problemfarang

On 5/9/2019 at 11:21 AM, cranki said:

Can anyone explain to me why I have never (knowingly) filled one of these forms out in the 11 years of living here ??

I've been coming and going multiple times per year in that time (work roster)

Never been quizzed at immigration when renewing visa extensions about it either...puzzled...

Well, im here for 13 years. And I was not doing this too because no IO asked me to do. But if i remember correctly they start to ask about this like 4 or 5 years for me now. Thats one of the reasons im not going any IMM offices. I have non-o go another country every 90 days and come back.

When i was working in Chonburi this happened to my house owner there. They charged her 800 baht not to inform about me. Now im in BKK, my house owner has no idea about this too. I dont care too because as i said im not using IMM anymore.

All the system in Thailand changing to we dont want you anymore here.

3 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Thanks for your comments gents. Yes, I'm aware that things can and have changed with regards to visas/entry requirements.  Just covering all the bases at the moment - my intention will eventually be to go into business in Thailand but for the first couple of years I'll probably be learning the language/preparing the ground for that business.

 

What I was getting at in my original post is that when I used a Multi O based on marriage, I used it as I presume it's intended - for multiple visits to a Thai spouse whilst I live/work elswhere. As far as I know, there's nothing in the rules that says you can't stay all the time and simply do a visa run every 90 days but I doubt that's the original purpose of the visa.

 

I just wanted to hear what the current position is regarding staying in Thailand all the time on a ME Non O with of course, the requirement to leave every 90 days.  I have 2 mates currently doing just that and neither have had a problem but I am aware that some entry points apply the rules differently and so wanted to have a better understanding of how things are at the moment.

im pretty sure you dont need to worry about this for another 2 years

Yes and there will be more people there. Because of Vientiene chaos. 

This means SAVA. will start to do same chaos soon, i think.

15 hours ago, BritTim said:

Under the current processes being followed by immigration, this would not be a problem. However, there was no problem coming in on tourist visas until the last couple of years. I think it would be unwise to rely on immigration's policies remaining unchanged. This is especially true as there seem to be more marriages of convenience than before. I see no reason why immigration could not start using Section 12 (2) to deny entry to those with Non O visas if they decide people without Thai work permits are spending too much time visiting on Non O visas. Immigration could well decide that Non O visas are being used to circumvent immigration's conditions for issuing extensions of permission to stay on the basis of marriage and crack down. I am not saying they should do this, only recommending you plan your life with this very real possibility in mind.

Agreed and actually i have a story about this.

I got my 3rd non-o multi visa 3 months ago. Coming back from Mukdahan.. At the border all of these 3-4 years no question nothing, this time she asked me why i dont make it 1 year but go and come back every 90 days. I told her the truth, i dont have enough money at the bank, she laughed and let me go...  All was ok again... but theres a small detail: she asked this time.. Maybe it was her curiosity or something like this post. Well, i will go again on 28 may. we will see

4 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

It is not one of the legal-reasons permitted for denial-of-entry in the Immigration Act.  That is why the "reason" stamped in passports has no reference to "time in country before." 

 

If this is unsatisfactory, the authorities can change the law, issue a ministerial order, or the minister can assign people matching specified criteria to a group subject to (potential or automatic) rejected entry.  

 

The authorities have declined to do any of these things, so IOs who don't agree with them have decided to make up their own rules, and break the laws they swore to uphold.  As there is no effective chain-of-command (note the inconsistent rules at different immigration offices, as well as entry points), they can get away with this behavior.  It's textbook "3rd World Country" behavior - not befitting Thailand; but the corruption is evidently too well-embedded to be dislodged.

 

If the IO has any evidence of lawbreaking (working illegally, etc), there are legal reasons to deny entry available.  The IO did not cite one of those reasons. 

 

It is 100% legal to get a new passport, and obtaining valid passports is not an indication of anything criminal (vs illegal "fake passports").  Immigration will have no trouble connecting his old passport with his new one.

 

Immigration has no definition of "normal tourists" vs "non-normal tourists."  The rules for those entering on tourist-entries are simple - you cannot work a Thai job, overstay, or break Thai laws.  That's it.  Nothing about what is "normal" or not.

well thanks for the info then.

also.... i hope you can tell this or try to explain this to the IO... if you have ....

good luck

8 minutes ago, BritTim said:

I do not know about your father, but I knew several offshore workers who were on a 4-week on, 4-week off rotation. It was certainly common in the past.

maybe different position

my father was a brit and the manager of the rig. and im pretty sure it was 6 months at the rig and 3 months off. rest months were for the training new stuff or likewise..

but yes it was..like stoneage ago lol

11 minutes ago, BritTim said:

No. I have lived in many countries over the years, and I know the futility of challenging officials in third world countries with little respect for the rule of law.

