Polar Bear

I agree that basing it on the time results are issued is ridiculous, but not more ridiculous than any of the rest of it, and Thailand is not the only country that goes by time of results issue rather than time of test taken. (I previously had a test come back unexpectedly early and had to get the certificate reissued to meet the same requirement of another country. Completely pointless, but it ticked the box, which is usually all that matters.) Personally, I would try to get the test taken within 72 hours of arrival, but people can't get the results back that quickly everywhere. (Even in the USA, it can be difficult to get a reliable 24 hr test in some states). So if that's not an option, stay within the published regulations and be prepared to argue you case if you have to.

I don't think that's correct. It says it's from when the results are issued, not when the test is taken. The results/certificate must be issued 72 hours before departure (not arrival). There is no specific time frame given for when the test should be taken. " a negative RT-PCR test result (COVID-19 not detected) issued no more than 72 hours before travelling to Thailand" https://www.tatnews.org/entry-thailand-frequently-asked-questions/ "Applicant is also required to have an RT-PCR test result that is issued within 72 hours before departure" https://consular.mfa.go.th/th/content/thailand-pass-faqs-2

With the 2 day PCR system, the Day 5 results still had to be uploaded to Mor Chana manually, even though the test was taken at the hotel or hospital on the Day 5 quarantine. You could leave once your results came through, but then you got a notification in the App around Day 7/8 and you had to click through to a website and enter the information and a picture of your results. Assuming the ATK results will be dealt with similarly, uploading them probably isn't so time critical that internet issues or the App being down for a while would matter. You can probably already find people who never uploaded the Day 5 result either because they didn't have the App or they ignored the notification, or they just couldn't be bothered. My guess is that the authorities do absolutely nothing with that information, and it just sits on an insecure database being ignored by everyone except for hackers looking to cull email addresses.

Morchana. You can start setting it up in advance, but she might not be able to scan her Thai Pass until she gets to Thailand. To scan the Thai Pass, you have to go into Settings > Profile (not the Scan QR option on the home page.)

You can upload results through Mor Chana now. (Last time round you were supposed to upload the results to Mor Chana, but the app didn't actually have the functionality.) For the Day 5 test at the moment, you go back to the hotel for the test and get your PCR certificate. Then you get a notification in Mor Chana on day 7/8, and when you click through you have to enter the results and a photo of the PCR certificate. Presumably they can adapt that to accept ATK results.

The notification came through on Day 8. Uploaded the info, went green, all good. I am so glad they are going back to the 1 Day Test & Go. Thanks all for the info.

We aren't even using the actual statistics. We are making numbers up that happen to be convenient for the calculations. ????

There is nothing, literally nothing, in any of Stubby's posts (or mine) about whether someone should get vaccinated or not. Where is all this stuff coming from?

I'm not particularly concerned about the App. I want to know if it staying Orange means someone somewhere hasn't registered his results properly. I don't want it to cause problems when he travels again in a few weeks. Day 7: Still orange. No notification to upload the results yet.

Please read the topic properly. None of the headlines Stubby gives as examples are about vaccine efficacy. For example, BOOSTER SHOTS REDUCE COVID-19 HOSPITALIZATIONS BY 50% 2% – 1% = 1% risk reduction. His question is 50% of what, and it's a fair question. And the explanation is points Vs % which is often problematic. There is so much poor reporting of the statistics, (both to make them look better and to make them look worse, depending on the agenda of the newspaper), it's no wonder people get confused. We can argue about whether that's done deliberately for dramatic effect, or whether it's just incompetent reporting. Either way, it undermines public confidence in the figures and the science when the public see data that looks contradictory because it's poorly explained.

I have the conversation about point vs % every few weeks, with experts who cannot grasp why no-one understands them and laypeople who cannot understand why the figures are so contradictory. I don't think medical stat reporting is necessarily dishonest, but there are definitely major issues at the moment with medical statisticians suddenly finding themselves having to communicate with the general public, and being largely untrained for it. It creates a lot of confusion. As a general rule, popular media coverage of all kinds of statistics is frequently manipulative if not outright dishonest.

