Fat is a type of crazy

I haven't gone to Koh Samet but after reading this thought I would check the Koh Chang prices. Been there lots of times. I like Kacha resort which is currently AUD 385 including breakfast for a week. If you get the right room that is is an excellent deal. Especially for December. Pay a bit more for on the beach. 

Prices for other excellent hotels such as Emerald Cove and Sea View are pretty good too. I get the feeling Koh Samet would be a bit too boring and not as nice for a longer period.

45 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

And if it wasn't done legally?  For instance, Pennsylvania’s October 2019 expansion of “no-excuse” mail-in voting “violated the state constitution’s limits on who can cast an absentee ballot."  Pennsylvania's Constitution does not provide a mechanism for the legislature to allow for expansion of absentee voting without a constitutional amendment.  The Constitution needed to be amended.  Act 77 changed the election process which can only be changed by amending the Pennsylvania’s Constitution.  Tossing of mail-in ballots would alter the outcome in PA.

 

This should help in understanding the merits of the Texas lawsuit and those other 16 states which support it.  Fair is fair.  Is it not?

 

A pandemic is not reason enough to justify an illegal act.  And you should care, at least if you're an American, that elections are conducted fairly.  I can't think of much that is more important than that the people have a true voice in electing their representative government.

I am not a lawyer so I listen to legal minds I can trust and they don't see merit in this case.  It is interesting that the law you refer to was passed over a year ago and voted through with a  majority GOP legislature. No problems from Republicans till Trump lost and had a hissy fit.

Let's say in this case there is an issue. There are always going to be some legal issues that will arise in elections in both Democrat and Republican states. The courts are not likely to find that it is fair to disenfranchise millions of voters even if there is the possibility that the republicans themselves passed a disputed law a year before the election.  

This case though appears to be focusing on looking to overturn the decision in four states citing election fraud where there is no evidence of fraud.    

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Thanks, riclag.  We're up to 16 additional states?

 

Now I'm sure a lot of folks are going to laugh this off but before anyone considers doing so I want to remind people that while some want to blow all of this off by taking the position that they're "right" there are certainly a whole lot of people that think otherwise.

 

Here's what's at issue.  If certain states flaunted their election laws, which by doing so altered their election results, and other states adhered to their election laws then the states that disregarded theirs then directly impacted all other states.

 

Think of it this way.  You have 50 entities voting per established rules.  If some entities cheat then this alters the aggregate tallies.  How, in good conscience, would you let that stand?  I can't see how anyone could justifiably argue against this.  To argue against would be to argue in favour of states' illegal election processes.  In which case you'd simply be arguing for fraud.  Anyone who wants to point out the flaws in this logic is welcome to do so.  Just make sure your logic holds water.  And I ain't gonna reply to posters who want to make silly arguments or engage in any type of ad hominem or otherwise wish to demean me.  Keep it civil, be polite and respectful and I'll treat you in kind.

 

My simple take on it is that there was a pandemic so in a few areas they made sensible legal rules that made it safer to vote. There is  no evidence of fraud or irregularities that could affect the outcome of the election. 

The bottom line is I don't care about this. This isn't going to change the election. If it gives you solace to follow this stuff that's fine. I just hope that when you read the right wing sites you also read what credible, educated legal minds are saying - and that is that there is nothing to this and it will fail. And after this fails, like all other attempts have failed, you could consider asking why and not just start spruiking the next dodgy case.

23 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I've said it before, don't count your chickens before they're hatched.  This election has not played out yet.

Let's find something we agree on.

 You would have to agree that nearly all Trumps posts about election fraud have been false. Even if there is some amazing finding to come. Which I don't believe but you do.

You would also have to acknowledge that having a rally at the height of covid is irresponsible.

You might also admit than playing golf and writing tweets all day is not an appropriate way for the president to spend his time.

Can we agree on this.

I would just say 'By the way - what's happening with the house'. If his reaction indicates he could benefit from your news you could tell him. It sounds like he won't be surprised but better he knows as, given his health, he has to plan for the future.

I hope the United States under Biden takes a tough line with China. China is playing hard ball with Australia at the moment and putting huge tariffs on, or rejecting, our wine, seafood, barley etc. All because we stood up to them and had our own opinion. They are sending vile fake tweets about what happened with Australian soldiers in Afghanistan. Bad things did happen but at least we have an honest process to deal with it. 

So far so good. Biden's National Security Advisor is saying they'll stand by Australia. The British are standing up. Other Asian countries are beginning to fight back. I hope it amounts to something and China pulls back.

Of course Trump himself is focused on himself and undermining the democratic process so the sooner he goes the better. 

