MrMojoRisin

1 minute ago, transam said:

More Mojo guesswork.........😂

Oh no, it's more MISTER Mojo reading Israeli press.

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Lovely piece on the subject of carpet bombing from the Jerusalem Post

https://www.jpost.com/israel/eliyahu-advocates-carpet-bombing-gaza

Lovely indeed.

Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza, says there is no moral prohibition against killing civilians to save Jews.

Lovely words form the former Chief Rabbi?

Any of those consistently calling on others to denounce Hamas wish to take the opportunity to denounce this garbage?

The floor is yours....

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Isreal also  got their land in pre internet days , 1948

What were the borders in 1948?

Death toll passes 8000: Palestinian Ministry of Health

The Palestinian Ministry of Health in Ramallah has now confirmed the number of people killed during Israeli strikes on Gaza since October 7 has risen past 8,000.

73 per cent of those killed are from vulnerable populations, including children, women and elderly people.

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israelhamas-conflict-angry-mob-storms-major-airport-hunting-for-jews/news-story/771ede76128f055ae040482a4833849b

4 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

I have no more skin in this game than I did for the horrors of Rwanda back in the 1990s. Horror is horror, evil is evil, and people are people, no innocents better or worse than any other innocents. All of the deaths are sad.

 

A bigger picture worry I have is that Iran will either get too actively involved, or else Netanyahu will unilaterally decide to attack Iran. Undoubtedly that would please short term thinking right wingers in the US, as well as the Gulf States.

 

Obama and his team had true vision. The JCPOA was merely an initial step, and a time-buying step, to bring Iran into the community of nations. It absolutely stopped nuke development, although an Israeli disinformation operation sowed doubts in that ("finding" documents from ~2001 that indicated Iran's nuclear goals). The JCPOA was effective, but trump---the consummate bad dealmaker---decided he had to undue everything Obama did.

 

The longer term outlook of the JCPOA was to buy time until the aging mullahs died. Iran is ripe for change. It's young want to be let loose to modernize the country and live lives similar to what people in developed countries live. The trend in Iran is toward a middle ground between the abuses of the Shah and the fanaticism of the mullahs. Iran has everything it needs to become an economic powerhouse, and if calmed and left alone, will become that after the mullahs die.

 

That scares the Gulf States, because most have organically done absolutely nothing with their vast oil and gas wealth. They have remained feudal and mostly backward, few outside of the royal elite have any chance to prosper, and the royals can pillage their own coffers for their own benefit as they wish. To have a neighbor become a non-resource player would embarrass them. Worse is that the player would be Shi'ite, not Sunni.

 

Since Biden was VP under Obama, I hope this long term belief still exists in this Administration, and that the US is quietly discouraging Netanyahu from setting things back another few generations, as well as warning Iran.

The end of this war will not be something that Netanyahu is looking forward to.

Dragging Iran in certainly benefits him, as it delays that day.

Bibi's day of reckoning is coming, not from Palestinians or Arabs or Muslims, but from his own enraged Israeli citizenry.

If he survives, he will be exiled to Florida.

Maybe, just maybe Israel will give the left of centre parties a chance to find a peaceful resolution..., or will it be Yitzak Rabin redux.

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Nope, Hamas are terrorist who have committed war crimes .

Hamas supporters just accuse Israel of committing war crimes as a defence of their own atrocities and an attempt to normalise  their terrorist activities 

   250 people murdered at a outdoor party  is killing innocent civilians by Hamas  

IDF Bombing buildings where those murderers operate from is legitimate targets of war 

 

Technically, both sides are innocent until proven guilty.

Realistically, both sides are guilty as sin.

Until impartial investigations are complete, it is meaningless to debate as many are to set in stone to accept evidence that contradicts their own opinions.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-crimes-icc-1a42212b95a7f6ce54909fb22e0d681d

5 minutes ago, proton said:

Says our resident Hamas and Islamist apologist!

If I am apologising for Hamas and Islam, am I not then also apologising for Israel and Judaism given in every post I equate Hamas and the IDF (e.g. Hamsa = IDF)?

Logic has to be applied consistently or it ceases to be logical.

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Earlier, you rejected a comment I made about Hamas attack getting less backlash had the atrocities been left out of it.

I don't recall, on which page?

5 minutes ago, Morch said:

As for 'limited impact', how would you know? All in good time.

Because Israel are risking a ground invasion.

Had the carpet bombing proved effective - no ground invasion required.

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The war crimes by Hamas were not alleged, they have been proven 

Hamas are currently participating in war crimes , nothing alleged about them 

Why is it so hard for you to simply admit reality?

BOTH Hamas and the IDF are war criminals.

BOTH Hamas and the IDF murder civilians.

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Non stop whataboutism .

Seems like every post is "What about something else" 

Yes.

There are two sides to this.

Two eerily similar sides when it comes to atrocities and crimes against humanity.

Consistently apply the same standards to both sides and the "whataboutism" disappears.

5 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Islamaphobia is a made up word by Islamists to demonize any criticism of Islam, they have done thier best to get criticism classed as racism as well, but as all races have some muslins that would not wash. Without lies Islam dies, it cannot withstand rational debate on it, including a critical look at their scriptures and dreadful life of the prophet, so try to shut it down.

And you don't see the parallels with antisemitism?

🤷‍♂️

(I do believe I may very well wear out the shrug emoji on this thread)

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Do you have anything to back up the bit above in bold or did you just (as is typical of the bits you post) make it up? 

No evidence whatsoever of Israel doing anything other than baking cookies and giving flowers to Palestinains. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. Any link to information that says otherwise is untrustworthy. I for one am astounded at the Palestinians lack of gratitude towards their loving overlords.

