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38 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:Prominent doctors and politicians share contradictory ideas on Prime Minister’s country reopening announcement yesterday
“Other countries open when they’re ready. Their screening and monitoring systems are ready and effective, there is a lot of potential for testing, most of the population has been fully vaccinated, and the pandemic situation is not severe and well-controlled. But some countries are still affected by the reopening.”
“The question to think about is what will happen to a country that would reopen while the screening is still limited, a small percentage of people have received the full dose of the vaccination, and the recent daily infections are still reaching ten thousand per day.” Thira concluded.
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“If 100,000 tourists come every day like before Covid-19, how could the public health officers and medical staff perform RT-PCR tests on all of them upon arrival when we have never been able to before?”
A very valid concern I think as they struggle to perform half that number on their own population. Even if ATK was employed, think of the queues and waiting time at the airport. It's a very difficult task to balance. Maybe COE will still be required, therefore controlling the number entering the country. I think TAT's predictions of tourist number would overwhelm any systems put in place. Even in the UK there was problems with the PCR testing system for travellers.
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I think even if they do open it'll be SHA hotels on return, sealed routes and still the 7 day restrictions on provincial travel and covid tests. I'm waiting to return but want to go straight to GF place and stay. If you say your open your open. With restrictions etc it's not really "open for tourism". They need to stop with the BS and say it how it is in my opinion.
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4 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:
UK nearly 3 times Thailand's fully vaccinated rate.
UK fully open
UK testing 1 million people per day versus Thailand"s 40,000.
Thailand 76 different provincial governors with 76 different possible responses.
Thailand no joined up thinking, no plan, no consistency, no help for it's people, nearly a year behind the vaccine curve ball, begging for vaccine donations and can't even confirm a firm reopening plan.
And UK counting reported ATK results I believe.
6763 people in hospital in UK versus 43299 in Thailand.
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2 hours ago, webfact said:
He described Thailand as being at a crossroads now with four main areas needed - the progress of the vaccine rollout, universal protection measures, testing and strict protocols in places like movie theaters and restaurants and other settings where many people would gather.
Don't think they'll ever achieve the testing bit, haven't really managed it over the past.
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12 hours ago, anchadian said:
Top Thai virologist claims herd immunity does not work with COVID-19
“Forget about herd immunity because it will not work with COVID-19.” So says Dr. Yong Poovorawan, chief of the Centre of Excellence in Clinical Virology at the Faculty of Medicine of Chulalongkorn University, in his Facebook post on Sunday.
https://www.thaipbsworld.com/top-thai-virologist-claims-herd-immunity-does-not-work-with-covid-19/
I'd go with that, same as one of the Oxford professors stated. He said herd immunity not possible, should be talking about herd protection.
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2 hours ago, Kadilo said:
You must have a very nervous disposition.
Assuming you are fully vaccinated I wouldn’t get too stressed.
All the data is already going in the right direction and the vaccinations administered so far are obviously having some effect.
Give it in another month the fully vaccinated numbers will also be a lot healthier and as posted in another thread the numbers of new infections are predicted to continually drop to around 3,000 according to the Public Health Ministry.For those who think coming with that scenario is dangerous then maybe it’s best not to come, but hopefully for the sake of the Thai people other people get a better perspective of the situation and return.
Personally been fully vaccinated if I get covid I have done all I can to prevent it affecting me badly. I'd be more worried about getting dragged off to an isolation centre or hospital if I was asymptomatic or only mild illness.
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1 hour ago, smedly said:
what ?, let me throw this in there for you
when Thailand was testing 60k a day the positivity rate was about 25%
so based on that you can work out the number of tests not the other way round, they stopped reporting test numbers a while back I wonder why
I also noticed Chonburi stopped listing the number of tests carried out now too. They used to report contact and proactive numbers.
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52 minutes ago, Kadilo said:
You’re sure or you’re joining the guessing bandwagon. ?
Well if Thailand can regularly jab 800k+ and coincidentally two days before it drops to 600k a day, in my opinion do the math. If you are so sure of all figures published can you explain how to go from 1 million plus jabs to 100k. It's my opinion that vaccination availability was set to ensure the 1million target was met.
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51 minutes ago, Kadilo said:
The overwhelming majority of the million + Thai citizens who benefitted from this day won’t give a hoot about your conspiracy theories and who scored what points.
They will have better things to do and be glad they have had some Covid protection and a step closer to getting back to normality, and getting their jobs and livelihoods back on track.
