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And....?

Hamas doesn't value the life of the Palestinian he rules (ruled?).

Who took them hostage? Who placed them among civilians?

Trying to inject, more like...

@Brickleberry You do not just 'understand' them, by identify with them. Running interference on each unflattering topic, trying to derail those that don't fit with your (and their) agenda, denying almost everything putting them in a bad way, constantly posting half-truths, outright lies, and banging on with the same one-sided narrative. There's understanding, and then there's going the extra mile. You're a couple of steps further.

It doesn't. He just slings mud at every opportunity hoping it sticks.

@Brickleberry You can keep denying rapes. You can keep running interference for Hamas. It's what you do. Zero expectations from 'people' like you. There were testimonies. There are a couple of topics dealing with evidence, with links to other sources as well. There are autopsy reports. And then there's you. A rape denier, Hamas fanboy who says otherwise. Scum is generous in your case. Levy was sort of 'ousted' from his position as the lead representative when Netanyhu's wife discovered he was also an anti-government activist prior to the 7/10 attack. Your Israel controls the media conspiracy theory is kinda funny considering you keep insisting (without proof) this or that is all over them media, when it suits.

This has nothing to do with what I posted about.

@thaibeachlovers On all previous instances in this war, civilians were not simply told to go away, but referred to specific destinations. As for you making up bogus stuff about what leaders may say - pffft.

Reading these topics, there are certainly some on here which justify Hamas's actions, normalize them, see them as 'freedom fighters'. Looking out into the world outside this forum, quite a lot of that as well. So when you say, 'no rational person' - what does that even mean in this context? Spin it as you like - Hamas is (was?) the de-facto ruler of the Gaza Strip. When it suits, people treat Hamas rule as 'inevitable', or as being a representation of the people's will. When it doesn't - they are a terrorist group that can't be expected to be accountable for its actions. Wanting to have it both ways is cool. People go on and on about 'war crimes', somehow imagining that saying 'war crimes' make them a fact. Well, 'war crimes' are something that is decided through a rather lengthy legal process, and them rules allow a whole lot of things in reality. Some of you don't seem to grasp that. As for two wrongs don't make a right - that's a laugh. A whole lot of the arguments against Israel/pro-Hamas/Palestinians here are that Israel's wrongs made Hamas's attack legit, expected, justified and so on. Again, trying to have it both ways is cool. Notice, also, that I'm not so much defending Israel's actions, as protesting the lack of balance when treating things.

More antisemitic conspiracy theories from the usual suspects.

@thaibeachlovers You're all over the place. Are there any intentions to invade Yemen? I don't think so. Any signs of such upcoming invasion? Nada. Iran opens a full campaign against shipping lanes on their coast? Are you serious? Like shoot themselves in the foot? How do you suppose they export oil? Import stuff? And why would they be interested in opening themselves to international censure and attack doing so?

@sirineou Orthodox Jews in Israel do favor right wing views, but they're not the hardcore element in right-wing politics. It's a 'wee' bit more complex than that, but not what the topic is about. Regardless, @thaibeachlovers's 'opinion' that it's a simple matter of USA pressure is obviously incorrect.

@thaibeachlovers So cost effectiveness during a war is not a thing? You seem to go on and on about it, though - quite central to your arguments regarding: 1. The situation vs. the Houthies. 2. The war in the Gaza Strip. 3. The war in Ukraine.

@thaibeachlovers Seems like the only one taking the Houthis words seriously is you.

There's trying to understand a point of view, and then there's adopting it, or considering it justified, legit. A whole lot of people on here seem to cross that line. When it suits.

