DrDweeb

name me ONE SENATE...ONE UPPER HOUSE THAT IS ...ANYWHERE in the world that is TRULY democratically elected ... (voting alone with paid money or party appointed nominees doesn't count). DEMOCRATICALLY I SAID..

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Australia I would posit.

Proportional representation by state, guaranteeing that no one state has more power than any other.

The election is on a different schedule than the legislature as well.

While Australia has its share of corruption, election corruption is quite rare.

The former PM Ms. Julia Gillard has been called before a Royal Commission where she will need to explain her signature appearing on documents (penned in her former job as a lawyer) directly linked to trade union corruption. In all likelihood she will be indicted and convicted, as will a large number of labour union officials.

You see, being a women in politics is not carte blanche to be incompetent and/or corrupt.

YL and soon JG will also find out.

But as I said, the upper house in Australia is about as democratically elected as it can be.

Yes there is corruption in Oz politics,you forgot to mention people from the Liberal party.

Perhaps there is corruption in the Liberal party (and I would not be in the least surprised), but you cannot escape the front page news facts, that the state and federal Labour parties are mired in slime, graft and corruption so deep and systemic at the moment, that it overshadows all other recent instances. There will be gaol terms. I do not need to name any more names.

You can fly your red flag here and in Oz, the facts are clear enough.

The post was about Senate elections and coincidentally, female PMs.

Thaksin already smashed up the house with the 3-iron yesterday...

...he's out in the driveway with a Driver right now, smashing up his cars.

Fore.

He couldnt give a flying f... about his sister or he wouldnt of set her up to fail and maybe prison.

Well, the line of a famous ballad springs to mind ..

"My father always told me that money would set me free"

Iin answer to pookiki

I cannot vote in elections so why should I fear them?

Please tell me what your verdict is on the success of the populist policies such as the rice scam, tablets fiasco, 1st car buying joke and first house buying debacle!! Do you think that such immoral and unethical policies should have a place in politics purely to garner votes and not to benefit people?

Your comment is full of drama queen hyperbole. The programs were neither immoral nor unethical. All of the programs were similar to what we have seen in other countries such as the cash for clunkers in the USA, the green car incentive programs in Canada and the USA. The rice program is fraction of the size of the wide scale agricultural subsidy programs in India, Vietnam, USA and EU.

Unfortunately, the farmers in my family circle are yet to see any payment and I think they have begun to realise that they have collectively taken a stiff one straight up their anal orifices. Whether they are astute enough to recognise the cause of their rectal pain, and collectively do something about it when the opportunity is presented to them, is another matter.

Few agricultural policies in the world have failed on such a gargantuan scale, with such corruption. Agricultural subsidy programs are intended to redistribute wealth (lose money) by helping farmers to produce and generate wealth (and food incidentally). The net social effect being deemed worth the cost. I fail to see any positive social outcome for the rice pledging scheme, nor do I perceive any similarities between it and other agricultural subsidy schemes from other countries,

Oh Dear! The farmers in your family circle are telling you that they have had no rice payments for the whole 3 years of the scheme? I wonder whose orifice is being shafted. Do they have a few sick buffs for you as well?

A) Not at all, and I did not claim so. Only for the most recent crop.

They do not own a buffalo, they have tractors.

I can line up up a whole town full of people who have not been paid. A small town I admit, but that changes nothing.

If you believe that there are not farmers, still waiting to be paid 6 months after they delivered their rice, you are a naïve, uninformed ignoramus.

So now we have the Prime Minister position that can be taken away if the incumbant fails to stop corruption. In future they will not have to prove that any corruption has taken place or name the people who have been corrupt.

Seems like there will never be a stable government in Thailand again.

I missed all the details of the announcement, but I was led to believe she was ousted not for her "failure to stop" corruption, but for being part of it, sacking someone inappropriately and appointing a relative instead - corruption in almost any civilised country, and probably in Cambodia as well.

Was I misinformed?

I believe you were missinformed.

Two cases.

1. The constitutional court has found her guilty of promoting 3 people. The head of the NSC was promoted to government advisor. (he was the one who refused to work with anybody who was "part of the Taksin regime")

The chief of police was promoted to head of the NSC and the brother inlaw of Thacksin's ex-wife was promoted to chief of police.

The constitution court ruled that she could not do this as one of the people promoted was associated with her family.

Case 2. The NACC could not prove that there had been any coruption in the rice scheme but decided that there was enough evidence to indict Yinluck for not stopping the claimed corruption. There has been no findings in this case yet. The senate will now hear the evidence and decide whether to impeach her. She cannot serve in any government until the case is heard by the senate. The NACC moved very quickly (for Thailand) in this case, now expect the Senate to move very slowly so as to leave Yinluck in limbo for as long as possible

I was not misinformed at all. I understand there were two cases. The first (your sequence) appears to be the cause of her dismissal and that of which I was aware.