And I'm sure 300-400k of them could have been given a shot a few days earlier.
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1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:Yep, so just 108,480 yesterday according to this one, I really can't see the point of doing over a million one day only to the go all the way down to 100K+ the next, cancelling peoples appointments so they were re booked for the 24th, the chaos caused in some vaccine sites with huge queues and no social distancing.
Thailand's Vaccine Tracker (Sept. 26, 2021) Saturday saw a dip in inoculations after the Mahidol Day surge. 31,352,795 (+40,659) people have received the first dose, while 17,667,069 (+67,821) have been fully inoculated.
https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1442067236118614016
One word, grandstanding by the government. Look how good we are, we done 1 million vacs in a day. They went from 800k to next 2 days at 600k to 1 million down to 100k. All about the look instead of getting jabs into people's arms as soon as possible. If you have the vacs in stock, get them given, don't hoard them and save them up just to look good on one day. Your dealing with saving lives, not a playground boasting game.
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5 minutes ago, anchadian said:
Dr. Kiattipoom Wongrachit, the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Public Health, said that they received reports from 12 health zones (excluding Bang Sue) that at 4:30pm a record 1,062,081 people had been vaccinated. The final summary will be done at midnight #Thailand
https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1441391904529125386
Or they could of vaccinated 800k each day for the last couple of days instead of 600k and possibly avoided the scenes shown at Katang Hospital. Anutin and Co. putting their grandstanding before people's health.
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1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:
Video of the chaos in the tweet, awful scenes:
So many people turned up at Kantang Hospital in Trang today to get vaccinated that they had to call the police to help hand out queue numbers. Today is Mahidol Day and health officials planned to vaccinate one million people today to honour the Father of Modern Medicine #Thailand
https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1441369371062931456
Letting that happen is just madness. Officials who organize these vaccination centres should be ashamed of themselves. The CCSA preaching social distancing and personal responsibility and then instances like this are allowed to happen.
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You can see why reported cases are dropping. "We've found another cluster sir! Ok, lock em in and stop the tests unless they get really ill."
I think in the last week they have gone from 72 clusters in establishments to 77 clusters.
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If the rise in infections is in labour camps and fishing boat crews, as they are claiming, and not in general community,why would they worry about letting people have a wine or beer with their meal?
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And where did the first worker get infected. The island or mainland?
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4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:
Thailand: Migrants Plead For COVID Vaccines
“Lots of people started dying,” she told reporters. “Lots of my friends died. It spread very quickly and now many areas in Mae Sot are infected.”
The virus hit particularly close to home when Hnin Hnin’s friend and her fellow teacher fell ill due to COVID-19 in July. Her friend had tried to go to hospital when her condition deteriorated but was turned away - they said they did not have a bed for her. When she made attempts to call for aid to reach her house, no one came.
“She received no help from the Thai government,” Hnin Hnin said, adding that paramedics only respond to calls from Thai nationals. Hnin Hnin’s friend eventually died at home at the end of July.
https://theaseanpost.com/article/thailand-migrants-plead-covid-vaccines
Good article, sort of journalism the Thai government doesn't want released, the truth of the treatment of Asian migrant workers and refugee's.
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On 9/10/2021 at 9:02 AM, RichardColeman said:
It's a real sham really ! I have a house I can go isolate in in Pattaya if required. I can send the wife and daughter to Nan visit the parents or sister in BKK for two weeks after she stocks up all the cupboards for me to use in 2 weeks, yet I am not allowed to do it.
Sometimes it seems more money driven than health driven
Totally agree, all about the money, mainly benefitting the larger chain hotels and tourist attractions. How with all the red tape, staying in certain designated hotels, only visiting designated attractions, is it going to benefit the many street food vendors, small street side eateries, bars, independent small restaurants, etc. Money for the big boys. Ok, it will benefit the staff of those larger places but not the mass of those who earn a living from the tourism. I for one think I will return when I can stay in my girlfriends condo and spend time with her, not restricted to certain areas.
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16 minutes ago, anchadian said:
A reporter covering the Government House tested positive for #COVID19 on Tuesday, leading the PM Office to order all reporters out of the Government House immediately. The reporter is believed to have trailed both PM Gen. Prayut Chan-o-cha and Deputy Premier Gen. Prawit Wongsuwan
https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1437668968492273664
PM advisor Nattariya Taweewong said Tuesday that in the future Government House beat reporters and photographers will be required to have regular ATK tests before allowing in. It's not clear as of press time when journalists will be allowed back inside the Government House again.
