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12 hours ago, Inn Between said:

I just ran across this for the time and admit to reading none of the comments, but my first reaction is to feel it's a stupid thing to say, and I can't see how making such a statement will endear him to his fellow Thais. 

 

Of course it won't be foreigners who help or influence Thai politics in any way. Doesn't this young man understand the strong and deeply ingrained xenophobic nature of Thais? Thais would never allow anyone but Thais to be part of changes in Thai politics, although the Chinese seem to have a lot of influence on the Junta leader. 

 

If he wants to stay in the spotlight a little longer, I think he should give a lot more consideration to the type of things he says. I can see a lot of Thais taking offense to this person suggesting that Thais haven't been managing their own political situation very well, even if it is true. 

I see your point however if you talk to a few Thais folks, all level of society, age etc., most Thai do understand what h'es saying and support him. I have regular contact with;

• - Young uni students (bachelor and masters level)
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• - The production staff (young and older folks) at a big factory where I have consulting work.
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• - Young and old professors.

The vast majority of all of these folks are talking about 'we need change', I want change', 'time for big change', etc., and many of them can explain what they mean.

IMHO Khun Thanathorn and his party are making progress to get Thailand much more informed, but of course a long way to go.

14 hours ago, JemJem said:

Hey, he is wrong. For instance, the US/NATO have brought democracy to Iraq and Libya !!

 

Oh, but, wait ........

 

 

 Yes and after not too long it all fell apart with disastrous consequences including violence and death.

17 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

They didn't mention Wong Fuk Hing Dai.

And  Sum Yung Man.

On 7/18/2019 at 5:14 AM, LennyW said:

So the police were on patrol in the water and marched them back on to the beach ......LOL, i have this vision of the police herding them on to the shore 5555!!

In other words very poor quality reporting, as usual.

Further, surely the police have more important things to do, there's no need for the cops to be spending time on placards and photo ops.

Spending their time on finding murderers, arresting the local thug mafia would be better. 

5 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

This same mentality has spun mob turf wars among uni-students, taxi and motorcycle workers, and mob attacks even against Buddhist monks suspected of wrong doing...

 

 

 Just shows the very very negative downside of deliberately splitting society into groups, colours, regions etc.

56 minutes ago, ezzra said:

This is not the case whereby a person steals because he/she has to eat, but out of criminal intent, and thus should be dealt using the full force of the law, if only to show that people's money and valuables kept in safes in homes and hotel are protected by the law...

And to show that it's very easy to open typical safes in hotel rooms.

But did she have help to do that? Is there a mastermind?

1 hour ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I think they are challenging what he says the tricky part is getting their voices heard on the military controlled local media to which most Thais watch,that is the news that they only watch because it interrupts their soap operas on the free to air telly.

Good point and I wouldn't be surprised (I hope) FF have thought about this point and have organized other forms of broad communication and a lynch pin logo (maybe a series of say 3 photos:

1) Head and shoulders K. Thanthorn alone 2) The lawyer alone 3) the two mentioned and 2 more from their party, new faces but well recognized for their values and lack of past baggage etc.).

But of course what would be the carrier? I don't have a good idea on that point but perhaps it's possible to use fb or twitter or similar?

1 hour ago, colinneil said:

So the opposition want Prayut to stop and listen !!

He has never done that before, so there is no way he will start now.

Just wondering whether the opposition plan to challenge anything he says, I hope so.

Global house have several sizes, it's in shelving in a room behind the main showroom, and the they cut to what sizes / lengths you want. Bought some pieces there a couple year ago to build some storeroom shelving, quite cheap and they asked if we wanted something in sheets to lay onto the framing. We build the framing first, they had the nuts and bolts and spanner right there, then we measured to get the 5 ply sheets, it was a big order so they cut it for us an it was delivered. From memory the total fee to cut the 5 ply was 200B.  

4 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

This is and remains a domestic problem, an issue to be solved by Thais for Thais - exclusively. 

Foreigners, nastily called "alien" or "farang" have been an eyesore in many Thais view and if not for the money they would have kicked all of us out long time ago. We are more democratic and possibly better educated which is absolutely contradictory to the oligarch elite's way of cheating the majority of the Thai electorate. Latter does not care as they were told from Day 1 to shut up, listen to the Pooyais, the elder, richer, higher positioned and untouchables. Entire Thailand is connected to each other by a rotten system of "pi" and "nong" where connection and not ability and skills count. 

