Chomper Higgot

I’m not for removing all guns, but I do believe gun ownership should be licensed and controlled and that predictors of gun violence should be used to determine who doesn’t get a gun. eg any history of violence, including domestic violence, any behavior relating to threatening others with weapons, any felony that resulted in prison time, any history of mental illness that is associated with a risk of violence. And absolutely limit gun ownership to above 21 years old.

Everyone has the same level of security where I am, gun own ship is restricted, licensed and controlled. Even to the pony most cops don’t carry guns. Freedom from fear, you should try it.

“Guns should only be given to responsible people and not given to potential mass murderers ” So in principle you agree with the necessity of gun controls.

Yes, and mass murderers in the US have a predilection for using guns to commit their murders and a particular type of gun. Mass murderers don’t tend to use ‘set squares’, ‘G-clamps’ or ‘pop riveters’. Come to think of it when was the last time you heard of a ‘Drive by chiseling’?

Can you find anything similar for developed nations with gun controls, eg Canada, the UK, anywhere in the EU…… ?

Semantics

People use guns to kill people, banning people isn’t a thing. People who use guns to commit mass murder use a particular type of gun.

Go back to the top of this thread and read the OP, it’ll give you a clue what the topic of discussion is.

And a particular type of gun is the weapon of choice for mass murderers. But you don’t see that.

“How does that even come into it?”, via democratically elected representation. One party represents the majority on gun control, the other is bought by and represents the gun lobby.

So that’s you signed up for denying idiots guns is it?

I agree and disagree. I too have owned guns, two rifles and a shot gun, at the time I had shooting rights on wooded land, my guns were tools which I used to hunt food. This is true for very many Americans, their gun is a tool, in some regions it is also a necessary means of protection against dangerous animals. For these people there deep cultural and practical reasons to own and use guns. However, this is not the case for very many other Americans. On the insistence of my father I learned to shoot at a military cadet range, were gun safety was literally drilled into those attending, as a young teenager the discipline and sense of responsibility ’drilled’ was part of the enjoyment. Later I occasionally attended ‘civilian’ shooting clubs, this was an entirely different mix of experiences. Some were excellent, well managed and sociable, some were filled with very strange people ‘drilling’ on the politics of fear. I gave up my guns when my kids were born, yes my guns were always under lock and key, the guns the bolts and the ammo all under separate locks, but guns around young children, no thank you. As for a gun for self defense/home defense, I’ll go back to what I was drilled on. If you feel you need a weapon (any weapon) to be safe in a place, don’t go there. It’s not like in the movies, you probably won’t get to your weapon in time and it will very likely cause you to stay put when you should be running. Society needs to have a measured conversation on gun control, that can’t happen with extremists on both sides getting all the airtime. It certainly cannot happen while the gun lobby is permitted to buy the allegiance of politicians who should be acting for all citizens, not just the gun lobby.

A person must have a firearm licence to possess or use a firearm. Licence holders must demonstrate a "genuine reason" (which does not include self-defence) for holding a firearm licence[2] and must not be a "prohibited person". All firearms must be registered by serial number to the owner, who must also hold a firearms licence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia

Some background data: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

A woefully inadequate’Federal Background Check’.

Correct, but here’s a thing. The Second Amendment says absolutely nothing about Government controlling where guns may be bought and sold.

‘Federal Government’ is not entirely accurate. There are two chambers of Federal Government, one of which is currently blocking all attempts at changing gun laws.

We know ‘superficial checks’ exist in Federal law and that even ‘superficial checks’ are not universally applied.

False equivalence. Road accidents (the clue is in the name) are not deliberate mass murder.

So banning guns does work.

Take a one way hire from one of the main car hire companies from LHR to your home town/nearest drop off station. Then hire from a local hire company for the rest of your visit.

The head that needs to roll is that if the governor himself.

Oddly, when guns aren’t widely available (UK and Australia being examples), mass murders are far less common.

False equivalence. Trump was speaking at the NRA event, an organization that promotes guns and opposes gun controls. Except of course when Trump is speaking.

Let’s take the gun lobby at its word, ‘guns don’t kill people, people kill people’ and latterly ‘mental illness is the cause of gun violence’. If these two statements are true, why the objection to background checks? Why the objection to denying gun ownership to people with a record of violence? Why the objections to denying gun ownership to people suffering mental illness?