1 hour ago, kingstonkid said:

 

 

I think history will decide if TRUMP was a good president.  But comparing him to OBAMA I would say that he was definitely better for the country.

 

Records were set in employment many businesses that Obama said would never return did.

People of all taxable levels got a tax break and more money

Nato countries are now or were trying to pay their way more

North Korea has been silent

ISIS was minimilized

China was put in it's place as a country ripping off people

He got rid of NAFTA and got a better deal for all 3 countries

and most importantly  he started the process of getting people out of jail that did not deserve it and getting them back into society,

 

He also received the highest percentage of black and Latino votes of any GOP before him.

 

He got the American troops out of as many places as he could

 

When the Biden plans of high taxes, high wages and high cost of functioning as well as high debt along with his6-8week country wide shut down including sports and all business hits it will be interesting to see.

 

Remember this was not a vote against TRUMPS record or infavour of Biden this was the people that supposedly hated trump .

 

The other thing that history I am sure wil ltell us is if this was a rigged election or not.

 

 

 

OK I'll reply. 

I think there are some fair points in your post. It's disappointing you had to finish with the rigged thing which is totally made up.

The tax cuts though benefitted the rich by far and is likely to have lead to much higher debt. You may argue it helped the economy but its hard to argue that he didn't inherit a pretty good economy from Obama.

The problem I see though is that you are leaving out many bad things:

his treatment of Covid and in turn the economy

his turning a blind eye or advocating for dictators, while diminishing relations with allies, and organisations such as WHO. These policies affect real lives.

his lack of any action on climate change and in fact bringing in policies bad for the environment

his actions with Ukraine leading to impeachment

not taken any action on guns

no action on health care

termination of the Iran deal

North Korea less in the news but  just as dangerous as before

locked kids in cages and general poor treatment of refugees and immigrants

started a trade war with China that may have had initial merit but the result has been poor or mixed for both countries and the government had to pay 28 billion to farmers

his disregard for democracy, stoking of hatred,  rewarding of his supporters and his constant tedious lies.

I don't think it's fair to call Biden's tax rises significant - it's just on those earning over $400,000. And yes Biden may have to take stronger action on Covid for a while but are you happy to see 2000 deaths a day that is being predicted. 1200 today. I doubt he'll do a major lockdown  but maybe in some areas it'll be necessary. I live in covid free Australia. You take action and you can get good results.

Biden will bring in more tax revenue, better health care, a decent policy on climate change, better international relations,  fairer conditions and pay for workers etc etc. Moody's say Biden's policies are better for the economy. Just having a decent guy in the White House is a good thing.

I am a fan of Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO who probably many on this site know. For two years he has been saying Trump won't leave. Guests would just laugh and go to the next topic. He almost seemed a bit obsessed sometimes. He can say I told you so now.

I've decided not to reply to comments from most Trump supporters on this site. They just make the same old comments straight from Trump or his enablers. No one is gonna change their mind so better to go for a walk than waste time.

I think Trump just wants to come across as Boss man in charge of his world. That's why he's being seen to be  playing golf as though he hasn't got a care in the world and partly why he'll sack some people like this. 

8 hours ago, connda said:

Sad that we live in a world where deceit and deception are rife across political divides. 
So many people believe that the ends justifies the means.  It does not.
Here's the bottom line regarding the current state of the presidential elections:
State legislatures and the Electoral College are the bodies that certify presidential elections <period>. 

Come January 20, 2021 we should know who the POTUS is. Until then?  If it's not official then it's just as fake at that headline you pointed out to me.  Moral relativity doesn't make a fake headline wrong and a fake proclamation of presidential election results right.  At best, the media statements are their own projections and nothing more.
So - let's wait and see.

I hope it was food for thought when it was a Trump staffer that presented that fake front page. You are correct to say that Biden isn't formally going to be president as of today but the decisions made by the press to call a winner were the same as has been done for over 150 years or more. 

At best the media statements are more than what you say - they are based on counted votes and the fact that there is little or no evidence of significant mistakes or fraud. The media made the same decision in 2016 with Trump.

The difference this year is that Trump and his cohorts are raising lots of red herrings about what might be.

By all means Trump can have his day in court but the press are correct to call the winner based on available facts.

As you know it's the trick of dictators to diminish the press and confuse voters. I hope you can consider that to a lesser degree that might be what is going on here.

No 1 on iTunes is FDT. I wonder what it stands for. Not that into rap but this is quite a toe tapper. 

2 hours ago, DoctorG said:

What are the haters going to do all day now? The daily bouts of Trump bashing will be pointless. I fear some <deleted> withdrawal symptoms for some on here.

I doubt it. Feels so good to think of Trump gone and Biden as president.