell was a racist. Then, as now, he had his admirers and defenders.

I’m not sure what brought that on. I have never even once called any member of this forum a racist - never!

Powell’s racist remarks were direct at immigrants of colour, who at the time he spoke were almost entirely black Caribbeans. Quit with your gaslighting.

It’s precisely that. Powell ignored the ‘white’ terrorism that was already an issue at the time if he spoke. He instead turned his hate speech on the mainly Caribbean immigrants, who in the late fifties and early sixties were exemplary members of the community, renowned for hard work, good manners and their adherence to their Christian values. But there was hate, and the racist Enoch Powell played to that hate. His reference to black people (it was black people he was “stalking about) wielding the whip hand over native white Britons is arguably the most disgraceful statement ever made by a British politician. Then, as now, he had his admirers.

Very well said.

If people are born in Britain their are British, everything about them is British. See 8th Century coin minted in the reign of King Off (he of the dyke). Note Arabic inscription. —— I never ceases to amaze me how so many ‘proud nationalists’ know so pitifully little if the history of their own history and culture.

Gaetz isn’t getting away with anything.

I would say the biggest negative change in all the places I visited, with very few exceptions is the decimation of town center businesses, through supermarkets and online trade. And the collapse of public services as a direct result of funding cuts. Former bustling market towns that had busy town centers are now half empty or filled with charity shops, tattoo parlors and takeaway food outlets. In odd spots where independent retail businesses are thriving they are catering to the well off, and provide a clear indication of the two nations the UK had become, those who have and the very many who have not. Moving out has become an option for some, a further separation of those who have from the many that have not. Gated communities are being built in towns across the nation, a sign the wealthy don’t want to be anywhere near the poor, or in extreme that they are becoming fearful of the poor. Non of this is down to immigrants or immigration, non of it is predicted by Powell but it remains the most starkly visible picture of UK towns and cities.

While you are correct, refer posts above, members of the British armed forces swear allegiance to the monarch, I’d be more than a little surprised to hear any senior officers, serving or retired discuss the idea of the military overthrowing a British Government.

To be fair, and in all due respect, your opinion doesn’t come into it. That’s how monarchy works.

He won’t be monarch as long, but he could live longer.

Nonsense. He knows what it’s like to wait his turn, that’s the deal, the crown is inherited. Let William learn that lesson too.

That’s not a windfall tax and it comes with additional tac write-offs handed to these companies. Again, handouts to the already wealthy.

It’s gift to the energy companies. Billions are added to national debt and then handed out to subsidize rapacious energy charges while oil and gas companies take in vast windfall profits. Windfall profits are being backed by public money. What should have been done is tax the windfall profits of oil and gas companies to be directed to those in need. As ever then Tories take care of the already wealthy.

Still here. Why didn’t Powell mention the then known threat of terrorism, the people who had already carried out terrorist attacks in the UK and would continue to do so? Because he wasn’t talking about terrorism. He was talking about non white Immigrants coming to the UK, he was fermenting fear and hatred. Using his education to draw on images of civil war and obscenely and shamelessly referring to immigrants having the whip hand over the native British. Powell had served overseas in Britain’s empire, he knew exactly who had the whip hand, he served in India, he new of the recent atrocities committed their by the British and as a politician in the late 50s he absolutely knew of the atrocities very recently committed by the British in Kenya. He knew all about the ‘whip hand’. He was a racist. Then, as now, he had his admirers and defenders.

Yes, many years before the Racist Powell was speaking. He ignored the white terrorists who had already attacked the UK and went on a racist rant about non white immigrants. He was talking about civil war, which has not happened, and immigrants (black immigrants) having the whip hand, which has not happened. He was not talking about terrorism, which had already happened. He ignored the then known terrorist threat and singled out non white immigrants for his message of hate. He was a racist. Then as now he had his admirers and defenders.

He has very clearly stated he plans to follow his mother’s example of life long commitment and duty. He’ll not abdicate.

Can you explain what is funny about the ‘non white’ terrorist attacks that have taken place in the UK and took place before and after Powell was speaking? Are terrorist attacks on the UK something you find amusing?

I’m disgusted to hear you think the fact of terrorist attacks and killings in Briton by ‘non white’ terrorists is a laughing matter.

The topic is not your Corbin Abbot fixation.

Yes, long before Powell was speaking. He had no excuse for singling out the non white immigrants. But that’s what he did.

Blood had already been spilled on British streets, and it wasn’t by ‘non white’ terrorists.