The second, was what may be the start of something with rather more lasting effect ... but it was not the cause of her dismissal, which I think the previous poster was claiming.

One day the MPs and Pheua Thai supporters will tire of belonging to the Pheua Shinawat party where every important decision is made by one absent man. Yingluck survived this long as PM because she said nothing- 'hollow' as described by one PT MP, and she is pretty, if she looked like Yaowapa things would not have been so easy.

So now we have a Yingluck underling as acting PM, next maybe Pongthep, an extremel rich faithful servant of Thaksin. How dull, when will we see Pheua Thai actually produce politicians of calibre who are not servants of Thaksin?

And as for the Democrats, it's time for Apisit to go, someone down to earth but clever and experienced is needed.Someone who can both talk to vendors and farmers and yet have a global vision for Thailand.Dr Surin perhaps

.If the Democrats cannot reform and modernise then it's time for a new party to help drive Thailand forward,

Lets be clear here, even if Yingluk isn't in the next election and the next Pheu Thai PM is not a Shin, your Abhisit will still boycott, and Suthep will still try to block and the independents will still play games.

Because the problem isn't with Pheu Thai at all, it's the Democrats, the fake political front for the elites. People don't vote them into power. Why do you think they had to rig the Senate? There was no change that could be made to the Senate that would have given them an electoral win, so they removed the election part completely from half the Senate!

Why do you think they pretend it's 'reform' and refuse to say what changes they want to make? Because the change they want to make is to appoint the Cabinet, i.e. an unelected government the way they 'reformed' the Senate to be largely unelected.

Thaksin and his governments (incl. YLs) have been in power for a long time in political terms.

Thailand is seriously screwed up. about this there is little dispute. The responsibility, by definition, rests with those who had the authority and mandate, as well as the legal and moral responsibility to act in Thailands best interests. There has been a gross dereliction of duty, and the finger can, by definition, be pointed at those with whom the reigns of power rested.

Blaming everyone else constantly is a characteristic of the weak minded Red supporters here at TV, reading from the Red playbook, and weak minded is a polite way to describe some of the mindless, illogical and provably false drivel posted here.

It is largely hilarious, and allows me to pass the time while waiting for aircraft and other dead-times.

Carry on regardless,

Edited: Grammar

On the surface, a reasonable assessment. Unfortunately, the explanation only skims the surface.

The unspoken circumstances that put the case in perspective are ignored. The PM and the PTP took office in difficult times. The Democrat party and its allies were intent on doing all that they could to sabotage and bring down the government. They made it very clear they would "get" her. The government had the view that there was a real threat of being violently overthrown by the military. Considering Thailand's history, it wasn't unreasonable.

It is understandable that a man who held a key position in the government and who was responsible for components of internal security had to be someone who could be counted on. In Thailand, only family can be trusted and even then, only up to a certain point. In the jaundiced world of Thai political life, there had to be a change, particularly of a person who was not a supporter of the government. Where the government erred, was in the appointment of someone who was "family". They should have appointed someone in the interim, a non descript person who was loyal. Perhaps, the view was that there was an immediate need to have a loyalist in the position. It was a miscalculation, For a government that has meticulously planned its return to power, its strategists erred and created the basis upon which the PM could be removed. Whatever the reasons, or the motives, it was poor political judgement to appoint a "family" member to the position. Had it been someone else, the case would have floundered.

If a.n. other had been appointed ??? there wasn't a.n.other it was a shin family.

Quote " they took office in difficult times" most new governments do, that's how they get in. Once IN what did they achieve ??? 3years of squander and corrupt governing defying the courts.

No government in Thailand would be violently overthrown by the army IF they governed as per rule and as sworn in on oath to do so. They had a wonderful chance this FAMILY to come clean and govern in fine fashion BUT was not interested, initially to get Thaksin back here to rule and charges dropped ---that would have been unlawful.

No, he isn't in the Shin Familiy, he's an ex-brother in law, which is not a relative. He wasn't 'family' ever. Family is blood line relatives.

He wasn't either family or a relative at the time of the transfer either.

Like Thaksin's 's ex-wife?

