Mr Meeseeks

19 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Thailand or the "Thai Government" / "Immigration"?  I like the Thai people.  Best not to confuse the two. 

 

The govt in my passport-country certainly is not civilized. 

 

When was it easier to get PR and Thai Citizenship for Farangs?

The poster claimed Thailand was not civilised.

This was a slur on the nation of Thailand IMO, and my opinion that this attitude and arrogance is exactly the reason PR applications and citizenship are far out of reach for most Westerners and rightly so, to keep his type on a short leash.

Anything else you require me to clarify? 

1 hour ago, nchuckle said:

Most civilised countries in the world do not prevent the return of a resident with a valid  visa,especially if involving separation of families ,even in these circumstances. Quarantine at the expense of the returnee is perfectly functional and acceptable to all concerned 

Australia did.

1 minute ago, ross163103 said:

I did grow up, and made the CORRECT decision--which was planned by the company I work for, to continue to go to work in order to take care of my Thai family, when I left. It's simple really but some people just can't get the concept.

Congratulations.

Now you have to live by your decision and remain out of the country until the Thais allow otherwise.

16 minutes ago, RangerP703 said:

Sure, refuse to go to work and stay here on savings for an undetermined  period of time............ good luck expecting that  job to still be there when your savings run out !!

 

IMHO  the poor decision is not going to work but each to their own.

Indeed but that is the decision that has to be made given the risks and the state of play at the time.

A difficult decision to be sure.

I know several expats that did refuse to go back to work, some even that were going to China...

None regret their decision as far as I am aware, and a couple of the guys that refused to go back to China are back there now for a 90 day hitch.

13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Thai govt should show equal consideration for non-nationals who have family here and contribute to Thai society.

If they are not tax-payers what do they contribute that demands they are in-country during a global pandemic?

Surely the wife will be spending the money in the local economy as usual so there's no need for panic up in Isaan just yet?

Again, it is the belief that having, owning, spending money, building houses and buying pick-ups gives some sort of rights... 

It entitles you to nothing.

Nothing.

32 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

So I'm married. Have a house and a pink ID card. Work here so have WP. You are telling me if I was out of the country and wanted to return to my THAI family I have no right to do so. Are you a Thai person? Are you a junta fanboy? Whatever it would seem the you lack even a modicum of empathy. As has been mentioned it doesn't matter who you are in relation to coming into to Thailand a virus does not discriminate as it seems you do.

It doesn't matter what I think, or if you have all the houses, ID cards, elite visas and other nonsense available. You are still a foreigner and have no right to do anything in Thailand.

The sooner you accept this, the sooner we can move on and be in harmony.

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Showing your true colours here. Foreigners demand everything and do nothing. Non-imigrant visas are easy to obtain. Stay here hassle free. You are either joking or completely deluded. I'm hoping it's the former.

Those expats that have PR and citizenship worked hard to put themselves through it and thoroughly deserve it. As a PR myself it really is not that difficult.

Thinking that you can just turn up and marry a Thai girl and then two years later be Thai is deluded arrogance that the expat community is unfortunately quite well known for.

33 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

My guess is that you don't have children and never have known your parents. 

 

And in most (civilised) countries on the planet people married to a local and having kids would have been naturalised. Hence allowed in and quarantine 14 days. End of discussion as far as I am concerned.

So you are saying Thailand is not civilised?

This is exactly why it is so difficult to get PR and Thai citizenship, to keep types like you at arm's length.

1 hour ago, RangerP703 said:

 

Some are forced to leave to earn a wage to put food on the table.

 

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Nobody forced these people to leave.

These foreigners that are wanting back in are not poor Cambodians or Burmese construction workers that lost everything and survive on pennies, that are desperate that they will work for less than minimum wage as virtual slaves.

These people are relatively well off, can afford or are paid to travel internationally and made the decision, during a global crisis, knowing full well the risks, to leave for what ever reason. It was a gamble that didn't pay off.

The result of poor decision making, poor planning or both, but more importantly, grow up and stand by the consequences of your actions. 

