Chomper Higgot

I see the customary attempts to disrupt the discussion are once again in full flow.

I watched the speech, it was on the nail. MAGA is a threat to US democracy, the right to vote and the rights enshrined in the constitution. It is well past time to avoid facing the threat of fascism MAGA has in store for the US. As for the MAGA objections to his speech. President Biden wasn’t talking to you, he was talking about you.

We’ve already seen. And yes the search was necessary.

Nevermind the cultural acceptance of racism, Powell was speaking in the immediate aftermath of atrocities committed by the British in Kenya. As a politician he was aware of this. As a politician and a WW2 veteran he was absolutely aware of the part racism had in played in the most vile atrocity committed against a race of people in recorded history. And yet still he climbed aboard the racism bus. It is an immense credit to the British public that they rejected him and his hatred. Or at least to those that did then and still do now. Sadly, he like all purveyors of racism has and still has his admirers and defenders.

I think immigration should be discussed without resorting to the use of racism towards immigrants and the scapegoating of immigrants. I’m sure you would agree.

As I remarked earlier, he had his admirers defenders then as now.

No, he wanted a political platform from which to launch his bid for party leader and PM. He parked his intellect, knowledge of very recent history and climbed on board theracism bus.

Oh you want to go back to the days when a politician could say whatever they like, including promoting racist ideas, without being challenged? As it is I think interviewer allow politicians to get away with too much lying and hate mongering as it is. Leave deference where it belongs, back in history.

I’m not shouting at you. I’ve listened to your argument and made a reasoned counter argument. Is that a problem? Perhaps you are referring the multiple personal attacks I’ve had to put up with from rightwing members in this discussion (and others).

That threat news. Trump will be able to log into his eBay account and show his purchase history to the FBI. What a great “knock down the prosecution” defense that is going to be.

I’m sure you’d love the DOJ to arrest him before a Grand Jury has passed down an indictment. Trump is at this moment in time trying to delay the investigation by requesting a ‘Special Master’ to review the evidence against him. While the judge he submitted his request to (a judge he appointed) suggested she might rule in his favour, she’s done little other than give the FBI the opportunity to place before the public damming evidence of Trump’s crimes. Trump is trying to delay the investigation, the DOJ are clearly way ahead of where the public (or Trump) know them to be. Be patient, Trump is on indictment watch, Justice is coming.

I think unproven allegation is the correct term.

You’ve been saying that for how long? The technology and economics of renewable energy has changed n their favor dramatically in the past ten years, even in the past 5 years and is accelerating.

Actually he wasn’t from an era when people could ‘talk about things’. There were a number of topics that could not be openly discussed at the time without fear of reprisals, losing your job or perhaps criminal prosecution. Beyond those issues he lived at a time when people, particularly women, were unable to openly discuss health issues with their own doctor, this was challenged and changed by individuals who did have a public platform, mainly women, bravely speaking out about serious health matters. People suffered illness and abuse in silence, people ‘knew their place’. At the time Powell was speaking very many people were unable to speak up. The reaction of the rightwing and the rightwing press was to try to shut these people up when they did so. So quit with this nonsense that at the time the Racist Powell was speaking ‘people could actually talk about things. It’s demonstrable hogwash. The deference shown the Racist Powell was all part and parcel of the same problem. There were the few who could speak, and the masses who could not.

You’ll need to demonstrate that link. But yes, I’m quite sure this failing Government would like voters to believe their failures are all down to immigration. The most on topic failure of this 12 year old Government is of course the failure to control immigration, despite having destroyed the economy, ostensibly to get back control of the UK’s borders. So go ahead, trot out the old favorite rightwing excuse - scapegoat immigrants. It doesn’t solve anything but I’m sure it helps you to clear the bile.

The X-Files has a lot to answer for.

I’ve said from the start, it’s not simply that Trump stole these documents, the far more serious threat is who got to see them. Trump’s criminality is a matter for a Grand Jury and a trial, who got to see these documents is a matter of grave concern for the security of the United States.

Renewable energy is the future, don’t let fossil fuel shills tell you otherwise.

Not just Green Parties. Ronald Reagan also warned of the dangers of relying on Russia for energy.

Tell us the one about your ancestors entering the US via Ellis Island but not being immigrants again. I really enjoyed that one.

And even though it’s over a hundred years ago, respect to your grandfather’s service. But then there was this: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/they-were-willing-to-make-the-ultimate-sacrifice-for-the-u-s-but-trump-wont-let-them-become-americans

Actually what he’s done is expose the foolishness of relying on imported energy and on an energy source that is impacted by manipulated commodity price shifts. Its a very good argument in favor of in-country renewable energy.

He’s lucky he wasn’t shot dead, happens often to people who violently assault officers who are on duty. As a former serving police officer he has no excuse for not knowing the seriousness of his unlawful actions.

Have you considered jumping straight to the ‘those other people’ who attacked the Capitol were insane defense, because that’s where your arguments are heading?!

Violent overthrow in response to believing lies is not a legitimate response. The legitimate response was to present the case for election fraud to the courts. That was tried over 60 times in front of over 60 judges and was kicked out every single time. There was no legitimate reason to attack the Capitol, Give it up already, Trump lost.