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1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Yes, correct. I don't believe in masks, but you're still not infecting yourself, but being infected by someone else. But that infection could have been avoided.

I guess I'm a little lost when someone says, if you infect yourself = you already have it ...

How can I infect myself if I already have it?

But I can very likely infect myself by putting a finger in my eye, when I want to place or correct that mask on my face.

Or take it off ... touch something, and put it back the other way around. Or something like that. Just by incorrect usage, throughout the day.

We only wash our hands mostly when we come back home ... but we touch a lot of things outside, and also touch our masks when we are outside, in between hand wash's. 

Leaving out the topic of wearing that same mask for many days in a row.

In summary, to me, we should not touch our face with our hands ... but we put something directly on our mouth, coming directly from our unwashed hands, while we are busy doing shopping outside. Multiple times. Before we wash our hands again.

Ok, some gel in between. Anyways, I'm not complaining, almost 'normal' now to wear a mask before entering a shop.

It was just initially a quick reply to Yin, and then I hear from her this is not possible ????

37 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, correct. I don't believe in masks, but you're still not infecting yourself, but being infected by someone else. But that infection could have been avoided.

Yep, that's the only thing I said ... "unless you are fiddling around with the mask too much, which most do."

But Yin said ... not possible. Or not understood what I mean.

43 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Not possible.

 

corona come from infection person.

If you infect yourself= already have it!

If some else spits or sneezes on a table ... and I touch it with my hand. 

I'm not infected immediately. If I wash my hands ... never get infected. Corona gone.

But if I now touch my mask a hundred times, touch around my face/mouth/eyes  ... I get infected, or not?

Please, tell me I got this correctly, otherwise I missed a lot of things over the past 8 weeks.

People with a mask on touch around their face a lot more often. Mask on, mask off, on the chin, back on, move it up, down etc.

5 hours ago, Yinn said:

Good idea.

Thai people same.

Yep, but not when you touch it with your hands hundred times, wear it on the chin for a while, put it back on, 10 times per day, and the next day. Then you infect yourself, potentially.

I wish at least on the vaccine topic, there would be a clear definition and unified answer from medicals all over the world.

Alas, this is another one of those gray areas where you read so many different opinions about.

48 minutes ago, nightbird said:

Sure,, but it is Thais that make the rules and regulations. 

I don't think any Thai person has anything against a street cart, but ... as you say, who makes the rules and regulations in a democratie?

18 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Plenty of cheap restaurants to eat in and free ice with your coke or water.

Missing the point about the street life and freedom, the Thai ppl enjoyed for how long?

31 minutes ago, candide said:

Please allow me to give you a tip in order to make your own mind. All countries having members of their national administration holding high positions at the WHO had access to the same information. Some were successful, others failed. 

What did Germany and SK (to name a few) decided and implemented that the US did not? There are a few good and accessible articles on the Internet. It's not so difficult to find them and read them. Important element: take into account the time dimension.

"What did Germany and SK (to name a few) ..."

Well, I posted this video from the Health minister above where he explains it.

People don't have to agree with everything any government does and/or dictates (that's how it starts to feel now after 7-8 weeks).

But this health minister is just listing the things which helped ... and he mentioned unity, IMO, a major factor.

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/huddle/2020/03/30/could-congress-have-done-more-to-prepare-for-coronavirus-488748

 

So many different circumstances for different countries.

There were still flights flying in and out of China to Thailand somewhere end of Feb/beginning of March, and no outbreak here?

Yet, people are discussing the value/impact of the flight shutdown from China in Jan in the US? And whom's fault it is?

There are other countries, which have a high number of infections, but don't have a high dead toll, i.e. Germany.

IMO ... for what's it is worth, not much most likely, it's the unity and preparedness of a country, over several administrations.

And not that constant bickering between rep/dem, as it is in the US. No one can't see the truth anymore, incl. that media in the mix.

This video from the German Health Minister is 3 weeks old. I don't think this is a fake news kind of video ... he speaks up clearly 

when asked about the reasons why it's better in Germany, with high number of infections, yet being surrounded by Italy, UK, Spain.

As of today, Germany opens up, people don't have these heavy disagreements internally. Sure, different opinions, and also heavy discussions.

But not to the extend what we see from the US on a daily basis. That has a lot to do with it, IMO.

This extreme dem/rep, super confusing media from all sides and constant fights over the past years ... not standing together as a unity in a country.

Same as in this thread, or any Trump thread, maybe that is the real downfall of this all?

Very difficult to look through of all of this ... I read up and read up, on all different kind of sources, and get non the wiser out of it ... other than the conclusion that's it all a big blame game on steroids.

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

Most of the street food is of very poor quality anyway. Better to go to a good restaurant.

? double post again

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

Most of the street food is of very poor quality anyway. Better to go to a good restaurant.

oh come on, that was and is the big charme, street life and freedom of the people in Thailand.

Should we all checkin to MK or Santa Fe now? ;-(

Does everybody want to remove and change everything now? 