There is a difference between 'unseen source' and 'unknown source', the reason I said that was to highlight how brazen the Abhisit administration was on eradicating the protesters compared to the Reds who only resorted to surprise grenade attacks and the 'black shirt' hidden soldiers. This really shows which side is more powerful even though the majority of the population voted for PTP. And although Thaksin would probably like to gain full state power, I think he is smart enough to realize that it is a suicide mission as long as the privy council has control over the military and the judiciary. Most of the talk about Thaksin wanting to create a republic is pure fear mongering from the PDRC in order to demonize him as being against the monarchy. The infrastructure bill is absolutely critical for Thailand to progress into the next stage of development. Even if borrowing 2.2 trillion at a single time was too much and outside the boundaries of the constitution, the PDRC should at the very least provide a solution on how they are going to implement the infrastructure upgrades year by year and how they are going to solve the crisis. They are doing absolutely nothing except going on a lese majeste witch hunt and calling for absolute monarchy.

The reds only resorted (only resorted!) to surprise greanade attacks and black shirt hidden soldiers! This has to be the most piss-poor excuse of the red violence I think I have read on this forum. Ludicrous red supporters just queuing up now. And as for the mealy-mouthed defence of Thaksin, it beggars belief. Re the infrastructure bill and everything else, all relegated to window-dressing for the Amnesty Bill which has been the sole focus of the past failed government. Fell on its sword. Voluntarily. Thaksin style.

You are looking at it in the wrong way, there is no right or wrong on both sides. Both are wrong and run by elites who are equally as corrupt and equally as power hungry. There is absolutely no excuse for grenade attacks and violence and I am not making any excuses for it. It is also quite disturbing that you can be so quick to discard the votes of the poor and rural populations as useless votes because you see these people as not knowing any better. The amnesty bill and rice subsidy bill were ridiculous but at least PTP had a plan to transfer the wealth from the Privy elites to the people, they did it in a way that is probably wrong and populist, but none the less at least they had the idea of supporting the poorest people. People have to wake up and realize that both sides are run by elites that plans to eventually screw the people in the end anyway. For over 30 years the poorest people in Thailand were robbed by the Privy council associated elites with the rice tax and it is about time someone started caring about the bottom 50% again. Of course I think that they should have spent the money to develop more technical schools and colleges and so on. The majority of the population voted for PTP and even though their policies may be populist, they had a strong and well thought out plan for Thailand's future infrastructure which I believe is the most important thing in this whole fiasco. More people voted for PTP and PTP deserves a chance to rule the government, call it a flaw in democracy or whatever but it is a fact. If the PDRC care so damn much about the Thai people, why don't they start with going to these rural areas and educating the people on why their administration would be a better choice and how they would implement the infrastructure bill within the bounds of the constitution. Instead they are calling for the Privy council to instigate a coup and install an un-elected council? If you truly believe PDRC is in the right then you really need to re-evaluate your views on how to fix Thailand's problems.

Thailand desperately needs a strong 3rd party, to end the clown show by both the PTP and the PDRC.

"he majority of the population voted for PTP"

This statement is provably false.

A majority of the population who voted, voted for PTP.

This is a very different thing, and misrepresenting the facts does nothing to add credibility to your post.

The figures are available and were osted previously.

About 34% of registered voters cast their vote Red in the previous election. The Reds do not have anything like a popular majority, and repetition of untruths will not alter the arithmetic.

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There is more to the story.

It's clear that the militant absolutist Suthep and his fellow cave man PDRC subscribe to the Totalitarian Theory of the Press/Media which means the state owns, controls and directs all media of the society in all of its forms.

After the militants seize state power they formally identify who throughout the media are their enemies, who are their friends. The BP and the Nation will be fine as long as they comply with the new social order. However, the broader purge of political and socio-economic opponents includes specifically the new fascist state's enemies in the MSM and in all forms of media.

Under the Totalitarian Theory of the Press/Media the Boyz in Beijing censor - prohibit, block - from the mainland PRC social websites such as Facebook, Twitter, U-Tube; also, CNN, BBC, ABC and all of the other global satellite cable programming provided here by True (certain foreigner's ghetto hotels only in the PRC carry this programming).

Website forums in the PRC are tightly controlled and censored by more than 30,000 CCP censors who work full time to find and identify websites globally that they want to censor and to censor all global sites on their ever expanding list of censored sites.

One of the first orders of the new feudalism in Thailand, such it occur, would be for the new fascist PDRC government led by Suthep to identify internet websites to shut down, to include such forums as Political Prisoners, Bangkok Pundit, Thai Intelligence News, Thailand's Political Watch and so many others who are either based here or that have sources here to reveal events, developments, the interaction of people and their fate.

Make no mistake about it. Suthep, Abhisit, the PDRC and the rest of them fully intend to take complete control of all media in Thailand and will do so regardless of the consequences to journalists and bloggers and to the people themselves.

Dissent or opposition is not acceptable or allowed, as we see in the instances of certain existing laws.

