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11 hours ago, Kadilo said:
Excellent news.
Let’s get them tourists back for the high season.!
Good yes, but have to see the small print, certain hotels only, sealed routes on tours. Will it benefit the average small restaurant or street food sellers? Well have to wait and see.
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46 minutes ago, James105 said:
Which one did you go to then? I'm starting to think you haven't been vaccinated here (or are even in Thailand) as you continue to avoid answering this question and have zero basis for your claim. The UK used individual appointments rather than getting hundreds of people queuing in a production line so would easily explain the difference in efficiency.
From my experience in the UK you had an individual appointment time of a 10 minute window, in which time you had 10-20 people arrive with the same time, thus limiting people queuing for long periods. Both my vaccinations at a local centre took no more than 25 minutes including the 15 minute observation period, no blood pressure check needed, very short form to fill taking about 2 minutes, another short question and answer from the person giving the vaccine, very efficient.
If you look at Thailand's reported 900k a day and say centres are open 10 hours a day for example (have no idea if correct but just example) this equates to 1500 jabs a minute, 25 a second. UK managed 10 a second I think at best. When you break it down to hours, minutes and seconds you realise the enormity of what's needed to reach those figures. Without proof one can only speak an opinion as to the accuracy of figures. I for one are suspicious of the claims of 900k a day, 500-600k a day, sure, I can believe that.
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Positive, live on income from day to day, no financial back up or social help? No one looking, bin it.
Although totally devoid of social responsibility, guarantee it does happen.
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7 hours ago, anchadian said:
Details on proposed Pattaya “reopening” plan in October, other areas also proposed by Tourism Authority
Four more areas, namely Chiang Khan, Koh Kood, Koh Chang, and Koh Samet, are approved in principle to be added to the list of pilot areas under Thailand’s reopening plan within 120 days, according to the approval of the ministers at an online conference yesterday, September 1st.
Why they don't just say we will bring these measures in for long term tourists, 2+ month stayers. Stop this nonsense, either open up properly or bite the bullet and put the time, effort and funds into vaccinating the population as quick as possible. Vaccination is the key to turn this virus into a manageable disease. As shown in the Sandbox, vaccinated tourists are not the risk, unvaccinated locals are. Does anyone know of any other countries where tourists have to get all these documents, proofs of stay and CoE etc? And I mean proper tourists, not countries like Australia and New Zealand who won't allow tourists at the moment, just repatriation.
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5 hours ago, teatree said:In 1976 the swine flu vaccine was halted after people developed disease and some died....were the researchers involved anti-vaxxers?
Polio was epidemic for decades before a vaccine was created. Attempts to find a vaccine started a couple of decades before Salk finally developed his vaccine, which he began testing in 1952, and wasn't rolled out until 1955.
Compare this to covid. The vaccine was rolled out less than a year after covid was first identified, something which usually takes 5-10 years for adequate testing.
You also have to look at the funding and resources put into developing a covid vaccine. Has any other disease had such large sums of money ploughed into to developing a vaccine in such a short time and had as many multiple countries and agencies working on it at the same time. Look at the genome testing going on too, over 50% of the world's carried out in the UK. I'm sure polio never had the concentrated amount of effort and funds applied to it. Most vaccine development is slow due to getting the funding for the research which can take months to get.
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7 hours ago, tonray said:Time for us to learn to deal with it as a risk. Vaccinated people significantly less risk than those who choose not to be. Life goes on
Correct but when people are able to get vaccinated if they want. In the UK everyone who wants to get vaccinated has had the opportunity to do so, not the same case in Thailand I believe.
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Layman's talk, "Our budget for testing is running out, it's not looking good for Sandbox and Big Boss has told me it has to get better."
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The government has to open up, got to be ready for grand tourism opening. The way I see it they are unable or unwilling to support the average Thai who is suffering from business closures and pressure from the top business conglomerate owners that their billions of Baht are starting to dwindle by a few million and need to get the peasants back to earning them money. Thailand is not a poor country, just poor people within it. Why sacrifice the rich and their billions when they can sacrifice the poor.
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1 minute ago, ukrules said:The red list is all about new variants - they want to keep them out, hence the hotel quarantine.
If you have normal COVID (regular Delta) it doesn't matter as it's common over there.
Don't think it's just variants, although that is a major factor, it's also infection rates and vaccination numbers that go into the decision making as well AFAIK.
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5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:
Toddlers must also be jabbed to boost herd immunity, advises virologist
Chulalongkorn University’s virology specialist Dr Yong Poovorawan on Wednesday suggested that Covid-19 jabs be provided to children aged three and above in a bid to create herd immunity.
