11 hours ago, sirineou said:

This is crazy we are living under a new law, or a new interpretation of an old law. but we will not be told what that new law, or new interpretation of an old law  until later.What kind of BS is that? 

It is like getting into a football game and are told by the referees that the rules will be "interpreted different than they always were, but we will not tell you how until later.

Would you play under such rules? 

This is beyond crazy. 

 

The way I see this is,  whatever you were doing last year in respect of bringing income into Thailand that was earned in the same calendar year is exactly the same.  The only difference is that the "Same Calendar Year" now means "Any Calendar Year from 2024 onwards", so 2024 will be exactly the same. 

I think the problem for most people (& I certainly include myself in this) is that we don't fully understand the tax rules as they were before this change but have not needed to do so as we weren't bringing in income the same Calendar year it was earned, so I guess that if we did fully understand the rules prior to 1/1/2024, then we'd know exactly what the rules are now & how we'll be impacted going forward. 

Simple example, somebody remitting 100K pm from a private pension each month as the pension is paid, if they should have been paying tax on it in 2023 then they should be paying tax on it in 2024, 2025 etc... , if they shouldn't then they won't be paying tax on it in 2024, 2025 etc... The same is true of any income. 

So I guess the answer (to me) is that I need to fully understand the current rules as (to the RD) this is just a "Clarification"/"Tweak" to one part of the rules which they've already explained, so there's nothing more to explain. 

Now if I have questions on "What is assessable income", "How do DTAs impact my Tax Calculations", "Can I gift my partner money" etc... etc... etc... then nothing has changed in respect of these so I can't really expect the RD to think that they have to explain "any changes" to me. 

9 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Virtually every human society has manufactured deities

If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him

Voltaire

17 hours ago, ezzra said:

One thing for sure, no one will complain about being too good looking, too rich or having too large penis...

1 hour ago, Guavaman said:

You can stop thinking and claiming that that some of your income is non-assessable.

Technically

Not sure why people would think there would be a list of "Non-Assessable Income" as all Income is Tax Assessable & the fact that there is no tax due on it can only be ascertained after assessing it for tax. 

E.g. If income from an Inheritance is not taxable Thailand, then that's fine the income is assessed as being from an Inheritance & not taxed... It's still Tax assessable. 

Another example, UK Government Pensions, US SS etc... are not taxable in Thailand, again the income would be assessed as being a Government Pension/SS & would not taxed... It's still Tax Assessable.   

Practically

I am not saying the income has to be or will be assessed, things like advisory notices from the RD & DTAs allow us to short circuit the process & not declare certain incomes, but if the RD came to audit you, any Inheritance or Government Pensions/SS will be assessed & if found to be such, deemed not taxable. 

On 5/15/2022 at 7:14 PM, Sparktrader said:

Looks great

Awesome pool

Laguna Beach Resort 3 (Maldives) stayed there for 5 nights via AirBnB, really nice place (awesome pool) but had to use Bolt to get anywhere as I don't have my own transport. 

On the AirBnB listing it mentioned a shuttle bus twice per day to the big Lotus at South Jomtien & Jomtien beach but the security guard looked at us like we were talking gibberish when we asked about it & I didn't see a single bus during our stay there. 

Oh & there were lots of Soi Dogs hanging around the streets outside, very placid during the day but I wouldn't want to be walking/riding a motorbike around there at night.   

Edit: Apologies I thought this was a new thread & it seems I posted exactly the same as the above  18 months ago!!! - At least I was consistent :) 

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge. As said I never read a word he wrote. All I know is that some people think he knows stuff.

A simple comparison would be when you think of Stephen Hawking, do you think "Author" or Genius who was so far ahead of everybody else with his thoughts on Time & Space.

I am comparing Nietzsche with Hawkins because, in his field, Nietzsche was so far ahead of everybody else.

Camus is a much easier read though (says he as he scoots to find the remote control so he can watch some Sherlock Holmes on New Years Day - Life is Good)  

Happy New Year :) 

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Sir Conan Doyle.

 

A remarkably perceptive individual as expressed through his character Sherlock.  He had a knack for eliminating the possibilities that couldn't fit and come up with the only one that could.

 

I, too, have read them all and love them dearly. 

Sorry one of my "quirks" is I refuse to use honorifics so he's "Arthur" to me :)

Brilliant Author & mind

42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've always been intrigued at why people have such reverence for people that wrote a book, as though the book was important, when surely it is the ideas that the book contain that are of importance? Isn't that why people think the Bible is important because they think it was written by God itself, and not by mere men.

 

Personally I have no respect for any of the great authors, not because they were wrong, but because I never read them, and their ideas have no part of my life. IMO if what they wrote was actually important to me I'd know about what they wrote.

 

When I was at school my reading was Lord of the Rings and Rider Haggard, not some esoteric tome by some scholar. Later I graduated to The Executioner ( excellent thriller series ), and Dune etc.

