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I asked questions. Unlike you, I made no assertions about their motives or intent.

They're stealing SS numbers so that they can work. And they can't claim benefits. Which means that the system actually profits from their improper use.

This is a recent phenomenon. Musk shouldn't have fired so many of the highly skilled people running SSA's IT operations: "Under pressure from the secretive Musk team, Dudek has pushed out dozens of officials with years of expertise in running Social Security’s complex benefit and information technology systems." https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/03/25/social-security-phones-doge-cuts/

Are any of these fraudsters Americans?

Which is why the website has repeatedly crashed.

More argle bargle from you. In this case, the even quoted Trump's appointee to be acting Social Security commissoner, a party named Dudek, who didn't back what Trump was saying. And once again, if they weren't accurate, you think right wing news sources wouldn't be all over them? That's what's happened in the past. And tell me, if you are not getting your information about the Trump adminstration from media, where are you getting it from? Telepathy? And you're the one who made a claim about the intent of the investigators. Not me. Are they efforts at reform? How do you know this? From the media?

The only way your comment makes sense is if there is no such thing as facts. And given that you refuse to read the reports about this issue, your comments are laughable.. I did try and see what Fox News reported a about his claims about possible massive fraud. They did report his claim. In the article the reporter wrote that they reached out to the Social Security Administration for comment. I couldn't find any follow-up article. What does that tell you? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/elon-musk-says-millions-social-security-database-between-ages-100-159

But it's not millions as Trump proclaimed before Congress. And given the demonstrable ignorance of the Doge team, why should we expect them to find it or correct the problems.

Are you a mind reader? How do you know what their motives are? How do you know what their agenda is? We do know that Musk perseveres in his falsehoods about Social Security despite dispositive evidence that he's lying. Musk has history of massively lying that predates his Doge service. And why do you refuse to look up the facts of the case?

Even your promise to leave can't be trusted

It's funny. This person tries to represent himself as being reasonable but then resorts to this: Since when does "voluminous reporting" prove anything? Voluminous reporting as reported by the "fake news" media? He gives himself away by offering nothing in the way of verifiable facts from right wing media to counter these reports. What he's practicing is called willful ignorance.

You know how you can know it's true? Find me an article from fox news or even newsmax that disputes the facts of the case. That's how. You think they wouldn't jump all over this if the facts were being misrepresented? And how do you defend a President who tells congress that there are millions of cases of fraud?

And, of course, they don't just investigate someone in order to catch them. It's also done as a way to discourage others. If there was no prospect of being investigated that would certainly encourage would-be malefactors.

Clearly, you haven't read the reports. No, it isn't about money recorded as being paid to older people is actually being paid to younger people. That money isn't being paid at all. Musk and company misunderstood a ledger that had the names on it of everyone who didn't have a definite date of death and understood it to mean that they were actual recipients. You would know this if you actually cared to understand the issue. Here's a link that explains the issue: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5156451-social-security-benefits-fraud/

One thing he doesn't say is that financially speaking, it works out to be a net plus for the US Treasury.

But actually, it's the reverse that's the case. Investigator claims $20 in fraud, comes up with 1 cent. Oh, heck, I'm going to go crazy. Make it 3 cents.

The so-called evidence for massive fraud that Musk claims he's found, has been on the books for a lot longer than 3 years. You really believe that there has been a massive rise in fraud the last 3 years? Not even Musk has claimed that. The massive fraud Doge claims it has been finding has been repeatedly debunked. Even the acting commissioner of social security who was appointed by Trump, isn't backing him.

If you haven't read the voluminous reporting about why he's wrong by now, why are you even participating in this discussion? To air your lack of knowledge? As for the claim that "No one wants to stop benefits to people who deserve them." How do you know that? Mindreading much? This might sound a bit outrageous to you, but there are actually quite a few very old and infirm people receiving social security. Before they could use a phone. Now they either have to learn how use the internet or they have to personally show up at a SS office. At the same time, Doge is slashing personnel. I think a good argument could be made that there are actually some who do want to stop benefits to people who deserve them.

So you think making massively false claims is good? Lying is good? Persisting in lies even when they are exposed is good? Concealing evidence that could establish whether your claims are valid or not is good? Is transparency a good thing or a bad thing?

Of all the pathetic traps that someone has ever tried to lay for me in this form, that's about the saddest. Didn't I just recently note that finding fraud is a good thing. But making false claims about it is a bad thing.. Do you think that making massively false claims about finding fraud is a good thing? Or a bad thing? Let me put a few in another way that you might better understand via a fable. Do you think that the little boy who cried wolf didn't deserve his fate? Do you understand why people ended up not believing him?

Thanks for illustrating my point. The claim was made that Trump has overwhelming majority support of the American people. I pointed out at the actual election poll show nothing of the sort. Then a Trump supporter claimed he could have that overwhelming majority support anyway. What was the basis of that claim? As I pointed out, right-wingers distrust polls except the only one that counts: The actual election.

Thanks for the obvious attempt at deflection. The fact is Musk made massively wrong and dishonest claims about social security fraud. Not only that, Doge has actually slashed 20% of the fraud inspectors working for social security.

It's funny. Right wingers generally claim that they only polls that count are the elections. If it's polls you're referring to, they hardly show overwhelming support for Trump.

You claimed he got an overwhelming majority. Do you understand what majority means? Maybe you're not a native speaker of English? In Trump's case he didn't get a majority. He got what's called tplurality. How does this translate to him having the overwhelming support of the American people?

Finding it is okay. Telling lies that you found fraud not so much. Especially when you claim to have found massive amounts of fraud and it all evaporates. And even after the claim is disproved, a certain ignoramus appears before the Congress and repeats the claim.