This is where mass regular testing, as encouraged in the UK, with ATK comes into play in suppressing the spread of the virus. Maybe the government might change tact now it's come close to home, so to speak.
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Here we go again, math Thai officials way, 1 jab =vaccinated. No,no,no, 2jab=vaccinated. Back to lessons I'm afraid.
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1 hour ago, Kadilo said:
Ah right, how strange.
This pic was posted on another forum by a poster this evening at a popular entertainment venue in Pattaya. No spare tables available.
Apparently cocktail buses doing a good trade as well.
Eating/restaurants I believe, not bars or live music bars. Always going to be demand for restaurants, especially good value ones. Looks like one the areas in tree town with communal table area and multiple food stalls. Good value and like eating at them myself when in Thailand. Good to see they are busy.
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1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:Looking at the linked article and reading this kind of does amaze me that that many have been possibly infected. However, at the same time with many of those I know who in February and March of last year had long lasting cold like symptoms, along with a deep cough, which took over two weeks to go away, and then another month before I could return to even walking long distance at the park, it makes sense. Back then when I tried to get tested I was told I could not as I did not meet the parameters at the time. Then over the past few months having had family and friends come down sick and only be tested with the ATK tests you have to believe that this quote could be correct.
"An official with the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) has estimated that as many as 7 million people in Bangkok may have already contracted or had the COVID-19 virus. That is half the population of the Bangkok Metropolitan area which has a population of 14 million people approximately"
Tend to agree with you. I was in Thailand January and first week of February 2020, visited Chiang Mai, Bangkok, Pattaya as well as a trip to Laos. Last week of January came down with a persistent light cough and so did my girlfriend. Put it down to been in the highly polluted air of Bangkok and Chiang Mai for a few weeks. Flew back to UK where they weren't even worried about covid at beginning of February. Cough passed in a few weeks but couple of weeks later felt really lethargic, no motivation to do much, then noticed getting out of breath easily. Thought nothing of it but looking back and seeing how friends were after having covid I could quite possibly have had it then, picked up in Thailand.
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1 hour ago, anchadian said:
Thailand records 20% infection rate among those tested for COVID in past 40 days
The Thai Medical Sciences Department has reported a 20% COVID-19 infection rate among people undergoing tests in the past 40 plus days.
Of 40,007 people tested on September 4th, at 288 of the 375 authorised laboratories across the country, 8,804 tested positive, representing an infection rate of 22%.
From January 1st to September 4th, 12,575,261 people were tested and 1,026,043 were found to be infected, said the department.
So for the year 2021 so far an 8% positive rate. Going by the WHO 5% threshold for adequate testing more needed as Dander would say.
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4 hours ago, buick said:
i agree. i think testing programs are great very early on. hopefully, it is possible do to the contact tracing and try to isolate areas of infection from areas that are clear of infection. but once the virus is widespread, i don't see the necessity for mass testing. you know where the cases are when people show up to get a test because they feel sick. and such test comes up positive. i think many 'experts' have suggested monitoring hospitalizations is a better metric than cases once the virus is widespread. there may be a time when testing in thailand is helpful again, once this wave dies off and there is a need to detect where the next one takes off.
So the WHO rhetoric of 'test,test,test' , and if your getting above 3-5% positivity from test you need to test more, is totally wrong then? Idea of random/mass testing is to spot an outbreak before it gets out of hand. By the time people are turning up at hospitals the outbreak/cluster is well established as it could have been ongoing for a week or more, plenty of time for many to get infected from one case.
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47 minutes ago, anchadian said:
New normal tourism may see foreign and local tourists segregated at Pattaya tourist attractions
Figures from Phuket show an average spend of ฿57,949 for each visitor but nearly 50% of this went on certified accommodation and medical bills. The limited success of the Phuket Sandbox scheme, which is hardly likely to be bettered elsewhere in Thailand, means that the government’s prospects for achieving visitor numbers in heavy volumes in 2021 and 2022 are limited as long as the restrictive Certificate of Entry system and an increasingly disturbing top-down approach to controlling the foreign tourism industry is not lifted.
Welcome to Pattaya, oops my bad, I mean an enclave of North Korea. No fratanising with the locals and chaperone required at all times.
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COVID-19: Thailand reports 10,064 new coronavirus cases, 82 deaths
in Thailand News
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In reality probably be higher, officially will probably be lower. Just my opinion.