 

I'm not putting anyone down for reading that sort of book, but I just never had any incentive to do so. I guess I was always a doer and not a reader.

Now of course, the curse of the screen leaves little time for reading and if I do, it's going to be a Reacher thriller, not Nietzsche.

You seem to view Nietzsche as an Author & I'd never put that label on him even though he's written books. 

My favourite author has to be Conan Doyle, I grew up on Sherlock Holmes stories & love them to this day :) 

2 hours ago, ukrules said:

There's plenty of room for hearsay and anecdotes, after all we should remember - this is a discussion forum, not a legal review.

Love this post... Thank you for reminding us that "This is Thailand" & so everything we think we know, we don't.

30 minutes ago, quake said:

 

Simple example, I use the 65K pm income method remitting income as it accrues & am from a country that doesn't have a DTA with Thailand... I have always been liable for tax on that income in Thailand, few (I'd bet next to no) Expats pay it. 

This is why some immigrations offices are now asking for a tax certificate (or equivalent) when doing extensions based on the 65K pm method. 

And that's not "Scaremongering" it's a simple fact... 

 

( You above)

Please post a link to the government, immigration or revenue department,   facts of your  statement. 

( relevant part in bold )  and also state the immigration  offices in question.

Thanks 

Read my previous post, somebody posted on here that they had been asked for a Tax certificate, I can't remember when or in what thread nor do I care as I use the 800K in the bank method...

If you use the 65K pm method it's your job to find out whether it's true or not not mine.

3 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Mad Men's good, watched it twice and that was enough. It's deeper than it might seem at first. @Jingthing probably wouldn't like it, too unwoke and pre-socialist identity politics.

 

A Murder had good potential but quickly blew it, so I gave it up after 2 episodes and recently read the synopsis. AFAIK, Silo's about the best SF series of this year. 

Interesting you say that as there are a few TV series, believe or not "Friends" being one, I've sat through & bought the 10 series boxset 3 times with various GFs & found it a completely different viewing experience on each watching.  

Am really looking forward to watching Mad Men now :) 

7 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Ohhhhhh sweet baby jesus

 

Some internet guy saying that he had ' heard ' does not make anything a fact.

 

What it makes is someone spreading gossip and hearsay, which might also be called scaremongering.

Look it was posted on here that a BM was asked to show a tax certificate for his extension whilst doing one based on 65K pm income.  

Why, Who, When, I couldn't give a toss as I use the 800K in the bank, but it was posted on here so I mentioned it. 

37 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I agree.

I'm sorry Jerry, this really did make me laugh :) & "I have no Idea" probably sums up most of the posts on this thread!

Happy New Year :) 

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

What offices? Some offices ask for a source-of -funds letter but I don't see that as a tax-certificate equivalent. 

 

And scaremongering is when your intent is to make someone scared.

It was reported in this thread (or one of the other ones) that a BM was asked to show a Tax certificate when doing their extension,  I use 800K in the bank so didn't really take note of where it was posted.. 

IMHO, nobody has done any "scaremongering", they've just shared their thoughts & am sure if it came across any other way then that's not what was intended - As per my post above there are guys who should have been paying tax all along & they will probably get away with not paying tax in the future as I'm sure RD has no interest in an Expat bringing in < 800K pa.

The game changer could be if immigration do start asking for a certificate showing you've paid tax on that money, guys bringing in private pensions from the UK would be able to show their P60 which details pension earned & tax paid, I have no idea what you guys from the US would use.. 

Nietzsche said it best... "God is Dead"... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_is_dead

Now can we close this thread :) 

P.S. I'm just joking, I find some of the posts (in particular @Sunmaster) very thought provoking & cause me to take a good look at my inner self... 

But I do think Nietzsche was right about the Christian/Muslim/Judaist etc... view of "God". 

14 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

REDUX My post 9 OCT 23 a hundred pages back:

 

But as long as there is some hiatus here, I would just like to note I have been on the receiving end of 2 doomsday scenarios:

 

1. Immigration Officer: "You farang -- you have retirement income of 65k per month. Show me your Thai tax return for your visa extension of stay showing that you paid tax on income of 65k monthly. 

 

2. Be careful mate.  That (65k) will bring you to their (RD) attention.  
... and it is always better to not get noticed by any Thai Govt person or office.

 

I wish you scaremongers were better coordinated.

 

Edited October 9 by jerrymahoney

I don't see an incongruence between 1 & 2 so not sure why "The Scaremongers" are  uncoordinated but have said since they introduced the 65K income method of getting an extension that people are opening themselves up to (potentially) being liable for Tax. 

Simple example, I use the 65K pm income method remitting income as it accrues & am from a country that doesn't have a DTA with Thailand... I have always been liable for tax on that income in Thailand, few (I'd bet next to no) Expats pay it. 