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They would die anyway, everyone does eventually 

Can't argue against such devastating intellectual brilliance.

I'll give you an emoji.

Well done.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

I don't deal in hypothetical scenarios cleverly worded to establish anti semitic propaganda.

 

At least you agree that stone boy deserved his bullet.

I certainly don't agree stone throwing boys should be met with lethal force.

You said:

homicidal genocidal misogynistic fanatic terrorist was getting ready to deploy a weapon at me

10 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

But Mojo said....

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1308598-israel-is-at-war/page/192/#comment-18460645

 

Surely it was not his intention to mislead? Perhaps a mistake or misunderstanding?

 

 

No.

It was an additional quote.

And there is another after it.

There is an unlimited supply of sources denouncing Douglas Murray.

You don't seem to like the Muslim Council of Britain so I gave you The Conservative Party of Britain.

Just now, Yagoda said:

Well personally, if some homicidal genocidal misogynistic fanatic terrorist was getting ready to deploy a weapon at me, Id put one in his center of mass.

 

I leave the Kumbayas to you. 

Nobody would have an issue with you doing exactly as you state.

Would you kill 3,000 kids, to at best, have a very limited impact on the bad guys?

26 minutes ago, proton said:

Who said this and where is the evidence of Douglas hating muslims? Fear of islam is not a phobia but entirely rational. Opposition to Islam does not mean hatred toward muslims:

 

So profound is Murray’s Islamophobia that a former colleague of his has described him as a “thoroughly nasty piece of work full of venom and hatred for Muslims”, 

How can you guys be so selectively blind.

How do you see this:

Opposition to Islam does not mean hatred toward Muslims.

But not this:

Opposition to Israel does not mean antisemitism.

How does one arrive at such an illogical and contradictory position?

It is truly bewildering.

9 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Copied and pasted from somewhere in italic font, because you don’t have anything to say yourself ….. am I surprised ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I always add the italics to clearly separate my words from those copy and pasted.

And your view on the copy and pasted content?

22 minutes ago, rabas said:

Good, we have taken the first small step towards a real discussion.

 

Now, what are those Iranian goals for which they support Hamas?

No one has disputed that Iran supports Hamas financially, materially and politically (just as Netanyahu does/did).

We haven't taken the first small step, you have caught up.

56 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Douglas Murray is a well respected intellectual, and this particular book has received worldwide acclaim and excellent reviews; one small example is an unusually high score of 4.7 out of 5 on Amazon, from over 6,000 customer reviews.

 

I haven’t looked at the review you posted, because unlike yourself I have read the book and formed my own opinion; I assume this is a bad review, so you must have deliberately searched for a bad review of the book, rather than an objective one.

 

This is no surprise and it neatly summarises the process that you use when responding; contradiction, cheap cliches, derision, sensationalism, and loaded questions are your tools of choice rather than an intellectual engagement, and you wonder why nobody on this forum takes you seriously.   

 

To each their own:

Murray has also been accused of being xenophobic, chauvinist and racist. His fans have described him as a defender of free speech. Murray has been accused of putting a socially acceptable face on what would otherwise be considered fringe ideologies.

This sort of stuff is not for me:

Douglas Murray’s objectively racist, extremely Islamophobic assertions are a matter of public record. He has said: “conditions for Muslims in Europe must be made harder across the board”, called Islam an “opportunist infection”, Muslims a “demographic time bomb” & that mosques should be “pulled down,” as documented in his notorious ‘What are we to do about Islam?’ speech. 

So profound is Murray’s Islamophobia that a former colleague of his has described him as a “thoroughly nasty piece of work full of venom and hatred for Muslims”, as someone who has a “perverse & deranged obsession with all things Islam related.”

I wonder if one were to substitute Jew for Muslim in Murray's works if you would still find the man agreeable.

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, we agree, thanks. 

What with the photo? 

 

It's evidence of indiscriminate Israeli carpet bombing of civilians.

21 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You have no idea what carpet bombing actually means.

It does not imply a situation where only 5% of the buildings in Gaza were demolished.

This was discussed extensively on this topic and parallel ones.

If you'd only apply that desire for 'learning' you go on about, maybe you wouldn't be confused as you obviously are.

As far as I am concerned, all bombing of residential areas is carpet bombing.

"Precision bombing" is the mother of all oxymorons.

There is no such thing.

There are 3,000 dead children irrefutably proving this to be true.

4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Your not getting the message are you MoJo no 1 is replying to you because your not wanted anymore on this thread. If i were you id start a thread for you and your buddies. This thread is about Israel being at war if you want to talk about dead babys start another thread we have moved on now to the ground offensive. 

I wish you would stop replying to me.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Why should Palestine/hamas not take the moral high ground, stop killing children, release the hostages, and initiate a ceasefire? 

 

Have they not killed enough Jews yet to satisfy you? 

They should, but it's not something terrorists are known for doing.

It is Israel constantly claiming the moral high ground, why aren't their actions matching their words?

They've killed far too many Jews and created a pretext for many, many more Palestinians to be killed by Israel.

Have Israel killed too many kids yet?

Should they stop the indiscriminate bombing?

9 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

At least one of your 'buddies' came out with blatantly antisemitic comments. Another borderline, but not fooling anyone. Considering not too many people participate, that would make a significant chunk of your 'side's posters.

The commentary about Palestinians on this thread is a thousandfold worse than anything said about Israeli's or Jews.

The playing field is far from level when it comes to what is deemed acceptable when discussing either side of this conflict.

One person has, in your opinion, made an antisemitic comment and you then leap to the conclusion that all those opposed to you are antisemites who support Hamas.

I'm getting flashbacks of the 1930's and 40's.