Hence Mr Thanathorn is well advised to listen and study how non-Asian countries work but then look for a Thai version of democracy. The system I've been living in this country for the last 35 years is provenly disastrous and the abyss is around the corner. 

In closing, this is Thailand, the Land of the Thais and we alien, farang, kaek, jeck and whatever other names Khon Thai has for all the lesser races, we shut up and keep our mouth closed for good reason. Thanathorn did not manage the first time, might fail on the second time but over time it will be a new generation setting the records straight and in line with the needs of Thai people in the 21st century - unless that is too late already as far as education, riddance of corruption and patronization is concerned. We will see ........ good luck Thailand, you will need LOTS of it! 

nice comments.

"Hence Mr Thanathorn is well advised to listen and study how non-Asian countries work but then look for a Thai version of democracy."  Can I suggest folks do further reading about Khun Thanathorn' extensive & comprehensive education in several other countries, also his past statements about reducing the gap, his past activities with the poor and disadvantaged.

Further he has brought into his party balanced clever, humble people who speak well, have civil society as their anchor point etc. Folks with past baggage are not accepted. 

He impresses me, I think he's the person.

13 minutes ago, ramr said:

As a matter of strategy and optics, foreigners inside and outside the country cannot be seen as interfering.  

 

And yet a democracy suited to this country cannot be built by only by Thais who know only life inside Thailand.  It will also need the input of smart, caring, selfless, educated Thais who have live/been educated abroad and wish to adapt the best foreign ideas to make their own country better without trying to make it a clone of Western democracies.  And they will need to be able to make their case to the Thai people that some difficult changes are necessary to move forward and do not represent the end of Thai culture.  Just the end of some of the  attitudes and institutions that are holding them back.

 

Sounds idealistic, I know, and it's a high bar, but these Thais do exist, and in increasing numbers, I think.  And hope.

 

 

 I totally agree they do exist and I put Khun Thanathorn near the top of that list.

13 minutes ago, petemoss said:

Actions speak louder than words. We will only know the answer to that if and when he comes to power.

 

A bit like Taksin, although I do think Taksin is the best leader Thailand has had, that's a very low bar.

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14 minutes ago, petemoss said:

Actions speak louder than words. We will only know the answer to that if and when he comes to power.

 

A bit like Taksin, although I do think Taksin is the best leader Thailand has had, that's a very low bar.

So how about answering my question:

So what do you think his (Khun Thanathorn's) democracy is?

2 minutes ago, ujayujay said:

Nobody can help Thailand in his so called "Democracy"

So what do you think his (Khun Thanathorn's) democracy is?

1 hour ago, Lucius verus said:

Its not our fault. Why would farangs want to help ungrateful Thais anymore? All they want from us is money and free homes for their poor families.

Soi dogs are higher up the pecking order than farangs.

What do farangs legally own?

You want democracy then get rid of all the thousands of useless army generals and bring back Thaksin. He's greedy but millions  love him. Good for the economy.

You're on your own Thais!

You dug your own hole so lie in it.

 So you believe Thailand is just poor families in esan who get some support from a farang.

Time to get out and about and see that Thailand is a much bigger much more comprehensive picture, all different to the above.

1 hour ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Weren't you one of the posters celebrating the military coup and subsequent military rule?

Let's get this right.

I saw the need to put a stop to yinglucks lack of management and her gangs lack of ethics (go ahead at the instructions of the CM shins to make fake country to country rice deals and more) get the boy back through unscrupulous 3 am votes, and the deliberate break down of the checks and balances.

I didn't strongly support suthep but I did see a need to somehow throw the shins and their scaly leaches out, Other poster have a million times labelled me as a  'junta hugger' and more, a bit of research will show that I was criticizing the junta from the start.

5 minutes ago, Reigntax said:

You are correct but at least we have options.

The Thai majority are treated the same. 

'We are treated like scum...'

Is that really true or is Thailand just trying to get things in order, as you find in many countries.