Well, thanks for the honest answer. Im not trying to create any argument or trying to be offensive, please understand that. But if even you agree with this then its not ok to kinda suggest another to do so. I know you were just trying to give an info but it wasnt look like that... And we all know if IO says no... its a no. end

13 minutes ago, BritTim said:

It may seem logical, but it is not he law. If you believe it is, identify which subsection under Section 12 of the Immigration Act applies. Further, what is the point of having the consulate decide whether you qualify for a tourist visa if the immigration official on entry can simply override the consulate's decision?

Now, no need to lie. I dont know the law about this. but we all know the paper work or else doesnt matter at the embassy. I mean for me when i go to savannakhet for NON-O visa i dont even give them full paper work for my visa. Plus my last time, which was about 2 months ago... IO officer asked me why i dont extend my NON-O.. I told her i dont have 400K in the bank i cannot. Im trying to live here. She just laughed and said ok. But the thing is she asked!

So in every country and in thailand IO officer still has the full right to stop you.

4 hours ago, Thailand Outcast said:

In the past, a lot of offshore oil rig workers would come to Thailand.  1 month on the rig, 1 month off.  They would come to Thailand for their month off, and had serious money to spend, especially since they had not seen any alcohol or women for 1 month.  These guys are all but gone now, because of Thailand's visa laws.

 

Then, there were miners, many from Australia.  3 weeks in the mine, 2 weeks off, or similar.  Same thing, no alcohol or women, and big money to spend.  All but gone also. 

 

These are just two examples, there are many more, like short term contract workers, people who own businesses in their home country etc. 

 

You think along the same lines as immigration staff, and it is wrong.

 

Just because someone comes to Thailand regularly, doesn't mean they must be working illegally. 

well actually my father was a manager at BP and offshore.

thats not 1 month... it is 6 months there and around 3 months off.. now we can see where this 6 month come from after you get 3 times stamp on your visa ????

2 hours ago, BritTim said:

It gets boring having to continually point this out. Under Thai law, immigration officials are only supposed to deny entry according to reasons laid out in Section 12 of the Immigration Act; or according to ministerial/police orders that identify additional reasons for denied entry. The Immigration Act specifically makes clear that only the Minister has discretion to arbitrarily admit or deny entry. This "official has full power" meme is based on people's assumptions of what the law ought to be based on what is common in Western countries. It has nothing to do with Thai law which is what officials are supposed to be following (not US, UK or Australian law).

wanna tell this to IO face to face?

tbh denied because of multiple entries with TR visa sounds very logical and reasonable to me. Because of many reasons which i have no time and wish to write here. And i still really dont believe it is illegal for the IO to tell you this and deny you. If it is... then its a big WOW

25 minutes ago, Penefattore said:

Thai Immigration has really gone ape.  If they want to put a limit on the days a tourist can stay in Thailand , they must issue a precise rule , so that people know if they can enter or not.

Being denied entry while having a visa is plain outrageous.

At the moment , they are acting like a restaurant chasing away their best customers , which is idiotic to say the least. All money gifted to Cambodia , Vietnam and Indonesia.

i kind of not agree with you. A person who keep coming to the county with any kind of tourist visa is... not normal. common. He might be working here.. or any other things! IO duty is to protect his/her country. and imagine ppl get a new passport to get into the country... this makes more sense to me why IO denying. 

Plus getting a visa and having a visa means nothing. IO officer at the border has the full right to stop you.

18 hours ago, JackThompson said:

"Too much time in Thailand" is not a legal reason to deny entry.  If he didn't have the required 20K Baht in cash, then they could have gotten him on a technicality, as this is a rule on the books.  If he did have it and/or they didn't ask to see it, they probably stamped his passport with "doesn't have enough money to support himself," or similar - since they cannot leave evidence of denying-entry for an illegal reason.

 

It is indeed a legal reason to deny entry. He might be working here... or doing another things. IO duty is to protect his/her country against ppl like these. And he has full right to deny a visitor who is keep coming back. Maybe hes working illegally or else. A person who enters a country many times with any kind of tourist visa is suspicious. 20K is nothing with this, Because its for normal tourists. 

Plus if he even thinking to get a new passport... i would say IO was right tbh.

did they write anything to his passport?

if not Laos land border could be another way

New passport is also an option i believe

another advice which i always do: get a new form for the next time just in case. I always go with a ready filled form but get another one at the embassy for the next time

Hi, 

First of all if i do believe its a fat lady messed up your passport. I observed her work many times. she is the reason why i stopped going to non imm. If it was not her.. sorry

Second, you totally no need to get a new passport. They did a mistake and refuse to fix it. Thats totally illegal and thats why she wants you to go and fix the problem for herself because she knows it is problem for her and she doesnt want boss knows!

The boss name of Non imm is BIG JOE. talk to him. he is a great guy, he will fix it. If she act like doesnt know the name just ask her you want to talk to the big boss. thats all it will take 20 min to fix all

Now little bit more... if i were you i would report her too. she deserved that. or who ever did the mistake. Do that. dont let it go.