ARJUNADAWN

THIS POST Above IS DRIVEL

I can see your point through the haze of hyperbole and fantasy, but there is nothing in your post that can be intellectually concluded outside your mind. Your trying to make an analogy but your wild inferences and baseless associations actually don't connect. I don't recall any citations wherein the PDRC announced such a ludicrous motivation and since their actions which you protest seem to live in the future, it is all ad hominen attack. Perhaps your correct about the future... Perhaps we could intellectually conclude your point... you just don't achieve it with the analogies today.

However, what can be managed, evidenced, and traced in the present are the partisan actions of the subject of the OP- the "journalist." There is an inexhaustible bounty of evidence on the subject of left leaning journalists working for or through NGO funding that destabilizes and foments dissent and agitation under the guise of democratic reporting, especially those ancillary press organs and NGOs that receive funding from the Soros Tides Foundation and their malignant derivatives. Sure, they can freely do as they wish, but there is no requirement we call this objective reporting and dangerous to assign them the carte blanche of "Press."

So, while all reasoned minds agree physical harm is not only beneath us, it actually doesn't achieve much anyway, and in the battle of perceptions, can be quite harmful to your cause. But did this act really happen? Seems a little to much to ask an observer to believe this particular man is telling the truth, or hasn't an agenda. Lastly, your point overlooks one glaring condition- the press market is not impartial, certainly not international press. Know a man by his fruit. The international press sing one single, left-leaning tune, with few exceptions. So the future you protest is already here. Perhaps you don't note it because they agree with you?

Your post condenses to the following question in your third paragraph:

But did this act really happen?

You could have saved yourself time, effort and much right wing verbiage by making one short and concise post to pose your deniers question posted repeatedly throughout this thread - and you are a denier, nothing more. Your are a denier who blusters his way through your post in the same manner as the PDRC black shirts strode forward to seize their targeted journalist.

I haven't any doubt the attack was real. Nor do I have any doubt the masked goon attackers from the PDRC were able to brazenly stride their way into an enclosed and crowded setting to execute a violent act with the stated intention of abduction.

Your bombastic rhetoric exhibited below of the extremist right sector of societies in turmoil reveals the shameless nature and character of the PDRC and its men in hooded black masks who openly attack innocent voters at polling stations or journalists at their assignment venue. Some of the soldiers of the far right perform physical assaults while others are more suitable as keyboard warriors. To wit:

There is an inexhaustible bounty of evidence on the left leaning journalists working for or through NGO funding that destabilizes and foments dissent and agitation under the guise of democratic reporting, especially those ancillary press organs and NGOs that receive funding from the Soros Tides Foundation and their malignant derivatives. Know a man by his fruit. The international press sing one single, left-leaning tune, with few exceptions. So the future you protest is already here. Perhaps you don't note it because they agree with you?

I read and re-read your post to see where you said you do support "democratic reporting" but I couldn't find any such statement by you, only one passing reference to it amidst a jungle of right sector rhetoric and accusations against a broad swathe of journalists you have identified as the enemy and have decided not to like or accept. You don't discuss the particulars of this incident or of the journalist, preferring instead to condemn and denounce an entire class of journalist bogey men to whom your mind arbitrarily assigns a political persuasion you disapprove.

So my only real question to you here at TVF is: Would you care to list the right wing journals that have published your writings?

Or that have rejected them.

I think we are fast approaching this point ...

Sorry for my naivety, why was this Nick Nostitz specifically targeted?

He could not have been the ONLY foreign journalist in that location isn't it? Or for that matter in Thailand?

Because he's done a lot of first hand street reporting that PDRC supporters dislike (going back to 08 when he claimed PAD had used violent force against police etc - which was later substantiated by other sources), and he's admittedly pro-red in his views. People get touchy when you tell the truth. Even Michael Yon, for instance, realized he'd made a huge mistake when he made some honest comments about what he saw at the Thai-Japanese stadium. Many of his followers started saying they regretted giving him money and that he'd obviously been bought off etc. Realizing that, he seems to have decided not to report first hand on any confrontation. That way he could just go with what PDRC supporters told him had happened, rather than being put in the far more difficult position of having to turn a blind eye to PDRC violence or lie about what he'd seen.

Nick, to his credit, has never done this. He's reported on violence carried out by reds, but some hate him because he's had the effrontery to report that it's not just red shirts who have done bad things. Others have too. They seem to want to believe it's just the red shirts that are evil and everyone who confronts the red shirts are righteous freedom fighters carrying out a Ghandi style peaceful democratic campaign against Thaksin's rabid red dictatorship. It's a complete fairy tale, of course. But we all like our fairy tales. Anyway, these types attempt to discredit Nick at every opportunity, despite him being highly regarded by other serious journalists such as the BBC's Jonathan Head. The fact that he's honest about his biases where most are not simply gives them more ammunition, when such candidness should actually be considered in his favour.