This is why some immigrations offices are now asking for a tax certificate (or equivalent) when doing extensions based on the 65K pm method. 

And that's not "Scaremongering" it's a simple fact... 

19 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

Interesting question, but you'd still be "caught" by being potentially asked where did the money come from and did you earn it working.

But If I haven't remitted anything (from overseas) to myself, why would they bother looking into my account?

On 12/27/2023 at 10:20 AM, likerdup1 said:

I've done my immigration business for the last 11 years myself.

 

I am on my fourth Non-O Visa with a 1 year extension of stay. Three times before in Chonburi (first time in 2012) and this last time in Bangkok done at Chang Wattana Division 1 completed yesterday.

 

Why do others do immigration business themselves? I do it because I don't want to be involved in graft, be attached to an agent and pay a lot of extra money for what amounts to about $100 an hour for my time if I paid an agent.

 

Why do you do your immigration business yourself?

I used to live in Bangkok & did my extensions at CW, the last one I would have probably ended up having to make 3 trips... (From On Nut it's approx. 1.5 hours & 600B in a Taxi each way)

1. My Bank Book had amalgamated entries as I didn't keep it up to date often enough, Immigration would have rejected this & I'd have to come back another day with a Bank Statement.
2. At that time, Immigration was only processing Extensions that were due in the next 3 days, I wanted mine 44 days before as I was travelling, would have had to cancel my holiday plans, at least 25K down the toilet. 

Instead my agent spotted the problem with my Bank Book & took me to the local Bangkok Bank to explain to them what I needed (100B for a 3 month statement covering the period of amalgamated Entries) & drove me to CW to process my extension 44 days before it was due.

I paid them 7,900B (- 1,900 Immigration so 6,000B) worth every Satang in my book. 

I really do laugh when people say it only takes a couple of hours at CW to do their extension, it used to take me 1.5-2x that in travel time alone, but using an Agent I was normally in & out in 20-30 mins. 

On 12/27/2023 at 10:05 PM, vangrop said:

Are you joking. Are you a cc? Thailand has one of the cheapest taxi services in the world. You're going to endure the hassle of a bus ride  and at the end of the journey you'll still have to take a taxi to get to your final destination. If you're that desperate for money, I only have one  advice for you: stay home.

Some of us do the Pattaya-Bangkok return trip couple of times a month so saving 1,000B(each way) per trip soon adds up.

Add to that the GF doesn't like to be in a Taxi on her own (Kid you not when I was in the UK & she flew back from visiting family in Satun she chose to take the BTS/MRT to Ekkamai and then the bus to Pattaya rather than get into a Taxi on her own).

Things are a lot easier now Bell Bus (great service) is back up & running + we have the option of Lady Drivers from Nams, but given the choice between getting into a normal taxi or taking public transport she'd pick the latter every time.... Nothing to do with how much costs.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Such as Tiger King associated as the hit show of the beginning of the pandemic or Mad Men associated with the time it was popular?
Just two examples.

I missed them both. 

I've still not got around to watching Mad Men but have queued it up for my next binge viewing... 

Currently finishing off " A Murder at the end of the World" 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15227418/

Very good even though I normally avoid things that Clive Owen is in.

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

CM has never accepted the change in TM30 rules made in June 2020.

Jomitien, I'm aware recently placed a sign indicating TM30 required even for annual extension.

I don't take notice of those offices.

 

As stated earlier TM30 was not required for my annual extension last Nov 2023.

Guess we all need to watch for extension reports.

 

Far be it for me to suggest what a Mod of the Visa Forum does or does not take interest in but I would suggest a lot of guys in here are from Chiang Mai & even more from Pattaya so might be worth keeping an eye on what's happening in those IO offices.

If commenting on a Mod's post earns me a "Holiday", then (unlike Arnie), I won't be back. 

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

CM has never accepted the change in TM30 rules made in June 2020.

Jomitien, I'm aware recently placed a sign indicating TM30 required even for annual extension.

I don't take notice of those offices.

 

As stated earlier TM30 was not required for my annual extension last Nov 2023.

Guess we all need to watch for extension reports.

 

Hopefully as you have very recent experience of doing an Extension at CW where an (updated) TM30 was not required, the OP will be ok. 
 

I can’t really comment from recent experience as I moved condo at the time my last extension was due so had to do a TM30 (as I’d changed address), Extension/Multi Re-entry permit & 90 day report (it was due) at the same time.... But I did remember reading that article so made a mental note to do a TM30 on my next return from UK (Probably need to do one anyway as I'll be getting a new passport when I'm there) and thought it worth mentioning. 
 

I’ve posted many times that I use an agent (for convenience) so looking back through my paperwork they filed my TM30 then did my Extension/Multi Re-Entry permit on the same day, next day they did my 90 day report. 

For anybody keeping score it was 8K for the Extension, 4K for the multi re-entry permit & 500B for the TM30 (90 day was free).