49 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

Of course they should. And there should also be a way for those with families here to obtain the citizenship without the need of being enslaved by a local company or start a business. 

There is a way, but most do not qualify because they do not reside permanently in Thailand, do not pay taxes, do not speak, read or write the language and have no interest in the culture or assimilating with the locals.

The foreign expat community wants and demands everything for doing nothing.

Be happy that non-immigrant visas are easy to obtain for those of the criteria I have outlined above and that expats can stay here with relatively little hassle.

9 minutes ago, RangerP703 said:

Not every foreigner wanting to return to be family works here though.

Indeed and why should the Thai taxpayer (including foreigners that work legally in Thailand) subsidise the poor decisions of others to leave during a global crisis?

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Then no person should cross borders, even Thais, until the Gov. thinks the cost is clear for all.

They let Thais back in the country, and they brought the virus with them...

Repatriation of Thai nationals is a right that (I believe) is protected in the Constitution and laws of Thailand.

Foreigners have no such rights enshrined anywhere in Thai law and most only remain on temporary visa extensions or permission to say, that can be cancelled on a whim by any immigration official.

49 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Understand the need to limit unnecessary travel (tourists) But foreign people live here and this should be realized by the authorities.

Actually the actual status of persons here on Non-Immigrant visas with extensions (not working or PR holders) is 'temporary visitor for purposes other than tourism'. 

As I said on the other thread, people need to read the small print and wake up to their actual status here.

On 5/21/2020 at 3:45 AM, Chelseafan said:

Free flights have nothing to do with it. Most airlines offer their personnel discounted/free perks,

 

If you look at the top-line management team, they are pretty much all ex-military. Inflexible, unable to think outside the box unimiagnative and used to following rules and procedures. They have very little experience of running a business let alone an airline and sadly this formula has been repeated time and time again.

 

What you need in any well run company is a respected management team who understand market dynamics and competition and are customer foccussed whilst also keeping a tight reign on the purse-strings.

 

They need to privatise the whole damned operation whilst keeping govermental noses out of the business. It will take years to turn it around but its the airlines best chance of success.

 

 

This.

Welcome to Thailand.

25 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The Job overseas (rotational work) is ALL about putting family first - that's why we sacrifice ourselves and work away so we can support our family.

Half your life is spent away from your family.

How long can you support yourself standing only on one leg?

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You've failed to recongise the varying situations many are in.

 

Those who work on ships, rigs, or working a rotation in other industries - some on a 4weeks on weeks off schedule etc - this work is common.

 

Its impossible to take your family with you when working in such industries.

 

Your dumbed down over simplification only serves to highlight a myopic perspective, your closing comments just highlight what a tooling troll you are.

If it was so important to be with family they wouldn't be in those jobs in the first place.

I used to do that work and I never had a family nor would I have wanted one because I knew one month I would be in the Seadrill office in Rio in Brazil and next month I would be up in Sakhalin island  with Gazprom in minus thirty without windchill. 

I have known many fifo workers, mostly rig pigs and I have known many that gave up the work for their families. 

Many wives or girlfriends, mostly those based in UK and Aus laid down the law, them or the job...

Again, we have to deal with the choices we make and sometimes you have to put family first if that is what is really important to you.

13 minutes ago, Mattd said:

I am not away from my family, I work in an office here in Thailand and have done for many years thanks!

 

But on behalf of those that did have to leave their families, perhaps read the previous posts to get the answers.

You are missing the point again and again.

Nobody had to leave.

They made the choice to leave.

2 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

what does PR give a foreigner that a non immigrant visa does not ?

The ability to sit on the board of a Thai public company.

Voting rights as a shareholder in a public Thai company etc.

11 minutes ago, Zikomat said:

Thai women love money, but they don’t love for money.

 

Bingo.

21 minutes ago, Mattd said:

Not in the slightest, do I get annoyed with people who have no thought for others, yep sure do.

 

You didn't think of your family when you chose to go back to work?

Knowing full well that you may not be able to return to them due to the ongoing crisis?