He was also roughed up by the same bunch back in November after being singled out from the PDRC stage as a "red shirt journalist". IIRC, many on here suspected that was a fabrication, but it was later confirmed as true when pictorial and video evidence emerged.

Not wishing to put too fine a point on it, but Johnathan's Name should be Richard, and he and Mr. Snotitz are cut from the same very biased cloth.

Iin answer to pookiki

I cannot vote in elections so why should I fear them?

Please tell me what your verdict is on the success of the populist policies such as the rice scam, tablets fiasco, 1st car buying joke and first house buying debacle!! Do you think that such immoral and unethical policies should have a place in politics purely to garner votes and not to benefit people?

Refreshing to know that you don't fear elections. Your post referred to refusing to allow parties to include populist policies in their party platforms. This is clearly a restriction on freedom of speech and freedom of association. However you feel about the alleged 'populist' policies of this government is your business. Hopefully, the Thai people will have the final say at the ballot box. Any you don't have to increase the font size of your posts to make a point. By the way, an interesting analogy to what you consider 'populist' was recently considered by the US Supreme Court when it ruled on Obamacare. In deciding that the program was constitutional, the Courts Chief Justice said that it was not in the courts realm to protect the people against what some considered to be political 'mistakes' or mismanagement. Let the Thai people decide if they think the actions of the government are as unethical and immoral as you believe they are.

Having read the SCOTUS verdict, let it be said that the CJ demonstrated daring duality.

Iin answer to pookiki

I cannot vote in elections so why should I fear them?

Please tell me what your verdict is on the success of the populist policies such as the rice scam, tablets fiasco, 1st car buying joke and first house buying debacle!! Do you think that such immoral and unethical policies should have a place in politics purely to garner votes and not to benefit people?

Your comment is full of drama queen hyperbole. The programs were neither immoral nor unethical. All of the programs were similar to what we have seen in other countries such as the cash for clunkers in the USA, the green car incentive programs in Canada and the USA. The rice program is fraction of the size of the wide scale agricultural subsidy programs in India, Vietnam, USA and EU.

Unfortunately, the farmers in my family circle are yet to see any payment and I think they have begun to realise that they have collectively taken a stiff one straight up their anal orifices. Whether they are astute enough to recognise the cause of their rectal pain, and collectively do something about it when the opportunity is presented to them, is another matter.

Few agricultural policies in the world have failed on such a gargantuan scale, with such corruption. Agricultural subsidy programs are intended to redistribute wealth (lose money) by helping farmers to produce and generate wealth (and food incidentally). The net social effect being deemed worth the cost. I fail to see any positive social outcome for the rice pledging scheme, nor do I perceive any similarities between it and other agricultural subsidy schemes from other countries,

Jail for what?

Thumping the Democrats in an election?

Yingluck is far and away the cleanest, least corrupt PM this nation has ever seen.

Corruption under the tutelage of her brother.

PS are you suggesting she is cleaner than Thaksin?

Not only is she cleaner than Thaksin, it follows that she is also cleaner than all those who Thaksin is cleaner than which is every single PM in the the conga line of unelected corrupt military backed individuals that preceded him and then throw in Abhisit and the other 2006 coup fool Surayad(?).

How can she be cleaner than her criminal fugitive brother and controller? Give it a rest.

I think someone mentioned that is appears to the casual observer that she showers quite often

Impeach her? She's gone already.

She is gone, but still needs to be punished. I'm guessing she will get a fine of around 600 billion(or however much it is found that her clan have stolen from the Thai people) and with any luck a lengthy prison sentence to deter any future politician from emptying the state's coffers to enrich their family in such an arrogant and blatant manner. Fair is fair.

name me ONE SENATE...ONE UPPER HOUSE THAT IS ...ANYWHERE in the world that is TRULY democratically elected ... (voting alone with paid money or party appointed nominees doesn't count). DEMOCRATICALLY I SAID..

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Australia I would posit.

Proportional representation by state, guaranteeing that no one state has more power than any other.

The election is on a different schedule than the legislature as well.

While Australia has its share of corruption, election corruption is quite rare.

The former PM Ms. Julia Gillard has been called before a Royal Commission where she will need to explain her signature appearing on documents (penned in her former job as a lawyer) directly linked to trade union corruption. In all likelihood she will be indicted and convicted, as will a large number of labour union officials.

You see, being a women in politics is not carte blanche to be incompetent and/or corrupt.

YL and soon JG will also find out.

But as I said, the upper house in Australia is about as democratically elected as it can be.

What a sad, shameless, pathetic family of inbred mutants.

Can I assume you are referring to the farang Red Shirt apologists here on TV?

So now we have the Prime Minister position that can be taken away if the incumbant fails to stop corruption. In future they will not have to prove that any corruption has taken place or name the people who have been corrupt.