I think that your comments on here speak for themself. When push comes to shove, you revert to the Israel Bad mode. The strong language, commentary and so on? That's hardly ever directed at the Palestinians, of even Hamas. The bulk, both in terms of quantity and 'quality' is saved for Israel. Don't think I ever saw you comment about 'the Palestinians are more responsible for the fighting'. As for not being consistent, we'll disagree - as said, I think you're mostly anti-Israel, sometimes much more so. That's all. And here's the rub. No one expects Hamas to act right. And by extension, not much of that with regard to the Palestinians as well - for any excuse possible. If you think Hamas is a terrorist group, then they ought to be criticized like one - not 'understood', not being labeled as 'freedom fighters', and not normalizing their agenda and actions. We will have do disagree that having a state, and an army are requisites for expectations regarding behavior of groups. Being the underdog (never mind own actions and choices playing a part in that) is no carte blanche.

You somehow seem to imagine that the Palestinians live in a fully democratic society. One which gives much room for personal views etc. This is not the case even under PA rule, never mind Hamas's. Instead of assuming things, how about getting a clue? Hamas sometimes says stuff that can be interpreted as such, but when broken down (or when looking at the source, the original statement) it often falls short. They sometimes talk about 'ceasefire', 'long term pause in hostilities', or claim that they will abide by the 'people's will'. None of that got any actual expression in their agenda/charter, none of that implies full peace, recognition of Israel, or accepting a permanent compromise. Given how they treated the opposition last time disagreements rose, accepting the 'people's will' (determined how? And by whom?) doesn't mean a whole lot. What you're on about may apply to the PA and it's supporters. But that's neither what we're talking about, nor does it address the issue of Hamas and its followers.

Hamas's agenda is about all the land. What you 'guess' got little to do with it.

@thaibeachlovers Was there a shortage of volunteers before? Also, given Hamas's losses, it will take some time to fill the ranks anyway.

It's a 'question of perspective' if you adopt the Hamas point of view. That's a choice. As pointed out, not a whole lot of countries/regimes embrace this label - most of those are either dictatorial or repressive in their own right. I think most (or at least a lot of) Western countries designate Hamas as terrorists. In my opinion, this division is significant, you may think differently. I think a whole lot of those joining want 'revenge'. Do unto them stuff. Freedom? Living under Hamas rule is not freedom, what Hamas offers in case it manages to make its Charter come true is more of the same. There is a difference between fighting, and what took place on 7/10. That was not about freedom.

Not to many on here it seems. Quite a bunch of posters who embrace a totally one-sided narrative. And then you have those that say both sides, then go on and on about Israel only. Sure, you got the mirror image of that as well, but for the most part it's an Israel Bad thing (on this forum). As for your comments, they usually fall into the both-sides-but-Israel variety, except when you lose it and drop the act - then it's Israel Bad as usual.

@Brickleberry Let me set you straight on this, There is no law against autopsies in Israel. The law provides for families the right to object/refuse one under certain circumstances. This mostly applies/utilized by observant people, but not all. If authorities insist, such in cases involving a crime, for example, they can override this. Families may appeal, of course. As for Judaism - for starters, this line of argument would apply only to observant Jews. A whole lot of those murdered and raped were not. Also, there is a general provision in Judaism which allows for pretty much any edict etc. (other than core ones, perhaps) to be breached - mostly if the circumstances are life-threatening, an emergency is involved and so on. Autopsies in cases of violent crimes often fall into that category, as the proof required to see justice done is also seen as the protection of the community from potential danger (such as rapists, murderers, terrorists). And as for you early morning everyone just out of bed nonsense bit - many of the communities attacked were centered around agriculture. If you'd know anything about that, the day begins real early. Even here in Thailand 6:30 is when people start cutting grass in the fields around, some start earlier. And, of course, a many of the rapes occurred at the site of the Nova festival. Again, if you'd know anything about anything, you'd realize this would have been the highlight - sunrise or just after. As for the 'no evidence' - even the link you provided says otherwise. So do UN bodies. So do survivors. You're out there, alone. Scum.

@Brickleberry I stand corrected, let me amend: It's just you, a few other Hamas fanboys on here, and Hamas.

@Brickleberry Unhinged.