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How about acknowledging both sides (and related parties) contributed to things being what they are?

I do not agree that these things are similar. I do not see one as the continuation of the other. IMO, that's just muddying the water.

These topic are mostly about ongoing events. Some posters feel that each and every topic requires a full rehashing of the history of the conflict - obviously with bias narratives on show and so on. Context is not unimportant, but when it serves as a constant deflection, a way to normalize actions like 7/10, or justify them - it loses it's relevance. This topic is about something rather specific. A whole lot of posters comment on anything but. Same on many other topics. Some topics are specific, some more general in nature. Time and place. Some order needed for the possibility of discussion.

Some soldiers obviously do. Does that allow for wide brush comments? If it was a policy, or really widespread, or denied - maybe you'd have a point. But it's not.

I'm pretty sure he does get it.

@Brickleberry A poster who cannot grasp the difference between kilometers and kilometers squared is not one to go on about 'moronic', unless referencing his own posts. All the more so when he speaks of himself as 'we'. Odd, that. The Metro station was already in place. These were extension works. Value of properties dropped, rent rates as well. On one of the previous topics dealing with them tunnels there was a picture of an excavator vehicle, which indeed raised question as to how it got into the Gaza Strip. You want to believe no one knew anything, that's up to you.

How do you mean 'if what you say is true'? It's what Hamas says. What you don't seem to get is that your 'opinion' about Israelis 'trying to take complete control of what used to be the Palestinians' homeland' is not an accurate description of reality. It's just your low-information 'opinion', which you treat as fact.

Hamas did not warn the civilians in the Gaza Strip. Even Hamas leadership abroad was notified only a short time ahead. This was reported, discussed and so on. Once again, you're either not aware of basic facts, or try to doubt them (based on nothing whatsoever). As for the rest of your nonsense - all of them Hamas tunnels could have saved a lot of Gazan lives. The option was not on offer, though. More waffle to cover your previous nonsense comment.

I've no idea what you're on about. But that's not unusual with your posts.

Maybe stop making up stuff about what I post? Or not post?

Maybe you're a troll who tosses wild allegations at other posters, when you can't address their words.

Really? 'At least' how? Have I ever denied the death toll being high? That innocents are being killed? Have I ever reveled in these deaths? Nope. Just another made up dig. As for the fantasy tale you linked (obviously unable or unwilling to present your own views) - pffft. It's not an alternative. It's what happens, maybe, the day after.

@Brickleberry As usual with you, chopped off the part of my post you can't or won't handle. Very 'grown up', very 'honest' of you. Just the way you roll. The rest is just your simplified nonsense. It's not even much to do with facts. You're making stuff up all over the place, and going off topic while at it.

The Israeli Prime Minister referred to soldiers. The Hamas leadership was talking about civilian deaths. That difference.

Three more articles regarding this: PM says IDF must operate in Rafah, but will let civilians evacuate first https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-says-idf-must-operate-in-rafah-but-will-let-civilians-evacuate-first/ Netanyahu said to believe Israel has 1 month to finish Rafah operation amid global ire https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-to-believe-israel-has-1-month-to-finish-rafah-operation-amid-global-ire/ These address the military necessities, the problem represented by the mass of civilians in place, the timeline constraints and international pressures. Another relatively minor point, is Sinwar being out of touch. I'm not saying it's true or not, nor guessing the reasons - but there is this: say Sinwar (or possibly others of the Hamas's Gaza leadership) are dead. What then? Who called the shots? Who deals for the hostages? Having no leadership or a fragmented one might result in severe difficulties. And then there's this, which I found more interesting that the other two: Key to toppling Hamas, Rafah now a far bigger challenge for Israel than it needed to be https://www.timesofisrael.com/key-to-toppling-hamas-rafah-now-a-far-bigger-challenge-for-israel-than-it-needed-to-be/ It details how lack of planning by the IDF (influenced by political issues) led to gaps in information, lack of plans and caused the delayed response. Also discusses previous plans from years past, which had they been reworked/adopted could have led to a different outcome than the current one.

I'm making judgements based upon your posts. You might have different views in real life. Don't know, don't care. Sure, Trump is a victim. Go for that angle if you think it works. And no, not 'a few'. As for 'sticks and stones' - care to recall how Dear Leader reacts when someone criticizes him? Even without calling him names?

Hamas warns Israeli offensive into Rafah will cause ‘tens of thousands’ of casualties; AP says 31 killed there early Sat. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-warns-israeli-offensive-into-rafah-will-cause-tens-of-thousands-of-casualties/ New heights of cynicism there. Like Hamas cares about Gazan lives. Same Hamas who's leader referred to such casualties as 'necessary sacrifices'.

@Brickleberry Very weak. Go on talk about video games, the word video appears therein as well.

@Brickleberry More misleading nonsense from you. A ceasefire is not a peace agreement. And on top of that, Arabic allows for many distinctions of what is actually meant. The terminology matters. Nowhere did Hamas accept a two state solution. Or Israel's right to exist. Or even officially recognize Israel. You're pushing Hamas talking points. As for the rest: Israel did participate in talks regarding a ceasefire, hostage exchange and so on - that's on record, why lie? Israeli Prime Ministers negotiated with PA leaders regarding a two-state solution, why lie? The occupation is a result of Palestinian rejecntionism, which you refuse to acknowledge. The illegal settlements need to go. That's about the only coherent or correct point you made. I did not suggest Israel wants peace. I pointed out Hamas is not interested in one. Takes two to tango. And you are not 'us'.

Do Nothing, Says Poster.

@Brickleberry Israel Bad, Gotcha. Not on topic. Check. Israel going out of the West Bank. Under current conditions. Any chances Hamas not leveraging this? No 7/10 like attacks on the horizon? I get it you don't want to blame Hamas for anything. You also deny a whole lot of what they did. For you, the Palestinian side doesn't need to show any responsibility for anything. Almost like you believed there's only one side involved here.

Maybe stop hijacking topics.

You people can't address topics on hand. For you lot, every topic is reason to start and rehash the whole conflict. And that, from a one-sided point of view.

@Brickleberry Hamas is not interested in peace.

I dunno.... Would you go out and butcher civilians, many of the pro-peace types? Rape their women? Kidnap their children and elderly? Or better yet, start this while knowing the response to come, and see you own people killed left and right.... Way to go.