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The anti-vaxxer conveniently denies/disregards the fact that real-life testing ie emergency usage of current vaccines has been carried out since the start of this year (or a smidgen earlier) on millions of humans. Shy on just one year, and millions upon millions jabs shot in arms. Anyone whose brains don't fog and whose eyes don't glaze can read data and see for themselves the benefits absolutely outweigh the (of needle in the haystack kind) risks. That vaccines do brilliantly the job that they are supposed to do. Save lives, keep people alive and away from the ICU. Yet the anti-vaxxer still insists on putting their faith on tests that should last 5-10 years (actually a bunch of nurses in the Mid west part of the USA demanded 12-14 years, because as nurses they just wanted a higher markup...) because real life data so far is not "adequate" enough. Why not makes it 20 - 40 years, just to be ever more sure? It seems perfectly fine with these folks that people around them will be dropping dead like flies with covid while they're playing with the numbers game. It's a different religion, nah, let's call a cult a cult, as in the let's all drink the cool-aid.

This kind of topic "investigating" this kind of data is getting long in the tooth, and seems to exist only for the sake of those anti-vaxxers/chinese bashers who need their daily fix, and to stir up the covid dis-information swamp (yawn.) Even scientists get weary these days, struggling to keep up with the self-perpetuating mass hysteria. A self-licking ice cream, if there ever was one.

No miraculous vaccine past, present and future, can ever prevent the virus from getting inside your nose/ear/eye/throat - in short any openings on your body - and landing on your membranes when you give it a chance. Btw, that's how infection starts. If by now, you haven't been able to distinguish between infection and diseases, or more specifically between infectiousness, transmissibility and spread, then it's time you listen to something more concrete than hearsay or dis/mis-information. Otherwise you will keep on spouting - and people around you will have to keep on putting up with, and collectively suffering the consequence thereof - endless varieties of the same nonsense. Garbage in, garbage out. Or maybe by any chance, that's your MO?

Oh no, Granpa missed getting his meds refilled again.

Even those fully vaxxed with mrna vax also need boosters. Science is developing as it goes and we are learning how long vax-immunity lasts. Remember vaccines have come out not even ONE year. Scientists and the part of the population who bother to educate themselves don't get caught up by mass hysteria. Simply bored, and disgusted, by it.

This is called p!ssing in the wind. Have some decency and do it in your own backyard.

There are "vaxxers," then "anti-vaxxers..." and then there "I'm not anti-vaxxer BUT..." How do you call these? V-RINOS?

And you don't mean bleach, do you? Science is out there for anyone with reading and critical thinking ability to learn all they want to know about covid and/or any other subject matter. And then there quacks who act like news broker and pseudo medical professionals with agendas who come on the scene to calm down mass hysteria and spoon feed folks who are too lazy to educate themselves. On this forum it has become an annoying game a la whackamole to flush out the covid trolls and dust away their nonsensical (black is white) data/logic. Above is another glorious example.

This is like I don't want the firemen to put out the fire because the smoke might have long term effects ( that "We don't know. And won't for years...") In the meantime, never mind that the house is burning down and I'm trapped in it. This is anti-vaxxers logic, kept repeating ad nauseam and hoping that some fools would buy it. Tough luck.

Here's the link: Just insert "Also by Chinese in Italy." between the 1st and 2nd sentences. Source: 'Gomorrah: Italy's Other Mafia' by Roberto Saviano. Or you can watch the movie.

The term of "oxymoron" comes to mind...

Science is out there for anyone with reading and critical thinking ability to learn all they want to know about covid and/or any other subject matter. And then there quacks who act like news broker and pseudo medical professionals with agendas who come on the scene to calm down mass hysteria and spoon feed folks who are too lazy to educate themselves. On this forum it has become an annoying game a la whackamole to flush out the covid trolls and dust away their nonsensical (black is white) data/logic. Above is a glorious example.

I see it as a medical professional with a different opinion. Your username has a prefix as a Dr, do you have medical credentials, genuinely interested. Same question should apply to a certain "Dr. Campbell" (from Youtube) often cited as trusted source of Covid related issues by many on this forum. To discuss medical matter using a "Dr." mantle while you have the level of medical knowledge as that of a RN - is not kosher.

Apparently Trump heard you and he recommended bleach. That would stop spreading immediately and would bypass hospitalization altogether.

Covid on the other hand, has very short-term effects. The most notorious one is death.

Same here. The vaccine rollout takes time to settle itself, just like yeast. We humans on the other hand, are endowed with brains - some of which still usable to some of us - so we did what we call "calculated risk." Folks who were in low-grade panic would jump over (musical) chairs to get the latest or supposedly best vax out there in the market and ended up over-vaxxed themselves, not taking into consideration that the antibodies that were "born" with the first jab need time to mature in order to get "boosted" by the 2nd or 3rd. Surely those wasted jabs went out with the <deleted> without doing anybody any good. Had those been left in their vial they would probably have been used on 1st time vaxxers and saved some lives...Unfortunately most of the time people don't think of others where their own interest is concerned.

Short answer to a long and winding road, I mean, question is "viral load." Look it up and please do some further follow up research before asking the next question.

Well put, and allow me to elaborate further: In recond time, one year -instead of five, ten or twenty - into the pandemic modern medicine has started producing good vaccines that keep folks alive and out of ICU. And yet people still distrust science, demand the impossible 100% protection, debate endlessly whether to vax or not to vax, and when they do, pulling their hair out trying to make up their mind whether it's better to run away from the coming flood in a Mercedes, a Ford or a Nissan (some decide that if they can't get a Mercedes they would rather stay put!) then criticize whatever have been out as not given enough time for testing, as if the reality of millions been vaccinated with very few getting adverse effects was not already in itself a tremendous success as far as testing is concerned, etc. This is what I call mass hysteria.

Also the only question needed to be asked is "Which arm?" - and that can also be done via sign language. The whole questionnaire period is a waste of (precious) time.

Thank you for the clear info and spot on statistics. I also would like to add that neither a vaccine is a metal barricade that should keep the virus out. So when the trend surfaces about vaccinated people "getting covid!" that doesn't mean the vaccine has "failed." Many among the vaxxed population would be "getting" covid one time or another due from various circumstances, but the virus would be quickly brushed off by their strengthened immune system - thanks to the vaccine they have taken - and they might not even know they have "gotten" anything.

When will people ever learn that vaccines don't stop the virus from entering your body. Their job is to prepare "all hands on deck" for your immune system to do battle with these baddies once they're inside. Yes, she was infected, but what kind of damage was done to her subsequently? A little this (fever) a little that (sore throat, body ache), she'll be fine. Nothing to laugh at. Also how long after vaxxed that she got Covid? If less than 2 weeks then the vax prep wasn't done yet.

Just in and from what hole? top or bottom? and where does it say 74% were admitted to hospital? Get your not-so-straight fact straight, man.

Somehow this all makes sense...

Right on. Latest discussion trend re variant du jour is only the mRNA, pardon the pun, of the whole hysteria over Covid, which (the hysteria that is, covid is here to stay) won't be over until the majority of people get vaccinated. It's like people walking on tightrope without handrail, the chatter never ceases. (Self) education should help separate the wheat from the chaff as far as information is concerned, unfortunately it seems a bitter pill to take for the majority of folks. So let's continue the hysterics over what's next vicious variant vs. imperfect vaccine cycle on the horizon, while bobbing from one covid wave to the next.

Even veteran immunologists would be hard pressed to make such broad statement.