Just now, problemfarang said:

 

it is 2000 baht for single 5000 multi.

2 photos and yes can found online but if you cant.. its so easy to get it there.. BUT dont forget this monday is off

 

Just now, bluesofa said:

Thanks.

Is the 5,000 Baht for a single or multiple entry?

Can I find the application form online some where, and it is allowed to print it and fill it in prior to going?

Do I need a photo - one/two?

 

it is 2000 baht for single 5000 multi.

2 photos and yes can found online 

Just now, ubonjoe said:

He only wants a single entry non-o. The fee for it is 2000 baht.

ohh i missed that.. thanks ubon

I would say no for sure like few years back. 

Now this is the technical thing: you get your work permit from the name and info based on your passport. What i mean is your passport is the proof of who you are. So imagine you are going there with 2 different names... so how they can know its you? BUT what can help you is.. You need to go to your embassy for diploma certificate.. your embassy need to stamp your degree telling that its real. So here you can mention them to help you

hi

yes sav is the easiest way but not for long. Because Vientiene embassy started to do some long paper work and need appointment, so all ppl will start to go to sav soon and im sure sav will do the same things very soon.

- wife ID copy

- House book

- Marriage certificate copy and real

- your passport copy

- 5000 baht

- form

thats all

i just did it a month ago. Now there was only a small detail and happened to me first time since 3 years... when i came back to thai imm border, she took my passport and looked for 2 secs and asked me why you dont extend this visa but keep coming and take a new one every year? I told her i dont have 400K in the bank so i cannot, she laughed and said ok. Well it was easy moment but the thing is.. she asked me this time..

hi

I did my run many times at that border.  and yes is a great place to do. and only 3 hrs from BKK

there is a big issue here also: they dont accept any muslim countries or muslim from this border. you need to get a visa from bangkok.. which you need to show a plane ticket ????

So this border is the very best option for the non-muslim ppl living around

BUT, your info is correct and wrong. Or the IO info. First it is correct that IO need evidence to reject you entering country.  Which is very very easy to find one. it is not correct that you CAN enter the country if you have any kind of visa. IO has full right to reject you at the border. thats why they are there. 

22 hours ago, Pravda said:

Savannakhet doesn't have this silly system yet, correct?

Not yet. but i have a friend there who works in the thai embassy.. He told me they will take actions like vientiene embassy too because they scare now all farangs will start to come to savanakhet.. Well we all know this.. People who are lazy to go to Vient. will go to Savanak. and then savanak will do the same procedures same as vientien..

So... i believe it will take another half-year for Savan. to start this.

hi

as Ubon mentioned all options.. no need to say more.

Suggestion: I would come to thailand with a tourist visa.. find a job (dont use any agency they will get your money and salary and not pay you nothing. Thats a well common known info) Plus its always better to walk in any school and apply. After got the job, do the paper work. Also you dont need to leave thailand. You can change your tourist visa to non-b

good luck

13 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Not sure but might be for years.

I cannot see how he could be charged for theft since he informed the owner that it was confiscated by police. I don't think the owner would have the ability get a charge of theft without some solid proof of it.

hi Ubon,

this is something i was thinking. If i read and understood the story correctly... the bike taken by the police... And it looks like they..lost it... So the bike kind of stolen from the police park area... things are wrong here... 

yes, its OPs duty to get back the bike and pay all fees. But its the police station lost the bike.. So i think at this point OP has nothing with the problem. I would take 2 written and signed paper from the thai police that they lost the bike in the parking area. 1 original and copy to the rental office... 1 original for me just in case.

13 hours ago, RickBlaine said:

That's good to know. Looks like I'll be doing mine next month. What time did you get to the office? I don't know whether to dash over there from the hotel as early as I can (I'm 61, with an arthritic knee, so I won't be first), or wait for the rush to go by and stroll in about 10am.

Also, does anyone know if there is secure parking at Mukdahan bridge?

 

hi,

you should be at the thai embassy before 11.00 am I suggest you to be there around 09.00 if you think you cant make it. But bare in mind the later you go the tuk tuk on Laos side will charge you higher because they know you want to go there before 11.00 Normally its 200 baht.. crossing the bridge by bus is 50.

There are 2 parking near the bridge:

- this one is free and kind of inside the immigration or border area. Now if you are going to spend a night in sav. dont park here. They will break your windows.

- another park is just before entering the imm area. It has roof and kind of redish color. you will see it surely. 500 baht for 1 night

another option: You might find a nice parking spot in the city area. Get a tuk tuk or taxi to the border. shouldnt be more than 150 for the taxi and probably same for the tuk tuk
 

yes you can do 90 days border run.. just cross the border.. come back same day.. thats what im doing for 3 years now.. but you will get out of passport pages soon hehe