There's a button to add additional vaccinations now. I put 4 in.

You may be right, or perhaps we are talking about different things. The first link tells you how to merge multiple JPG files into a PDF. The second link lets you convert a PDF into JPG, but each page is a separate JPG, so it splits/unmerges it again. Or maybe the descriptions on the website are wrong (though I just tried the PDF > JPG option and I could only get the JPGs as individual pages.) Sorry if I'm being thick, but I can't see how you can use these to make a 2 page PDF document into one JPG file.

One reason they do it because experts often have no idea that other people find the difference between points and percent confusing. If they are using the % symbol, it should be percent and not points. Newspapers sometimes use % when they mean points, and it's debatable as to whether it was an error or a deliberate attempt to mislead, but an expert should know better. For this, 'COVID-19 Booster Reduces Delta Variant Mortality by 90%' without knowing the actual numbers, it's impossible to say. But if the mortality rate in the unvaccinated is 1% (I made that number up), so 1/100 people infected die, or 10/1,000 then a 90% reduction would mean 0.1/100 or 1/1,000 die.

Maybe there's a different option on the site somewhere then, because that link goes to the JPG>PDF option.

Small PDF merges the JPGs into a PDF file, which doesn't work. I use https://www.filesmerge.com/merge-jpg to merge JPG+JPG to JPG And Universal Document Converter to change from PDF to JPG. (It installs as a printer driver). https://www.print-driver.com/

Did you have to upload the results yourself as well?

You are confusing percentage points with percent (%). If in November, out of 100 people 10 of them catch COVID. That's 10% that caught it. If in December, out of 100 people, 15 of them catch COVID. That's 15% that caught it. But the change from 10 to 15 is an increase of 50 percent (%) or 5 percentage points (often just called points unless the writer is deliberately trying to confuse or fudge the difference between points and percent). When the media want a small risk to look bigger, they will typically use %. The risk increases from 0.025% to 0.05%. OMG it's a 100% increase in the risk! When they want a big risk to look smaller, they will typically use points. The risk increased from 10% to 20%. That's 'only' a 10 percentage point increase. But in the first example you still have a tiny risk overall (0.05%) and in the second you have a relatively big risk (20%).

Thanks, I just rebooted again, still orange.

Was this with Sandbox or the Day 1 & Day 5 test & go? As he had to go back to the hotel for the stupid day 5 quarantine and test, I assumed the hospital would upload the results.

Mor Chana doesn't record vaccinations, only the status. He's going to have to leave/return to Thailand again in a few weeks, so I want to know if he has to try to get this fixed before then. Does the orange status mean his test & go results haven't been registered properly?

When I came back to Thailand with the one day test & go, I scanned my Thai Pass into Mor Chana , and the QR code went orange, then after my PCR test came back negative, it switched back to green. My husband just came back, scanned the Thai Pass and the QR code went orange, but it has never turned green again. He's done Day 1 & Day 5 now and both PCR tests were negative, but Mor Chana still shows him as orange/medium risk. Does it matter?

You can upload a PDF at the end, but you have to upload JPGs etc at every stage before you can get to that page, so it doesn't really help. Screenshots are fine for single page documents but it does get fiddly if you need to upload a 2 page document, as most of the boxes only accept one file upload. If you upload a second page, it overwrites the first one.

I paid for Moderna at Bumrungrad and MedPark in August last year. (This was when it wasn't clear what other options foreigners were going to have, but I've since been vaccinated with Astra Z). I've had emails off Bumrungrad twice saying they had Moderna supplies, but when I went to make a reservation, they had already run out. The system is still showing no availability for me. In the meantime, I know several people who bought Moderna through them in November/December and have already received their shots, so this is not just a supply chain issue. However, MedPark came through, and I used it as a booster. I was able to book as soon as I received the email from them saying they had supplies. (I still have one shot available at Medpark if anyone is looking for one.)

My initial application took 5 days. Then I had to change it twice, and both times they came through in 24 hours.