Chomper Higgot

Please use the forum’s quote function to present evidence of me claiming “that covid testing kits are useless and waste of money “ That’s a very specific allegation you have made. Now back it up or retract it.

Except who was given the contracts for these useless goods and failed services? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56319927.amp

With pleasure: https://www.thenational.scot/news/20202533.best-britain-says-boris-johnsons-tories-wasted-64bn-taxpayer-cash/

The jury has convicted Bannon: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/22/steve-bannon-trial-trump-contempt-congress-charges

Well Johnson has been trying to unilaterally renege on the deal he signed. But no, the deals not off, it’s not even done yet. It all comes around again in 2026.

Getting you back on topic. This government, in which both candidates have been ministers, has handed tens of billions of pounds of tax payers money to chums if the Government members with zero benefit to the public. Both candidates are mired in the corrupt record of the government in which they served and supported.

And that’s just the one of payments to the EU bill that can be paid off. The costs to the economy are a constant, year on year hit.

Has it not occurred to you that I might have a very long history of interest in politics? No matter. I’m not the topic of discussion. Liz Truss is no longer a Liberal Democrat.

I wish Truss would take your sage advice on that.

And cut public services in a society already floundering after over a decade of Tory austerity.

She was just as clueless back then as she is now.

Yes correct. But they aren’t selecting a candidate that has any proposals to help the rest of the nation deal with the problems they are struggling with. Truss or Sunak, both completely out of touch, though Sunak might deliver less inflation.

That’s a very strange logic.

That’s a policy worth supporting.

Putting aside your off topic fixation on Rayner. How does the British Government, in which Truss was a minister, handing out tens of billions of pounds to friends of Tory ministers with zero benefit to the nation fit with your ideas of ‘free market trickle down economy’?

You are hiding behind semantics. Once again. The Candidates audience and hence the content of their proposals is the Conservative Constituency Membership. Meanwhile, the rest of the nation continues to suffer. Give the rightwing culture war nonsense a rest.

It was you that stated the concerns of the whole nation need to be addressed. I have on several occasions explained in which manner the Conservative membership differs from the population at large and how their concerns differ from the population at large. The winning candidate will be chosen on the basis of the concerns of a small group who are not representative of the whole population, this is a fact. The only bearing the last election has on this matter is if the winning Candidate is proposing policies that are at odds with the Conservative manifesto of the last election. Whichever candidate wins, they are not making any proposals that address the concerns of the general population. Their audience and hence the content of their proposals is the Conservative Constituency Membership. Meanwhile, the rest of the nation continues to suffer.

The PM will be selected by a small group of people who are far from representative of the whole nation.

There are two candidates, neither is addressing the concerns of ordinary people.

You are wrong again: https://eu.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/03/15/undocumented-ohio-immigrants-taxes-no-benefits/4628218001/

They pay taxes on the goods and services they buy. If there is tax evasion in payroll then that’s a felony committed by the payer.

I suggest you take that up with the member I was responding to.

Johnson was brought down by his own failures and his own political colleagues following two stunning Tory defeats in bi-elections. Beyond success at the ballot box, the ‘Left’ had no part in any of Johnson’s ousting.

Odd you should say that, because I have. I have also paid attention to the response from economists to the proposals being made by the candidates.

Getting back to topic. The new PM will be elected by the rank and file of the Tory Constituency Party, a group of people who are not representative of the public at large but who are predominantly old and retired (therefore living on fixed incomes or soon to be living on fixed incomes). Inflation is a very significant concern for people living on fixed incomes and with savings under threat. The two candidates are offering diametrically opposed fiscal policies. Sunak is proposing policies to fight inflation. Truss is proposing policies to cut taxes and spend which are widely criticized on the basis they will increase inflation. That’s the choice people for whom inflation is a significant concern have before them. It is the visible split in the Tory Party.