"Even though children may not develop severe symptoms, they should not be virus carriers," he said.
https://www.nationthailand.com/life/40005294
All this talk of herd immunity. As the professor involved in the AZ vaccine said, he believes you cannot reach herd immunity, only herd protection. You vaccinate all those vulnerable and as many of the other population as possible to reduce the severity of the infection. IMO this virus is going nowhere, as we have seen in countries with high vaccination rates. Hopefully over time it will evolve into something more benign, but untill then all we can do is protect those most at risk. If this means restrictions until vaccination levels are reached, so be it. It's down governments to organise and roll out vaccinations at a high rate and the manufacturer's to stop infighting, relenquish patents and allow worldwide production to ramp up. As usual governments have turned vaccination into a political statement. The general population are just pawns in this unfolding game and we must do what we can to protect ourselves and others who are at risk from this virus.
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6 hours ago, JonnyF said:Encouraging news.
I think a gradual easing of lockdown measures is appropriate now. Let people decide for themselves by giving them a level of autonomy and personal responsibility. That way, those who wish to get on with their lives can do so with what they consider to be the appropriate degree of caution. Those who wish to remain in lockdown for another 6-12 months are also free to do so.
I would agree but if you had a high level of vaccination in the population. Social responsibility is all well and good but unfortunately a lot of people do not have it. Once vaccination has been offered to all eligible, sure, open up and anyone unvaccinated who becomes seriously ill be it on their own head. In the meantime those who will let rip with the freedom and catch the virus may then pass it on to someone who will be badly affected. If a gradual relaxation is done, fair enough, but the government must have the conviction to let the population know that if cases start rising they will reinstate measures. Problem in Thailand is they don't know the true extent of the virus infection due to poor testing numbers and the look of the government and protection of the hi-so business activities take priority IMO.
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2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:
Thailand's got its own answers to come up with on its policy of allowing the migrant workers to infect themselves in bubble and seal work camps before demanding answers from Finland.
Thailand demands answers over berry pickers' Covid outbreaks
More than 200 Thai berry pickers in Finland have been diagnosed with Covid-19 since the beginning of this month.
Thailand has demanded an explanation from Finnish authorities regarding a series of Covid outbreaks among Thai nationals working as berry pickers in Finland this summer.
Chalk and cheese, pot calling kettle black comes to mind and hypocrisy on Thai part. Thailand thinks it's perfectly ok to lock up together a few thousand migrant workers but complains when just 200 Thai migrants get covid in work place and I'm pretty sure the living conditions in Finland would be better than the migrant worker camps I'm Thailand.
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1 hour ago, mtraveler said:
I'm not sure where you are getting this "amber group" data. I just went to the CDC website, and Thailand is in the top (worst) category for travel, the red category. Their recommendation for this category is "avoid travel to these countries". (So is the UK, by the way, just to be fair.) Can you tell me where this amber rating is from?
In the UK an amber country is listed as a country that should only be for essential travel, not a holiday. As with everything re. Covid guidance in the UK it's a bit of a murky area. You always have to cross check with FCO country list as to whether you're insurance would be valid, the main consideration I would think
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8 hours ago, Scrotobike said:
How to create a Covid factory
The vaccination system in Thailand seems very chaotic with different provinces using different systems. Surely it's not beyond the Thai health department to set up one centralised system and avoid all these situations of masses of people gathering at the same place and time. TIT
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3 hours ago, sungod said:
Just using the figures you provided, 650,000 jabs among the 200,00 (can you send me a link for that number?) is 3.25 each, reckon thats doable.
The lady who did mine was retired and came back to help the effort as has been many the case.
Exactly same as UK, they recruited thousands of volunteers, retired doctors, nurses, army medics, St John's Ambulance ,etc, as well as many others carrying out roles in administration such as organising the flow of people through the vaccination centres. It is do-able and I believe the UK hit 800k one day if my memory serves me correct.
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33 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:
from Johns Hopkins Aug. 13 COVID newsletter:
"HERD IMMUNITY IMPOSSIBLE Consensus is forming among public health experts and scientists worldwide: the highly transmissible Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 changed the COVID-19 pandemic, dashing hopes of widespread vaccination creating herd immunity that could protect people from infection and guaranteeing the novel coronavirus will become endemic.
While the vaccines are highly effective at preventing serious illness or death, they do not fully protect the vaccinated from infection. Additionally, people who had previous SARS-CoV-2 infections are not necessarily protected from infection from future variants. And because infected people can in turn infect others, whether vaccinated or not, the concept of herd or population immunity with COVID-19 “is not a possibility,” according to experts who recently spoke to the UK’s All-Party Parliamentary Group.
However, the vaccines still work, and work well, protecting those fully vaccinated from death and keeping them out of the hospital, and vaccine doses should be urgently distributed to "where they can have the greatest impact," especially to countries in need, Professor Sir Andrew John Pollard, Director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, urged."
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/COVID-19-Updates---August-13--2021.html
Thailand: only about 7% of the population fully vaccinated thus far, and many of those are with the Sinovac vaccine, which has questionable effectiveness against the Delta variant.
Exactly what one of the professor's at Oxford university who was involved in the AZ vaccine project said. Herd immunity is probably not attainable now but we can get herd protection, whereby you prevent serious illness and death from it.
