Fat is a type of crazy

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Counts still to finish predict another 77 for Trump and 6 for Biden.

(with 90% of those votes counted)

Counts finished give 213 to Trump and 238 for Biden.

 

Every vote uncounted would have to be for Biden ...... and even then they probably wouldn't change the result.

290 for Trump and 244 for Biden.

 

Odd most of the remaining states to be counted are for Trump ....... coincidence?

Before the election they talked a lot about the fact that different states tally votes differently e.g. Florida had counted a lot before hand whereas Pennsylvania and others start on the day. No conspiracy. 

I thought CNN did a good job. No nonsense. Basically Wolf Blitzer and the other guy talking facts about the states and the areas within states etc. 

 I think Trump voters are  wrong but if he wins we have to cop it. 

Still a fair chance for Biden - Pennsylvania looks promising in terms of votes to be counted but he's a long way behind. Georgia the same. Michigan looks tough.  Wisconsin looks promising. Arizona appears to be home.

Tough though to see how the pollsters can get it so wrong. The hidden Trump supporters is a thing.

Looks like this debate ran it's course but for what it's worth in Melbourne where I live we have zero cases for days after having 750 a day to months ago. I hate wearing masks but the steps taken here seemed to be effective. Australia and New Zealand are in such a positive position now.

When I hear people at Trump rallies saying no to wearing masks and citing freedom as a reason it can just sound almost like freedom is even above knowledge, common sense and respect for others.

Taken to the extreme you get people believing in QANON 'just because...freedom' while disparaging the likes of Dr Fauci 'just because..freedom'.

I was at work and had the New York Times site open. It had a dial as to who should win  and it was pointing to Clinton. I had a spring in my step. Then, as time went by, the dial started to turn..now it's level..now it's towards Trump. Then on the way home..Trump has won. I was ready to watch the Late Show with Stephen Colbert but couldn't. This joke wasn't funny. 

I hope this helps prepare Trump supporters for the day ahead tomorrow..

I think this shows the absolute weaknesses of Trump.

He has the  ability to point out and exaggerate perceived moral flaws in others but such a weak sense of morality in himself - no care that he is putting the lives of those who support him  at risk;

He has some street smarts but not intellectual smartness - a skill that might have made him realise how unappealing having super spreader events is to anyone with a modicum of decency or common sense. 

He has some energy and vitality but no ability to change the direction of his strategy - months ago he could  have changed direction with covid or at least stopped having ridiculous rallies.

And yet … he still could win. You hear in history about certain historical figures and you wonder how they were so popular. To see one as president, and to see he still has such devotion, is mind boggling. 

18 minutes ago, pookondee said:

 

Maybe,

but to me, an "unfounded conspiracy theory" is more or less the same thing as these people who are saying life will never be normal again...and that international travel will not open for 2 years.

 

Both sides have no way of knowing or predicting this stuff.

And why even predict and spread such ridiculous dire stuff anyway? 

whats with that?

 

There certainly is no science in saying Covid will be with us forever, if we look at the history of viruses, yet everyone is in a panic.

 

I am Aussie to. What you guys endured in Melbourne was beyond crazy..for a handfull of infected 100s of 1000s are out of work or in hardship.

 

Another conspiracy theory for you..

 

You can forget about international travel.

The Australian government are not letting anyone leave Australia until all the welfare money (jobseeker and jobkeeper) is churned back into the economy.

Ive heard it a lot lately and im starting to think there could be some truth in it.

 

Its definately not.about covid, since outgoing travellers dont infect anyone where they are leaving. how silly.

 

Obviously anyone wanting to leave Australia now would be doing it for reasons of having ties (family, business) overseas,

 

They certainly would NOT be intending to come back to Australia any time soon, making sure they catch Covid first and then go running about infecting all and sundry.

 

 

The way I look at Fauci is that no one is perfect but as an infectious disease expert he's close to it. He may have made the odd comment months ago that turned out not be 100 per cent correct but everyone is learning through this process.

Boris Johnson is no fan of lockdowns but even he sees the writing on the wall. It just seems to be necessary in some extreme circumstances. It saves a lot of lives.

I think we are lucky in Australia now.

It is odd people can't leave Australia but I think the Australian Govt just doesn't want the drama of bring people back.

3 minutes ago, pookondee said:

 

Really?

So, you want to keep hearing Fauci (more or less) saying that life will never be the same again?

 

and you still believe he hasn't got an agenda? 

 

All this when the WHO and many other professionals are now saying its time to quit the lockdowns, as they are finally realizing that the cure is worse than the disease.

