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1 minute ago, JeffersLos said:Has a Koh Chang taxi or songteow driver found 3 million baht left on the backseat and returned it to its owner yet?
That will be tomorrow's headline!!!
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1 minute ago, vinny41 said:According to both the hotel and Tripadvisor the main one was published and it was online for 5 days before it was removed
Since the review was against TripAdvisor’s review guidelines, it was removed after a week of being displayed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VZCwyULmkLpZ7y5nT5wsaX0mn8waPd4H/view
The BBC reported two days ago that Mr Barnes was quoted as saying "He still hopes to resolve the case with the hotel directly."
And according to the Yank it wasn't!
What do we know to be fact, a person put four negative reviews on a website, thin skinned person throws a hissy fit and gets guest jailed under a draconian control law
Makes headlines around the world and shines a light on stuff Thailand would rather keep out of the spotlight
Thai hotel realises they have opened a can of worms and cannot get the lid back on and the loss of face becomes epic
Hotel then tries to make it go away by trying to appear magnanimous by offering mediation to the guest they had jailed
Conclusion: The whole lot are idiots but a hotel catering to international customers has shown they have no idea how to deal with any loss of face, their overreaction has resulted in news all over the world that reflects very poorly on Thailand in general and the hotel in particular!!
Epic Thai foot in mouth...
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I wonder how high up this came from, I reckon pressure has been applied onto the hotel to try and make this go away, problem is damage has been done and the world has now become privy to Thailand's little man control laws!!
Reckon they deserve whatever they get, any hotel that get's a guest jailed for posting 4 negative review's of which the main one they are whining about was never published don't deserve to stay in the hospitality business, complete knobs all around...
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1 hour ago, Eindhoven said:In case it hasn't been posted over the past 60 pages: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VZCwyULmkLpZ7y5nT5wsaX0mn8waPd4H/view
So that's four reviews, four!!! the first of which (modern slavery) was never published according to other post's on here until the hotel released it in their press release! that in of itself tells a story of how bothered they really are
Talk about thin skinned! that there are western educated people supporting this emotionally stunted reaction is scary but not that surprising as there are lots of petty curtain twitchers on here!!
Their point 1:
He left fabricated stories on his reviews on TripAdvisor and Google that included xenophobic connotations, accusations of slavery and even comments that could mislead readers to associate our property with the Coronavirus.
No he expressed an opinion, whether that is right or wrong is impossible to prove plus this was as far as I can tell never published until aforementioned thin skinned person released it as part of their damage limitation exercise. Right or wrong, no idea ill thought out on both sides certainly, reason to jail a guest absolutely not, ability to cause massive problems in the long term absolutely!!
Point 2:
He had been posting reviews roughly 1-2 weeks apart with obvious defamatory intentions. We chose to file a complaint to serve as a deterrent, as we understood he may continue to write negative reviews week after week for the foreseeable future.
Nope he wrote four review's, vindictive and stupid definitely, reason to go to jail absolutely not, scope to cause massive problems to the hotel in the future abso<deleted>inlutley!!!
Point 3:
Despite our multiple efforts to contact him to resolve this in an amicable way for well over a month, he chose to ignore us completely. He only replied to our emails, messages on review sites, etc. once he had been notified of our complaint by the authorities.
What they have done is also known as intimidation, do as I say or I will hurt you!!! they know what they are doing and right or wrong it is a poor business decision, reason to jail a person absolutely not, possibility to cause the entire tourism industry damage high, possibility to cause massive negative PR to Thailand ginockapod!
In conclusion was the American a massive knob for not paying the corkage fee and his subsequent action's, yep he was in my opinion was the hotel thin skinned and stupid definitely
Will it cause future problems for the hotel and Thailand in general? I reckon it will, I am an ex guest there and will never return so that's one, will they care probably not...
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6 hours ago, vinny41 said:
People in many different countries are being sued for negative hotels reviews that they have left in many different countries
if you are sued its an expensive and costly business
The problem for both hotels and review sites is without reviews their business model is screwed and in the case of review websites they may as well closed if no reviews are being published
Do you care to point out a few of these many active cases because you know what I haven't managed to find any, tbh I have not looked very hard but I reckon the reason this is news is because it's rare as hens teeth, happy to be proved wrong....
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The hub of closing the gate after the horse has buggered off!!!
You could be forgiven for thinking that the vast amount of form filling and paperwork required to absolutely bloody everything they might of got the hang of this paperwork and administration thingymebob, you would be wrong...
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4 hours ago, snoop1130 said:
Initially, however, he said he will sue the EC, demanding 70 million baht in compensation for the loss of the opportunity to perform his duty as an MP.
Blimey is that the going rate they expect for a term at the trough?
Thailand is truly shafted by the whole nest of snakes, their greed and lack of anything even resembling honesty or honour is appalling, all the lot of them are despicable and beneath contempt....