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

Most of the street food is of very poor quality anyway. Better to go to a good restaurant.

double post

59 minutes ago, JAG said:

Opinions in this forum vary across a broad range, from those expecting (relishing even) successive waves, with massive death tolls globally. possibly ending life as we know it; to the "grow up and put your long trousers on, it's only a nasty bout of flu" brigade! Both sides seem to have marshalled statistics and collected expert opinions to support their hypothesis - perhaps a result of having too much time on their hands during "lock-down" and the astonishing amount of contradictory opinion on the internet. I am somewhere in between, aware of the deaths, but conscious of the fact that in societies where more exhaustive records have been kept many were elderly, with other health problems - put callously, they were likely to die from many causes soon anyway!

 

I am also like many struck by the disparity between the effects of the virus in South East Asia and Western Europe, and even more so the USA. I am sure that geographical factors (climate, social habits, open air living, diet, comparative lack of access to air conditioning [in my mind perhaps the biggie] and general genetic and population wide immunities) play a very wide part in this. I am sure that social distancing, personal protective habits and school closures have played a part as well - I teach primary and junior secondary so I know what a disease incubator a classroom can be.

 

There are so many variables in play here, that I expect it will take a long time before any definite answers emerge, perhaps never as they will inevitably be viewed through various political prisms. But as I said, I tend to the middle view, and have some confidence in humankind and natures ability to come through it; perhaps despite our political establishment's best efforts.

 

I am also concerned, like many, that over authoritarian responses could lead to massive damage - greater than maybe the effects of the epidemic - on our societies. Again, I am sure that I am not alone in questioning some of the motivations of those in power.

 

I agree with your point of view overall ... no need to pick parts out and start discussions, at least not for me.

After sitting here for so many weeks, watching this all ... no one, not a single person knows the who's and why's, certainly not the governments.

But the dramatic news pieces from EUR/UK/US to follow for everyone ... certainly has weighted in big time for the irrational behavior of other countries, ie. countries which have only counted 56 dead ppl so far, and not seen any real outbreak.

I will sit back and continue watching, but I'm getting more critical about this, as time goes by.

5 minutes ago, connda said:

Then the various governments of the world will collectively destroy their economies and crush their populations until the majority have had enough - then the world will fundamentally change forever. 
The real question is: "Ten years from now - who is going to survive the original man-made nightmare no less its consequences?"

Well, for the very short term ... the unemployment numbers take an unprecedented take off ... and the stock market is booming. 

That was something else yesterday.

29 minutes ago, Choochai said:

The whole CVD19 plandamic is laughable, but the sheeple buy it. This forum is a congregation of sheeple, with sometimes a real mind that thinks for him/herself... 

I don't think it has necessarily something to do with sheeple.

If you take under consideration that many expats on here are pensioners, and sit at home, and can sit at home, most with steady income ... and fall into a vulnerable category, it's quite a logic point of view to have. At least, I could imagine this playing a role.

But I think that even the most supportive people sooner or later are going to wonder, whether all the measures make sense or are hyped up.

49 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Control. He is evil. His mission is to impose genetically modified organism and digital dictatorship to farmers around the world.

Regarding Covid-1984, all the videos on YouTube/Facebook/Twitter explaining this have been removed - he controls the media, including the BBC. 

 

Considered the fact he gaves us all those flaky Windows systems and ctl-alt-del crashes over the past decades, there might be some truth in it ????

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I'm sure Bill Gates is involved somehow, and will make billions!

 

 

But he already had billions, why should he do this or what is the motivation? I hear this theory a lot, but have a hard time to get my head around it.

4 hours ago, Venom said:

Another 54 deaths in Thailand is very possible if there's a second wave! Once the economy is completely destroyed there could be 70 million of Thailand's poor and homeless people being herded like cattle into the food and free handout lines. Nobody knows for certain. 

I think after 7-8 weeks, it's now fair to ask more detailed questions, how many of these 55 dead people died of covid, or had any other pre-conditions or age, or even not been tested and assumed covid victims?

And what measures and restrictions are good (wash your hands, don't touch your face, don't handshake, wear a mask etc.), to keep, and what is irrational and kills of the future and business of millions of people?

At what point could we all fairly say, there has not been an outbreak?

These are not only questions I have Thailand specific, but in general, for many countries.

13 minutes ago, mikosan said:

So, if they hadn't banned the sale of alcohol in the first place there wouldn't have been any 'rabid buying' and the urge to stock up, causing the possibility of further infections.  Furthermore, most of those journeys to visit relatives were planned for the long weekend and long before people were aware that the alcohol ban was being lifted.  What they should have done is cancel the long weekend, like they did Songkran, then the booze ban, or its lifting, would have been irrelevant.

Who needed a long weekend after being at home and business shut down for weeks?

Just open up would be better.

Business owners ran for it, and everyone else, very logically. 

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

You can buy alcohol during normal hours, just go to a wholesaler.

Those that bought trolleys in the supermarket just didn't want the inconvenience of going somewhere else, easier to inconvenience others.

Whats a wholesaler?

Makro? Followed by Tesco? In reality. Where do all the retailers buy their stock from?

I have seen multiple multiple times staff driving down to 7/11 ... to stock up, if beer runs short during a night (in the old times).

And for the alcohol ban, I believed it made sense to bridge over the songkran period, to prevent the same happening as i.e. Madi Gras. 

But not to this extend. I don't believe that made the difference.