Seems like there will never be a stable government in Thailand again.

I missed all the details of the announcement, but I was led to believe she was ousted not for her "failure to stop" corruption, but for being part of it, sacking someone inappropriately and appointing a relative instead - corruption in almost any civilised country, and probably in Cambodia as well.

Was I misinformed?

the other mob will rob the country even worse and keep the population in poverty as they only care for their own pockets .the general population bettered themselves under the thaksins ,free health care saved many lives and freed them from pain by giving cheap drugs that they wouldnt have been able to afford esp HIV medication which saved many from dieing of AIDS .

the yellow elites would not have given them free health care at 30bahts

I would like to point out the AIDS stuff you mention is totally WRONG and the drugs given here are supported, initially supplied free under WHO structures by the MULTI NATIONAL (Yes THOSE bad guys) free and subsidised and permitted Thailand to make generics - giving away their patents. NOT THE PTP so get your facts straight. I KNOW as I WAS INVOLVED. The Thai govt pays what you and I pay for paracetamol for these drugs.

While we are talking about facts, still waiting on your response to a comment you made about a USA arrest warrant for Thaksin of Dubai ?

I am informed, as I can only be informed as I am not a US citizen nor a member of the jusdiciary, that The USA and other western nations have warrants out for his arrest is he lands on their sovereign soils for his role in embellishing his pockets with money donated over the Tsunami in Phuket many years ago and whilst he was PM he had immunity as well as impunity.. Ever wondered why he only attends CERTAIN counties?

He was in the US last year or the year before in New York...

Although I am no Rabid Red, and personally glad to see the back of Dear Yingie... I do believe your making this up or your have heard this while sitting on a bar stool, I was in Thailand when the Tsunami happened and don't remember any accusations of Thaksin of Dubai dipping his hand in the tsunami fund till, however I do remember the uproar about immigration making volunteers get work permits

You have a bad memory or didn't get the memo.

Reference here: http://www.udonmap.com/udonthaniforum/tsunami-cash-money-gone-t3099.html

Edit: Sorry, I couldn't be bothered chasing the original source

The quality of PT's legal teams seems to be piss poor. They have many people claiming to be "legal experts" who regularly make pronouncements to the media interpreting the law on Constitution in a self-serving manner that often makes no legal sense. Then they claim it is not fair when the judgements go against them. The B2.2trn Borrowing Bill and the voiding of the 2 Feb elections are cases in point. There is no way the court could have ruled otherwise in either of those cases.

The mentality is the same as the first Thaksin government when they could fix and intimidate their way out of legal corners and get just about anything passed. Sorry, the times have changed and the momentum is now against you. So you need cogent legal arguments to win cases now.

In this case, the main argument they are putting forward is that they would like the NACC to postpone the case indefinitely, whereas an impeachment case against a sitting PM is obviously a priority. They disadvantaged Yingluck and made her disrespect the NACC by telling her not to bother show up to the first hearing to obtain the evidence against her but the NACC was generous enough to give her the evidence anyway and extend the time for her to respond by 15 days.

Now she will have to face the consequences of her actions (or lack of them) and the incompetence of her "legal experts".

Impeachment is the removal from office by a legal process on the basis of impropriety or activity inconsistent with holding that office. Since parliament was dissolved quite some time ago, it would seem rather pointless trying to prove a case against someone with the goal to impeach them, when they no longer hold the office from which you are trying to impeach them.

what an absolute moron this woman is, she keeps doing the wrong thing and expects everyone to just let her get away with it, then she says she hasnt decided if she will attend the meeting herself, obviously she knows she is too stupid to be able to answer questions herself and needs others to do it for her. This is what happens when an uneducated moron with no experience is placed in the pm's job, she gets exactly what she deserves. Maybe now she is starting to realize this isnt just like going shopping for fun and that there are consequences for what you do or dont do.

"what an absolute moron this woman is...etc., etc."

Wow, PAD-Dem-speak to the extreme.

I love it when they come up with this stuff, but shake in their flip-flops facing her in an election.

it is also good that those spewing this vitriol sympathise with an electoral minority that is afraid of Parliament. In Parliament they are seated according to their electoral strength, and they become as irrelevant as this quote.

Warms the cockles of my heart.

Moron: A person of borderline intelligence in the former classification of mental retardation, having of an intelligence quotient of 50-69.

Puppet: Any small model of a person or animal able to be moved by strings or rods, or in the form of a glove

I would suggest the latter (metaphotrically speaking) rather than the former is the most likely best fit description. The PM might well be the first, but she is certainly the second and as such, this makes her indistinguishable from the first.

This has to be one of the most relevant posts regarding the current situation but the blind hatred by so many Farangs over a Thai Political issue is staggering..