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10 minutes ago, Strongheart said:
The guy lives on a planet where the sky is pink.
He actually said:"People who didn't want the country opened were not those suffering in the decimated tourist industry."
A more stupid thing I have not heard in my life!!!
Oh I don't know give him 5 minutes....
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14 minutes ago, vinny41 said:But as we alll know it wasn't 1 review it was 4 reviews over a period of 2 months
"The management says it had told Mr Barnes several times they would not go ahead with pressing charges if he stopped writing new "false" reviews."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54335789
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An Hotel Owner’s Story on Fake Reviews on TripAdvisor and how long it takes Tripadvisor to review fake reviews before removal
https://tripadvisorwatch.wordpress.com/trip-advisor-fake-reviews/
September 2018
“We see this as a landmark ruling for the Internet,” said Brad Young, VP, associate general counsel at TripAdvisor. “Writing fake reviews has always been fraud, but this is the first time we’ve seen someone sent to jail as a result.
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For the sake of clarity and because only the BBC linked report is specifically about this particular case and, it is also undeniably a Thai legal issue wrt abuse or misuse I have added some stuff from the BBC link from a man who has first hand experience of Thai defamation law:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54335789
'A law unusually easy to abuse'
Jonathan Head, BBC South East Asia correspondent, Thailand
Thailand is not unique in criminalising defamation, but the law, which carries a punishment of up to two years in prison, is unusually easy to abuse. I was prosecuted for criminal defamation in 2016 for a report I made for the BBC. The plaintiff dropped the case 18 months later.
Plaintiffs do not have to get the police or a prosecutor to file a criminal complaint - they can file directly to a court, and courts rarely reject them. So anyone subject to such a complaint almost invariably becomes a criminal defendant, summoned to court to defend themselves, or subject to arrest if they don't.
The defendant will have to post bail, and if a foreigner, will have their passport held by the court and the cases often last many years. They cannot recoup the substantial costs of defending such cases, even if they win, unless they file a separate civil case. The plaintiffs, on the other hand, are not liable to pay costs even if they lose.
It gets worse. In Thailand truth is not an automatic defence as it is in many countries. So even if what you have said, or reported, is true, and the plaintiff admits it is true, you can still go to jail, unless you can prove there is a public interest in reporting it. Finding reliable and affordable lawyers is also very difficult.
Unsurprisingly, criminal defamation cases are frequently used in commercial or political disputes. Rights groups allege that they are often abused to harass and silence those fighting injustice. One poultry processing company has filed as many as 38 legal cases, many of them criminal defamation, against workers and human rights campaigners who complained about labour abuses. One journalist has already received a two-year prison sentence for social media comments about the case.
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6 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:Totally incorrect.
Defamation has been a criminal offence in Thailand for as long as I can remember - it is not a new thing and has nothing to do with the coup.This, LM and the computer crimes act prosecutions have all gone up since the coup it is without a doubt a control measure and little to do with crime or making society safer
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51 minutes ago, polpott said:
It was the Thai owner.
Out of interest I have read the 1 and 2 star reviews on trip advisor and there is a common theme there and some of the hotel replies are overtly passive aggressive, some are downright insulting. Tells you a lot
Never really took too much notice when I have stayed there but then again I am used to poor service at most places and just expect it more so on the islands where there is a limited pot of staff...
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Anybody see the hypocrisy at work here?
The same people need to extend the state of emergency for the good of the general public yet at the same time are flying Chinese into Phuket, mind boggling really...
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Don't know if it's already been mentioned and apologies if it has but I would be really interested to see who owns the ASQ hotels that are being used
It would appear they are the only people making money out of this, certainly isn't the rest of the population at large...
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I only see two lawyers where the picture of the beauty queen?
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4 hours ago, webfact said:
The case prompted Nonthaburi immigration to go to Sarasas Witaed Ratchapreuk School in Pak Kret to check up on all 74 foreigners working there. The rest were found to be in Thailand legally.
Seriously! they expect us to believe it was only the 75th naughty teacher who was not legal to work in Thailand??
Seriously, in the land where corruption is everywhere and the Police are for sale?
I call BS on this and I also reckon the authorities are probably a bit more wealthy and the school a little less so...
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7 minutes ago, Alex25 said:
Boy, as somebody who spend 45 years in the crisis communications business, I can tell you it's not easy to be stupid enough to turn a minor dispute into a New York Times front-page scandal, but here's proof positive, it can be done.
Thanks for that you just summed it up nicely!!
World news, front pages, critical examination, reckon this hotel has turned into a nightmare for TaT and the tourism industry in general and rightly so
Highlights how 'face' is keeping this country back the fact this comes on the back of red bull and the student protest's doesn't help. There's a saying any publicity is good publicity, well in this case I disagree...
