Fat is a type of crazy

Dictators are dictators. Call them King, or Dear Leader of North Korea, or President of Russia. Putin is still quiet about the result. This is a shot in the arm for democracy around the world.

3 minutes ago, greenhornfarang said:

 

Hunter was paid a lot of money from China and Ukraine just for being Biden's son.

The proof isn't there. On a happy day like this I don't want to get bogged down with this sort of thing.

The worst I see is that Hunter is a bit troubled and got a job he probably didn't deserve and maybe he made claims about availability to his father he shouldn't have. No proof of Joe Biden wrongdoing.

1 minute ago, sucit said:

You are probably one of the last people on earth who does not know Biden is bought. 

 

What happened to rationalizing and defending the plagiarism? Gave up on that one? I don't blame you. 

 

I got one for you all, I could be wrong, call me out.... 

 

Name me one president or major politician who has blatantly, word for word, plagiarized multiple speeches. Oh, you can't? Right. That is because that is behavior that simply never happens, that is off the deep end. The only way you can come back from something like that: corporate backing. Now THAT, Biden is very good at. 

You are just making stuff up. You haven't provided proof regarding being beholden to corporate interests so I'll leave it there.

In terms of the plagiarism I'll say it again.

I agree that he did it and it's not good. He made a mistake and paid the price. In 1988.

Comparing rape and plagiarism is in my mind ridiculous. To plagiarise a speech is lazy and silly but to my mind not earth shatteringly bad. I think most people would concur. 

You are picking one mistake he made and ignoring the 1000's of lies, that have much worse implications than a plagiarised speech, from Trump.

1 minute ago, BangkokReady said:

Well, we'll see if he makes it through the whole four years, if he is confirmed as winning.

 

I'm not sure how they can keep him in a basement or away from media if he is actually president.  I guess he will either find a new lease of life somehow, make it through four years of being bumbling and doddery but somehow it gets ignored, or he'll have to step down at some point due to ill health.  The right will only be able to say "I told you so", nothing will ever come of it.

 

We'll just have to wait and see.

Where is this coming from? Give him a chance. You're sounding like a sore loser.

5 minutes ago, sucit said:

There are much stronger knocks on Biden. He basically plagerized famous leaders in many of his speeches. This is sociopathic behavior. Of course, this didn't get reported by the media because he is a corporate backed candidate. 

 

I mean, our president copied speeches of other leaders. What does that say about someone who knows he is speaking to a huge audience. How could one think he could get away with that? Even if you think you will get away with it, how is it ok? 

That has been widely reported by both CNN and Fox. That was in 1988. He made mistakes. People can learn from mistakes. I think there's worse mistakes than finding inspiration from other speeches.

He's not perfect. He doesn't pretend to be.

It's interesting you focus on a lie in the last century but Trump has 1000's and 1000's and you don't discuss that in such detail.

1 hour ago, sucit said:

I am not a Trump supporter. 

 

But, answer this. If everyone is so high on Biden right now, and not just high because of their hate for Trump, why was a basically a huge underperformer in much of the primary? He was almost universally ignored, which was scary given his name recognition. But, now that he's won, he is the greatest. People are just happy because they hate Trump. Biden is in no way a strong, admirable candidate, and people know it. 

I couldn't disagree more. People like the fact that he is one of the people. He has many struggles to overcome from a stutter, to losing half of his family in a car accident, to failed bids as president. The fact that he was ignored at one point in the primaries just shows his strength in character to keep fighting.

I think people see him as a decent man who is smart enough to get the best and smartest around him to do the job.

He and Kamala's speech were unifying and refreshing and had a bit of heart and soul. Something not seen for four years.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

 

Didn't achieve control of the senate which was seen before as more likely than not.

 

 

You're probably aware that if they can win the two Georgia seats in the runoff in January they are 50 50 with Vice president with the deciding vote. So not too bad. 

35 minutes ago, sucit said:

Peoples' opinions are driven by their hate of Trump. They don't actually think about the issues at hand, they just think "I hate Trump". That is their go to for everything. What then happens is they can't see erroneous polling data could have been very influential and could have been coordinated. Newscasters say "Trump is making false statements" when they have absolutely no journalistic material that proves he is making false statements. 

I don't think that's true. Most democrats are just waiting for the votes to be counted which, based on current results, indicates Biden is a likely winner.

The Biden rallies I see has people dancing. The Trump ones have people whining.

Trump is suggesting there is illegal votes being counted. No evidence has been provided of this. They have started various legal proceedings which is their right. So far they have failed in terms of substantive outcomes.

All the news services I have seen have  put it in these terms.

Steve Bannon apparently said Christopher Wray and Anthony Fauci could be beheaded and there heads put on a pike as a warning to federal bureaucrats.

In one way it is fun to watch Trump and his supporters flail and moan and litigate and struggle to come up with new conspiracy theories as to corruption in the election.

In another way it's worrisome to see where this heads if Trump supporters take seriously the stuff he and his cronies are putting forward.

Come on Donald leave with just a tiny tiny shred of dignity if any shreds are left.

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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Biden was always ahead when I looked, so how exactly did it "look bad"?

Certainly he wasn't as far ahead as he might have expected, but that doesn't mean he was losing, IMO.

I'm sure that if he had looked like losing his team would be doing the exact same thing.

When I went to bed last night in Australia Biden was well behind in  Michigan and the consensus seemed to be that Trump was favourite. Biden was behind in Wisconsin Michigan and a long way behind in Pennsylvania. It was known that he would come back but the degree to which he would do so was not known. 

I am just saying that at that point you didn't have Democrats crying foul about Georgia or North Carolina or about the fact it takes a while to count votes. Now Trump has his team out there claiming corruption when the votes are still being counted. Hopefully it is just amusing but if it riles up his base it could get ugly.

Again I have no problem with asking for a recount but wild claims of corruption by Guiliani are just nonsense.

Guiliani now on Fox News talking in Pennsylvania about irregularities and voting fraud and national legal challenges

Corey Lewandowski … Pam Bondi.. Eric Trump..

They are all coming out of the woodwork talking about corruption

All the best people 

A bit sad

But I guess it shows they are aware that they are losing

Didn't hear Democrats doing this when it looked bad last night

1 hour ago, honcho said:

dont worry the don has got this! 4 more years of democrats sulking! som nam na!! shouldnt have lied and cheated and should have accepted the results of the last time donny beat them

Went to bed last night and it wasn't looking to good. I thought Michigan may be gone. Now it's looking pretty good as is Nevada. Arizona and Wisconsin appear to be Democrat.

Some democrats may have sulked a bit last night but they didn't cry out about corruption so here's hoping Trump and friends can be the same. Doubt it. Asking for a recount is fine but all the other corruption stuff is  just more malarkey from Trump and friends. 

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

The left attacks anyone that supports Trump as racist, stupid redneck losers and then the left wonders why people don't want to admit they support Trump. 

 

People aren't voting for Trump as much as they're voting against left. Clearly the left must understand this, as they are certainly not voting for Biden, but simply voting for the left, yes?

I think there's truth that people are not voting for Trump but against the left. I find it strange because Biden's version of left is still fairly right wing compared to many countries including Australia. Having healthcare available to people isn't that left wing in my opinion. He wasn't raising taxes much. Republicans have always been effective at raising fears about the left and it looks like it worked this time.