Its not staggering that westerners can spot corruption, theft and low life peddlers of dictatorial rule on all sides. But when it is on the scale that these Shinawatra and Phea Thai soi dogs are applying it and with immunity above the law cause oh let me see the only requirement for democracy is to win an election then the hatred is very understandable for low life scum.

Not a very wise post Roadman, corruption is corruption, the amount people siphon off just reflects how successful they are or not!!

Besides in a country where financial compensation has been accepted as a get out of jail card, and is in many cases available through the courts....who exactly is going to push to implement the changes required to bring the full force of the law on those that can afford to stay above the law?

Shins go.... corruption sorted........what a truly bizarre concept

Shins go .. Shin corruption sorted ... on to the next bastard until we run out of them (a long time I admit)

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The day the red terrorists try to replicate their 2010 actions in Bangkok will be a turning point for the country ,It will determine if the security forces can and will clamp down ,with force,immediately.If they dont because of their red political masters,its over for Thailand economic development and foreign presence


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The Army will this time around and they will do it correctly and swiftly at the leaders at the start of UDD/Red violence ...hence the rightful and correct warning to Jatuporn from Khun General Prayuth that he is not going to take any of his terrorism activity this time around. And good job too.

I read Jutaporn's comment as a thinly veiled threat to the Gen.

Perhaps the translation was poor, as getting on the very wrong side of a man who controls the allegience of the best snipers in the country is probably not conducive to a long life.

All violence must be condemned.

From this common point we can look back at events leading up to this and some common things.

Firstly, children should not be anywhere near to political protests, and protest leaders should discourange parents taking children to politicial protests. Sadly protest leaders see children and old people and monks as their "human shields" and so do not discourage irresponsible parents from taking children. They then milk the media should a child get hurt or worst still killed.

Secondly, it is disgraceful for Suthep and the PDRC to be mocking the police and government claiming they have popcorn warriers defending them who will kill and shoot police. This outrageous behaviour will stop many police from being too close to and therefore protecting protestors and protests. This outrageous behaviour will incite violence from a core element of Thai society that is violent. We all know that some police are linked with criminals, as are the Army as are the Elite of Bangkok as are politicians of all parties (just like the PDRC have thier popcorn warriers). They all have the power to put their criminal friends into gear to go out and shoot and kill for them - the outrageous mocking and batiing by Suthep has perhaps (and maybe not) led to this attack. Everyone should hang their heads in shame, the person who should do so the most is Suthep, his speeches of the last days have led to this.

Thirdly, its is disgraceful to read people accuse red shirts of doing this. Without a single shred of evidence they feel they can justify their own hate by blaiming the people they hate for doing something like this. Many people have been wronged by the PDRC and their protests. The police, the government, many business owners, many companies, many powerful politicians, many individuals, many voters or would be voters expressing their desire for democracy - there is a very long list of millions of people who feel they have been wronged by the PDRC's antics.

Fourthly there is always the potential for people who want military intervention to do false flag attacks to support this.

Nobody knows the truth as it stands and nobody knows who is to blame, but everyone has to condemn violence and condemn those who openly speak of supporting violence or having armed people in thier midst ready to shoot and kill.

In my opinion all of that, of course.

Firstly: Go have a look at the place where this happened. It was in the middle of a village with many roadside stalls where people normally go and have a noodle soup. How do you know that this mother actually attended the rally and did not just happen to be there? (Nobody knows the truth.... blablabla, but ready to blame.)

Secondly: Mocking the police? Give me a break! What police? They haven't done anything in this whole demonstration season except mock themselves.

Thirdly : Trat people have a long history of being Democrats and voting for the Dems. They have come "en masse" to Bangkok to protest against the Shinawatra government. Nobody in Trat has been wronged by Suthep.

Fourthly: It takes quite a sick mind to blame the protesters for this attack. Don't the Red Shirts have a history of brutal violence all around the country? (Remember 2010!) As they say in USA: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, chances are it IS a duck.

Firstly, my original post said ANYWHERE NEAR......

if the PDRC set up a protest site near me, I would go away, I would avoid it. I certainly would not allow my kids to be anywhere near it.

It is said the PDRC guards (maybe some popcorn warriers) were eating noodles at the shop, which is why it was targetted. Would you allow your children to be near to PDRC guards ?

Secondly, the police are doing their job with the constraints they have. They have been told by the Army repeatedly to not use force, not use tear gas. They have the courts holding their hands behind their backs. What do you expect the police to do when they are not allowed to be police by the other forces that control Thailand ?

Thirdly, not everyone in Trat supports the PDRC or Democrats. Why was their only 500 people at the protest and not tens of thousands. Tens of millions of people have been wronged by the PDRC in some way, shape or form.