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23 minutes ago, 2 is 1 said:
In Finland all infected people are in home isolation first! If you dont have symptons, after 10 days you not isolated anymore and they NOT TEST YOU OTHER TIME! You not spread virus anymore so why use test again! Only family members are isolated 14 days and tested 2 times! If you get symptoms you call ambulance which take you to hospital! Yesterday in Finland 83 covid patient in hospital and from those 19 in icu!
Similar in the UK, 10 days after testing positive or symptoms showing or once fever has gone if longer than 10 days you are deemed non infectious and are freed from quarantine period.
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1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:Similar rate of infections and deaths. Obviously not vaccinations, as I thought I'd made clear by writing that Thailand was nowhere near achieving anything like full vaccination, unlike the UK, and probably never will..
Similar infections and deaths but the country has more or less abolished all covid restrictions. The benefits of high vaccination rates. Imagine what the situation would be without the vaccinations and fully open, plus roll in the high testing rate in the UK. Remember the UK was under restrictions of some sort from more or less November 20 through to July 21, those and vaccination is what subdued the Delta variant I believe. Open up Thailand fully again, test at same rate as UK and I think you wouldn't be too joyous at the results, probably make situation at present look like a walk in the park so to speak.
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7 hours ago, Antonymous said:All the talk here about unvaccinated people being at greater risk than vaxxed of becoming seriously ill and dying after catching Covid Delta variant is not borne out by the published data here:
This very detailed and long report was published by the UK Govt agency entitled ‘Public Health England Technical Briefing 17’ on 25 June 2021.
The report revealed (see Table 4) that (among positive cases) double vaxxed people are more likely to die than unvaxxed people.
Between 1 Feb 2021 and 21 June 2021 deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid specimen date of the 117 people who DIED, 50 had received 2 doses of vax, 20 had received 1 dose and 3 were ‘unlinked. Only 44 deaths were of unvaxxed people.
Let’s put that into context:
In total, 70 out of the 27,192 vaccinated individuals in the study died, which is a 0.26% mortality rate.
Meanwhile, 44 out of the 53,822 unvaccinated people in the paper died, resulting in a 0.08% mortality.
This UK Govt published data shows that vaccinated people are more than 3 times likely to die than those who were not vaxxed.
There’s published data from other countries that show similar completely different stats than we are led to believe in the chitter chatter narrative.
Don't shoot the messenger. You can read the Govt report.
But does age and co-morbidity factor into it. In the UK a larger proportion of those vaccinated are older whilst those unvaccinated are younger as a generalisation, apart from those who choose not to be vaccinated. By reason those who are younger have more chance of a mild case than those who are older. People must remember that vaccines will not give 100% protection, but will improve your chances of a less severe outcome. Hate to say it but the data and way you put it seems straight out of an anti-vaxer text book giving the impression that if you are unvaccinated you have a greater chance of not dying from covid than if you are vaccinated.
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Mass vaccinations won't have any effect in two weeks unless they can get 30 million AZ done tomorrow. It takes two weeks minimum for vaccine to take effect and then you need two four weeks apart. Think these 'professionals' need to be hauled up under the fake news law.
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Better to spend money and time providing more food support for those in need than washing the ground, outside, exposed to UV for hours a day.
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6 hours ago, robblok said:
Problem is that we don't have an alternate earth somewhere where the Thai government did not lock down on 20 July so we could compare. I am convinced the numbers would be higher without a lockdown. I am not saying that the lockdown is carried out well. But I do know it has stopped a lot of people from having contact some people i knew still went out had parties but that is now done because of the lockdown.
Talking about larger parties here 15+ ppl. But now nobody goes out at night anymore. People stay home more. So it is limiting contact for sure.
But I'm sure people are still meeting for drinking in each others homes, just now they stay overnight because if the curfew. My GF doing so tonight, only 4-5 of them but until they make a rule to stop people going to others homes it's going to continue to happen. Can see how it spreads even with few people, 4 meeting, 1 infected, possible 4 infected. A few days later those new 3 go to other homes to see friends, infect 3 more each, so from 1 person to 13. This is what the authorities need to consider.
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6 hours ago, pkrv said:Oh look there's more of Anutin's deceptive camera angles. Bang Sue is clearly almost deserted, anything else is fake news...
Can say that the media suppression is kicking in. My girlfriend posted a personal opinion of the government's inactions on her FB, within a few hours FB had blocked it from view to her friends and public and told her to delete it or face suspension of her account. When people start having their freedom of speech eroded and even true factual reports start getting censored can only mean one thing in my mind, the road to dictatorship. As someone stated in an earlier post, if it's fact why censor it. The more you hide the situation the more complacent people will become.
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COVID-19: Thailand reports 13,988 coronavirus cases
in Thailand News
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They obviously think the pandemics over by dissolving the CCSA, or are the CCSA making too many noises behind the scenes and the PM doesn't like it?