JensenZ

This was never up for debate. The debate was over the degree of risk and how statistics distort that. That's also just common sense.

I don't believe in assessing possible danger by "I've lived here X number of years and never been attacked, so it must be safe". I don't scoff at these type of reports. It's quite possible you are better behaved than most, don't sit around Pattaya beach on your own in the evening, or that you're just lucky. I've been here a long time, and still consider the danger of being randomly attached as a possibility, and always keep my wits about me when I'm out and about. That means being on my best behaviour and not walking around drunk. I don't feel comfortable walking past groups of Thais who are drinking. When I first got here I was quite young and physically imposing (compared to your average Thai), but now I'm getting old and more frail. The risk increases with age.

Hmmm. I've been called a "dude" a number of times on here, so it's still in common use here, at least. As already stated, and casting all of your baiting aside for a moment, the actual risk level of any vehicle which is well maintained is determined by how the vehicle is ridden or driven. If I make a riding error, there's a good chance only I will suffer, but if you do the same in your big safe car, other people might die while you're strapped into your comfortable chair. Sliding off a motorcycle is survivable. Being hit by a car is a different matter.

So it is quite clear you don't read anything, just post your opinion on statistics that you quote but never show. It was made clear in many posts where I live. I had to conclude you fancy yourself a "statistical analyst" as it's the only thing you've talked about. If I did live in a rural area, I would own a car, but riding a scooter on rural roads would be much more dangerous than slowly on congested urban streets. I don't suppose you'd have some statistics to refute that claim, would you? I used to ride motorcycles on rural roads in the Philippines, with big buses and trucks passing me at high speeds. The sugar cane trucks were the worst. That was scary sh*t. Buses and trucks would pass on blind bends, both passing me and coming at me, often forcing me off the road.

Dude, you have a real problem comprending anything. It's not the motorcycle, but the rider of it that determines the level of safety or risk... just as your big safe car can be a danger on the road in the wrong hands. Let's hope that's not you.

I would say the reason could be some deep seated hatred of foreigners and a need to vent... so that's also a reason. People hating foreigners is a problem in most countries.

You're as lame as they come... with all your puerile comments LOL. You claim you don't want to read my posts, but continue to read them and reply? You're fixated.

Now the popularity smear? You make a comment about "filthy falang" and think people like you? Essential Meaning of bigot disapproving : a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person

I suppose it's always a good thing if "filthy falangs" ride in their own cars. Thank you!

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Mr Statistics comes in again for another go LOL and this time with a sarcastic approach. Do you never quit? Please show me the comment where I said I was untouchable. I made it clear I am not and agreed there is higher risk on 2 wheels. The point is the risk is not set according to your statistical analysis, which you have not submitted, but constantly refer to. Putting everyone who rides a motorcycle in the same risk category is rather unscientific for a statistical analyst like you. We should check your sources. Have a read here if you have some spare time. You might learn something you don't know about statistical analysis. https://public.wsu.edu/~taflinge/evistats.html

Well, I haven't been to the airport for 7 years, but that ignorant poster who believes that there is no such thing as good Thai drivers with well maintained cars should perhaps consider living in a padded cell. It's surprising they had the courage to leave their home country. ????????????

That's only because you are very confused. The reply about the safe drivers was in response to an ignorant comment by one member that safe drivers are impossible to find for hire. I'm debating that point for reasons given in that post. That was actually used as his excuse to own a car - now that's quite funny.

You seem rather wound up yourself, judging by your last very childish response.... but of course now that you're admitting you're only here to troll (baiting or trying to wind a member up - and not even good at that), so we'll have to cut it short. Feel free to take another shot - I will not respond.

I got news for you - I have never ridden a bicycle in Thailand. You're certainly doing a good impression of the same guy as you seem to have a problem with foreigners getting in your way. Chill out next time you see one and count your lucky stars it wasn't me you were harrassing when I was a young cyclist.

The special blend of Nescafe Gold produced in Switzerland called "De Luxe" currently available for about half price at Big C Extra... and the similarly priced Italia blend, produced in Italy. I've been through quite a few 200g containers already, but wouldn't like paying the full price of over 600 baht. They are clearing their shelves of a lot of the more expensive imported brands, yet they have a 2023 expire date. Be prepared for some criticism from the coffee snobs who don't consider instant coffee to be real coffee LOL

Generally speaking, Thai people are more patient than foreigners... for dogs, old ladies, street food carts and other obstructions. Perhaps you could find a better route, but then you'd be depriving yourself of the fun of terrrorizing Farang cyclists. I know if was one of the people you terrorized, there would be a good chance that if I saw you again I'd toss a rock through your window. I used to do a lot of cycling, and nothing angered me more than impatient or rude motorists.

Wrong! What impresses ladies is CASH and a CAR. They go hand in hand. Consider the car a calling card.

Just be patient If you're on a narrow road. Frightening a cyclist can cause him to crash... not funny at all.

I don't think it has much to do with intelligence, and more to do with responsibility. Knowingly drinking then driving is a crime and reprehensible. I don't understand why it would matter to a person without a car if their place was furnished or not. All furniture suppliers have a delivery service... and how would a car owner carry a kingsize bed, dininig room table or refrigerator in their boot or back seat?

Some of my neighbours in Pattaya have cars, but don't use them much - mostly take out their scooters. Most car owners I know in Pattaya have both. The car is a status symbol to impress the ladies, and the motorcycle is for transport. Before anyone responds, be sure to understand this is in Pattaya Central area. If I lived on the Dark Side, I'd probably like to own a car, but I don't live out there because I don't want a car.

Absolutely you have blinders on. You continue to quote statistics blindly, suggesting that statistics are evidence of an individual's risk and that all things are equal. If you look at a statistical chart, you'll find what they call standard deviations. An individual's risk has many factors. Put simply, there's a big difference in the way individuals drive/ride. Suggesting my risk is determined by your statistical charts and that my risk is equal to a teenage kid riding 3 up with his buddies is absurd, if not insulting. Even insurance companies know this and take age into consideration when quoting.

2nd Road, near Soi 6? Unfortunately he's already tried to get compensation from you or the person involved.

I manage to take a full trolley on the scooter, but even if I owned a car, I don't like to get too much (fresh) food at once as I tend to waste it.

Thanks for the stats. We had discussed stats already earlier in the thread and most of us are well aware of them. Perhaps you could read up on my discussion of stats before commening as I'm done on that topic already. So what was your point then about "if you're frightened" to drive a car and "work up from a skateboard"? Was there a point to it, or were you just trolling?