Fourthly, the cycle of violence was started in 2008 by the PAD/Yellow shirts. They used violence as a means back then, which has started this cycle of violence and protests.

All in my opinion of course.

what you are saying is totally pathetic. My 14 y/o daughter was raped and murdered in Sydney while taking the train to visit her grandparents. Until you have had your life destroyed by a pathetic self indugent action like this you have no idea at all how it feels to lose a child but going by your rants it was my fault because I let her catch a train. You are scraping the bottom of the barrel with this crap, blaming the parents when it is your "mates" doing the killing is as low as you can get, making up excuses to try to remove the foot you have stuck in your mouth even more so.

seajae, I am deeply sorry for your loss. No words are possible to express this.

Your experience is my worst nightmare, as it is for every parent.

The apologists for the actions of the terrorists involved in this despicable act are deserving of nothing less than our total contempt. They are an appalling stain on humanity, exposed for all to see.

Trat?!?!

I thought all the anti-government protesters were rich elite in Bangkok or radical Deep Southerners according to several TV experts.

Sad to say!

When they stray out of their stronghold of Bangkok, and attempt to recreate in other parts of the country the havoc they created in Bangkok under the protection of the Rich E.E allies, they will be met with resistance,

Cheers

You sound quite pleased this happened to the PDRC. You and your likes have some maladjusted thinking if you really believe this kind of violence is ok.

Just because they attacked someone who thinks and feels differently about politics doesnt make it ok to hurt them. Next you will be thinking its ok to kill someone if they dont follow the REDS.

If it is your way or no way then you are the beginnings of a Hitler regime.

My suggestion to kikoman and jollyman and other who feel this way is to seek emergency psycholigical medical treatment

Im sure the doctors can find a cure for RED BLINDNESS.

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Hey hey easy there brutus ...

If you organise a protest that holds a city hostage to the dictatorial opinion of a tiny minority, strong arm and intimidate people just doing their jobs into closing their businesses, causing the financial ruin of hundreds of tourism businesses, stop people from exercising their RIGHT to vote, chasing away investors, threatening people with violence (poptart mercenaries ... yes they are mercenaries) and showing off about it, then you are going to make a lot of people angry and provoke an equally violent response .... and if you hang around people who do this, then you MUST expect exactly this kind of thing to happen ... its not a good thing at all, but you must expect it.

I say, if you kick a dog often enough then you have no right to complain when it bites you.

I regret terribly that children have been hurt, but in all honesty what kind of parent takes a child into such a potentially violent situation? If Suthep really cared he'd send them home, but the coward wants his human shields.

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Last time I looked Bangkok was not being held hostage; that is a gross misrepresentation of reality.

On the other hand, I was here when weapons toting Reds were burning Bangkok at the behest of Jutaporn and his band of thieves. No comparison really.

TV, while never the home of the gifted debater, has descended of late into a pathetic mouthpiece for red trolls. This particular thread contains some of the most vile I have read in recent times. I am appalled to be an expat living in Thailand, knowing that there are people like some of the regular red apologists and red astroturfing "noobs" who carry such warped and distorted views and with whom I might actually share citizenship.

I was recently warned for calling someone a clueless *****, I thought it a particularly restrained and technically accurate comment given the rabid and uninformed views held by so many red apologists here.

I think I shall retire from reading the mindless drivel here for a while and go do charity work up country, where no-one has been paid for the October crop and they are all basically starving or in the clutches of the loan sharks. It is all to pathetic to contemplate, and the blame can be fairly and objectively placed in exactly one place. Not that doing so will help anything.

A pox on the red apologists here who are more deserving of my ire and contempt than any group I care to name at this moment.

Trat?!?!

I thought all the anti-government protesters were rich elite in Bangkok or radical Deep Southerners according to several TV experts.

Sad to say!

When they stray out of their stronghold of Bangkok, and attempt to recreate in other parts of the country the havoc they created in Bangkok under the protection of the Rich E.E allies, they will be met with resistance,

Cheers

As weird as this post is, kikoman has a point. While the reds will accept anti-government demonstrations in the capital, they turn to violence when people in the provinces turn against them. This is a behavior they have shown earlier, although not as strongly as in this case. If the impression of massive support from the provinces vane, the whole concept of broad support for Thaksin will disappear. The cadres have to be kept in line, or else they must die. The great masters Pol Pot and Mao Zedong have shown how to do this. The reds of Thailand are just following their example.

Yes, sadly, and to everyone's detriment

suthep's people are carrying all types of firearms, maybe they are doing all this just to get people to believe it is the other side doing it. Remember this is Thailand and suthep did oreder the killing of 90 people three years ago.

F* we get tired of reading this