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1 minute ago, curlylekan said:

Are you aware that Obama did the same with Bush. I'm not saying one is right or better than the other, all I'm saying is that they have both done it and they both did it for many years while in office. I think this is good to know that this is an ongoing problem with leadership and not something to single one president out for doing

Can you back that claim? I never noticed Obama talking trash about Bush, Obama generally had more class than that. The current guy? I flush stuff down the toilet with more class than him.

22 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

The children are being made to wear face masks and kept apart by splitting them into five groups and dedicating a 5-square metre space to each group. [emphasis added by me]

Preschoolers are well known for their ability to stay within the lines. 555!

28 minutes ago, JTXR said:

Most young people and those without the dangerous pre-existing conditions are going to accept this strategy too, as illustrated in opening-up photos from around the country.

Then go visit family and give it to them.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/80-percent-of-people-in-this-age-group-are-asymptomatic/ar-BB15zLMB?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

18 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I wish that was true:

 

"Under fire from critics who say he is letting the coronavirus outbreak get out of control, Gov. Ron DeSantis is playing down Florida’s sharp increase in new cases in recent weeks, attributing it to more testing and saying he won’t rollback reopening efforts."

 

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/06/16/coronavirus-florida-state-continues-see-record-new-daily-cases/3201957001/

Then the shops are shutting themselves down in light of the lack of intelligent leadership.

4 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

News out today that a 2nd wave is hitting Beijing, which has just locked down, again!

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/china-cancells-over-1200-flights-shuts-schools-over-new-coronavirus-outbreak-in-beijing/articleshow/76417126.cms

 

Unlike in the US, at least they will be able to control their population to bring it back under control as quickly as possible, but hopes of a travel bubble with China might still be a long way off - bad news for Thailand.

Florida is returning to locking down some of its businesses as well. 23 days with no new cases in Thailand.

"They would not get infected on the city's beaches because of the brilliant regulations put in place to safeguard their safety. "

YOU can't f***ing SAY THAT! I sincerely believe Thailand is safe for now. I've going to riding my pushbike without wearing a mask. The INSTANT the borders are opened back up, I resume wearing the mask.

2 hours ago, steelepulse said:

It didn't help the US that Fauci lied about masks.

 

https://gizmodo.com/dr-fauci-made-the-coronavirus-pandemic-worse-by-lying-1844050358

Once again - deny, ignore, lie, deflect, obfuscate

He never lied. He presented the information in a logical manner based on facts.

1 minute ago, johnpetersen said:

Like Oklahoma although others are far worse.

https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/osdh-covid-19-hospitalizations-increase-in-oklahoma/

Arizona for example.

I prefer to use, when available, hospitalization figures. That way, the increase in the rate of testing is irrelevant.

It will be most interesting to see the numbers 2-3 weeks after that YUGE rally in Oklahoma. If I were a betting man, I bet the virus numbers will skyrocket. That will be a death knell.

1 minute ago, johnpetersen said:

There are states that are going down. The most dramatic declines are in states in the northeast where enforcement of lockdowns has been a lot stricter. If you omit those states from the data, the situation actually looks a lot worse. Those states that have been laxest in enforcement and sooner to lift restrictions make up the preponderance of the rise in hospitalizations.

For instance like Oklahoma?

3 minutes ago, steelepulse said:

I wonder why all the states that have their covid numbers going down are pushed to the bottom of any news headlines..............

 

Minnesota, the original protest state, showing lowest numbers since April 29th.  There are also a lot of other states where cases and hospitalizations are going down.  It would be nice to get balanced reporting and not fear mongering in the headlines.

 

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/here-is-minnesotas-covid-19-update-for-monday-june-15

If it bleeds, it leads.

28 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Plenty of countries do get there via private insurance companies.

This is the whole problem with US health care. We need to REMOVE the private insurance companies. And this is the problem with ACA.

Just now, Berkshire said:

You're right, Trump is inspirational...both for and against.  Trump's base is still largely the same.  But people who normally wouldn't come out will come out and vote against Trump because they don't want another 4 years of corrupt and incompetent leadership.

To my CORE I hope you're right!

5 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

As 2018 showed, Trump is a very inspirational candidate for both the left and right. It's just that he inspires them differently.

By the way, THIS is the way adult discourse goes. We have some differing opinions, and we share our ideas in considerate fashion. I've started putting rude people on my "ignore" list and information is now flowing quite nicely.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Possibly. 

I like Bottoms. 

As long as we're predicting how about the favored Harris who really does convey presidential gravitas or an electoral play for Florida in Demings. 

 

Pretty obviously Abrams is out. 

Abrams doesn't have that "thing," that star quality. I knew someone who was in a room when Bill Clinton walked in and he said everybody just KNEW when the president at the time entered. He had an electric charisma that was tangible. Abrams - not so much.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No spin. Just ignore it. 

I believe it. Just like that member I backed into a corner to the point he started calling me a troll (I'm STILL waiting for a response to the question I posed to him and I'm guessing he's gonna take the Ignore route on that one as well).

11 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Really? Got some evidence to back that up? The fact is Biden overwhelmingly won in the popular democratic vote. Where Sanders tended to perform best was in caucuses, which are a much less democratic form of selection than primaries.

And something most people tend to ignore - the Dems and Reps are essentially equal in numbers and vote strictly by party line. It's the INDEPENDENTS that need to be convinced, need to be excited into getting off their couches and go to the voting booths. Biden is getting a resounding "meh" from Independents, Bernie was the candidate that piqued their interest.

Just now, johnpetersen said:

Really? Got some evidence to back that up? The fact is Biden overwhelmingly won in the popular democratic vote. Where Sanders tended to perform best was in caucuses, which are a much less democratic form of selection than primaries.

Bernie drew crowds in the tens of thousands. Biden drew them in the dozens, most of them blue hairs.

BTW, this is my original letter from the attorney in the DNC lawsuit, name and signature obscured, that most people never heard of. I've been following this garbage for years, and one of the few things Trump has been right about - the system IS rigged.

1 minute ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I too agree he has had a stroke and is keeping it from everybody. The thing is I expect him starting up the election rally will become more of  a serious health issue. That won't be possible to hide either. Seriously the clip of him raising the cup and then having the left hand assist the lift. Two hands necessary to drink a cup of water has to be a HUGE concern. 

I can't WAIT to see how Fox and his supporters spin the cup of water thing. Maybe that's the way stable geniuses drink?