 

Fauci says ridiculously negative things that he can't possibly prove, predict or have knowledge of..

Such as his comment a few months ago, that life wont be normal again for another 5 years.

 

I dont like Trump but i do like that he calls Fauci an idiot and dismisses him.

 

We need positive thinkers and people who can find ways of solving problems,

NOT guys like Fauci, who's obviously getting nice kickbacks from somewhere,

 and who's whole career in the limelight depends on the world remaining stagnant and in misery.

 

Thanks for the reply. I am tempted not to reply because, when I do reply to this type of post, I often find the comments I reply too are deleted due to factual errors and mine is too.

You can argue the merits of lockdowns. I live in Melbourne having just finished one of the longest lockdowns. Harsh. Possibly too long with major side effects. But now the future is bright. The rest of Australia and New Zealand had much shorter lockdowns with big success.

I agree that lockdowns have some bad outcomes but I also am not that cynical that I think governments would introduce them unless it was necessary as the governments would have no benefit in doing so.

As to your other accusations about Fauci  I personally think it weakens your argument when you bring in unfounded conspiracy theories to make your case.

Trump is getting more and more extreme in his messaging. He's a desperate man.

Biden is so far ahead in the latest polls that even if Trump has a late swing like last time Biden will still win. It's happening. Soon images like this from election night for Clinton four years ago will be a distant memory. I hope..

Picture from Washington Post.

Trump's hand picked guy makes a fool of himself trying to impress Trump. Not the first time. Hopefully one of the last. Come on Trump just stick with Fauci. He may not say what you always want to hear but he knows what he's talking about.

22 minutes ago, mr mr said:

that's some mighty fine conclusions you have drawn there. don't let me stop you.

 

where did i say anyone would like it. you are putting words into my mouth. i said the entertainment value for some will be glorious. i don't really like much of the politics that goes on here but please don't tell me that it is not entertaining.the gong show that is the don and america have become a laughing stock. dems thinking voting joe biden in will help that image ? good grief. 

 

ill reiterate again. i do not follow politics. left vs right is simply fodder used by rich people to keep poor suckers busy. 

 

remember to get out there and vote. 

 

 

 

 

I think  it's a bit lazy to say that voting left or right does not result in real differences.  Sure - many rich will stay rich and poor stay poor. But the difference in the policies in healthcare, taxes, minimum wages, international relations, treatment of despotic leaders, climate change outcomes etc will be starkly different and lead to real differences in people's lives.

6 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Their bodies...their choice [to attend a rally]...isn't that an official Democrat Party talking point?

He's the president. Some of his supporters are not that smart or intellectually thoughtful, some appear to have turned off their objectivity on the issue and just look to him for guidance and believe in him. They may be good hardworking people but are just not that clever. You've seen the interviews. You know about QANON.  Maybe there belief in a god hinders their critical thinking. I am just postulating on the reasons but the bottom line is that you expect so much more from the leader of the free world.

Would you do it? Would you hold an event knowing people who trust you may die or become sick due to your actions? People likely have died and more will die. Herman Cain for example.

I am talking to you directly to say don't hold Trump to a different standard to that which you would hold yourself. 

We can go over the last year but lets just look at the last day. It's almost unbelievable if you consider that the President is making fun of, or ignoring, the virus. He made fun of Laura Ingraham today for wearing a mask calling it politically correct. He says today that doctors report deaths as Covid to make money.

He holds 3 rallies that put the actual lives of his supporters and others, who get near his supporters, at risk. A thousand people die and his son says to Laura Ingraham today that deaths are down to almost nothing.

It is the actions of a cult leader. Someone who thinks he is  above the rules that relate to you or I. It's not funny Pattaya Spotter. He's got to go.

Good one. Didn't know you can't even say Deleted.

Texans can look proudly at the big beautiful wall between their state and Mexico. I still remember the day with pride when the Mexican president signed the cheque to pay for it.

Trumps healthcare plan, or Trumpcare, has helped millions of Texans get coverage.  Trump said Covid would disappear in the warmer weather and it did. 

The economy is soaring.

Promises made. Promises kept. Four more years.

I turned on Fox News this morning and it's like an alternative universe. Trump does get a lot of love at his rallies and he turns on the  enthusiasm to the Pennsylvania audience. His third for the day. He says Biden's going to take away your fracking, guns, religious freedoms, suburbs.  Biden hates god.  He does the YMCA clown dance. Crowd loves it. Then the Fox hosts back him up saying all the bad things Biden is going to do.  Coronavirus? Turned the corner. 

Meanwhile in the last three days in the United States there is 210,000 new coronavirus cases. Sad..