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Thailand target's many things but rarely get anywhere near the bullseye, now if they targeted foot in mouth gaffes from ministers and generals they would be world class dead-eyed dicks, presently they're just dicks...
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1 minute ago, ChipButty said:
One thing about the Marriott group is the best breakfast you will ever get
The one in Rayong has a great restaurant and the pools are awesome and much less busy than the Pattaya one, come to think of it that was one of the reasons we liked the Sea view as their pools are really good as is their beech, shame really but I personally will not reward an organisation willing to stoop to getting negative reviews jailed, then again I have a moral code I try to live by
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1 minute ago, Andy from Kent said:
Please tell us all how much you paid for each nite of your visit.
Surely you weren't paying 6,000 THB a nite.
Thee last visit would have been about 2014 and it was expensive however I was working offshore at the time and more than happy to push the boat out but no I don't think I would have been paying that much but it would have been in the 3's I think!!
I always plan ahead and book early, for anybody interested another favourite of mine is the Marriott in Rayong again not cheap but brilliant food and you get what you pay for, I have been to enough <deleted>ty places to choose never to do that again only ever search 4 or 5 star places!
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2 minutes ago, Huckenfell said:Having read the genuine reviews obviously written by people who could afford to stay there. I am looking forward to staying at this resort one day.
I have stayed there three times with my family and even had a five day break with my mum and dad when they visited and I must say it's a lovely place, that said I will not be staying again as any establishment who has to resort to these actions has lost it's way
The day they believe jailing guests who criticise them is the way to go they have advertised their true opinion and shown incredible arrogance and lack of critical thinking
The American sounds like a knob but that is not the point! hotel's like this cater to international guests who are not used to backward laws and 'face' for them to stoop to this rather than put a bit of effort into discrediting the Yank as most right thinking readers of the review would have done anyway shows they are unable to think beyond 'face'
Seems they have caused irreparable damage to their reputation and the internet and foreign news are onto the story, guess you just can't fix stupid...
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4 hours ago, webfact said:
Vicha said that the reason he accepted the responsibility even though he was 74 years old was to initiate reforms in the legal system
My mum used to say if you've nothing nice to say then say nothing at all, my opinion is that's <deleted>...
I was never good with <deleted> advice so I feel it's my duty to point out this guy has enjoyed a whole lifetime of watching/enjoying corruption and personally I feel it's highly unlikely he will change
Reforms? I hope so but doubt it, more of the same hypocrisy, lying, corruption and same old <deleted> different day, on past experience that is guaranteed....
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4 hours ago, webfact said:
However, he was certain that the Thai legal system was the “strongest”, but the people who applied it were the problem since Thailand has nurtured nepotism for years and it had resulted in a social gap in both the economy and justice.
Anybody who says the the words 'thai legal system' and 'strongest' in the same sentence is <deleted>in deluded, 'nepotism' however fits right in...
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4 hours ago, webfact said:
“When 12 - and 13-year-olds march on the streets raising three-finger salutes, and adorn themselves with white ribbons all over Thailand, it shows how corrupt people with power are,” Vicha said.
This guy is in position of responsibility, I wonder what he thinks about people potentially getting jailed for 2 years because they post a negative review on a website
Wonder if anybody with even a minimal degree of intelligence believes this will make Thailand's tourist industry more appealing to the foreign market
Seriously have to question some facets of Thai society...
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13 minutes ago, billd766 said:
I have been reading since I was old enough to get a junior library card in the 1950s and apart from Angola every country I have been to/worked in I have managed to find second hand books. I have about 500 or so hard copy books that I have read and reread over the years but a few years ago I met a guy who downloaded me 165 Gb of ebooks.
I have been catalogueing them over the years but had to start again in 2016 when my hard drive crashed and I lost 2 years work. Fortunately the downloaded stuff was on a seperate hard drive si I started once again. I try to work for about an hour a day and so far I don't think I am even 25% finished.
Up to 31 December last year I had converted 4,062 authors to the Mobi format and I reckon I must have about 30,xxx books and perhaps another 50,xxx to deal with.
I use a Lenovo tablet to read them on using FB reader which is a good free program.
Don't know if you have tried a kindle mate but if you've not it is a revelation compared to reading on anything else, the bog standard one now is just as good as the more expensive kindle paperwhite version other than not being waterproof, plenty of free stuff available too
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Thai hotel seeks deal with guest facing jail over bad reviews
in Thailand News
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Nonsense, it's all about face, pure and simple!!
The inability to accept that they could not intimidate the Yank meant a hissy fit of massive proportions was thrown along with the dummy being spat, zero forethought was used now they must accept the consequences
Cannot believe anybody is so naïve as to not be able to see this!
There are no winners in this but trying to defend the hotels action speaks volumes...