MrMojoRisin

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

What you basically keep saying is that there should be no expectation form Hamas as they are a terrorist organization.

That's giving Hamas a free pass.

 

Not all terrorist organizations do what Hamas did.

There is no overwhelming public rejection of Hamas over among Palestinians over these actions. The same in many Arab and Muslim countries. Or in the protest 'supporting' the Palestinians in Gaza.

 

The same can be said on your body of posting - you either treat it as some given, something that should be accommodated. You keep making the claim that there's no difference between Hamas and the IDF. Neither view is acceptable, both are in essence an apology for Hamas.

 

By now, I'm not overly impressed by you going on about 'credibility'.

There of course should be expectations on Hamas to fight their foes within the approved legal framework and to respect the inalienable human rights of all people.

There shouldn't be any expectation that they will do so.

Look at the atrocities they committed.

Only a fool would expect such people to comport themselves in anyway at all that is morally and ethically acceptable.

Terrorists commit acts of terror.

Hamas's barbaric deeds will be surpassed in time.

Human depravity, it seems, is bottomless.

Palestinians are victims of Hamas as much as Israeli's are.

What do you think would happen to a Palestinian publicly criticising Hamas?

If Hamas were so beloved by the majority of Gazans, Netanyahu would not have needed to prop them up.

When it comes to atrocities, there is a point, where the acts are so vile, that the only difference is scale.

To me, the only difference between the evil of Hamas's attack and the Holocaust is scale.

Ditto the IDF murder of thousands of civilians.

You may want to believe that bombing is a more humane method of murder, it is not.

The extremists on both sides are revelling in the current death and destruction.

It is going to take the good people on both sides to unite to defeat those responsible for all of the depravity occurring.

The odds of that happening are basically zero.

12 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Not much of a crowd....

Despicable nonetheless, wouldn't you agree?

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, this is a time for war .

The terrorists need to be killed and the rest of their group needs to face the consequences for their actions 

   The people who committed atrocities on October 7 th need to be held accountable for their actions 

It is not a war, it is an exercise in expelling and permanently removing the population of Gaza.

Israel's actions have united the Sunni and the Shia.

Turks, Persians and Arabs are uniting in a way they have never done before.

Israel is playing with fire on a scale that may result in a very real exestential crises for itself.

Israel may not survive this conflict.

If they continue down this path, the US may literally be helping a friend and ally commit suicide.

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

I do not.

You, on the other hand, seem to give them a free pass on every chance.

Explain that.

Explain how / why / when / where you believe I have given a free pass to Hamas?

Back up your statement with evidence.

This is my 559th post in this thread - find a single instance of me giving a free pass to Hamas.

Why be dishonest?

Aren't you better than that?

You clearly are a level or two above your emoji buddies here representing Israel's viewpoint.

Why stoop to their level?

You only debase your on credibility.

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

That it was 'someone else's land' is not agreed upon.

That's your position.

Again, what a sad, cultist, denial of reality.

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

As for denying this group or that group have a right for independence, state, sovereignty - why would Jews be excluded from such a right?

You have misunderstood a simple concept

(I would say deliberately misrepresented, but that would take a level of intelligence and I have not witnessed here yet).

Why do the Jews alone deserve to be given someone else's land to establish their own state?

Is there any other group that deserve likewise?

Can you name any?

Is there any other group where this has occurred - land appropriated and handed over?

I cannot think of a similar instance.

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Show me the cheering crowds of Israelis as dead Palestinians are paraded through the streets of Tel Aviv and I will begin to listen to you. 

How cute.

You think the two sides are different.

One side is civilised and the other full of savages.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The Palestinians leave their injured trapped for days in the rubble?

Why do you think that would be?

Can you answer that simple question with a modicum of maturity?

Why do you believe that victims of Israel bombing of residential areas are not freed from the rubble, for sometimes, up to several days?

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Are there not enough deaths to satisfy you yet? When will you join us in calling for Palestine to release the hostages and initiate a ceasefire? 

This must be about the eighth or ninth time you have asked the same questions.

Have we reached the limits of your intellect?

My answers have not changed.

There has been too many deaths of Israeli's and Palestinians.

It is a good thing that no Israeli's have been recorded as being killed since October 16th.

It would be a good thing if the Palestinian death toll also stopped increasing.

Again, I will clearly state that Hamas should release all hostages immediately.

Again I will clearly state that Hamas should unilaterally initiate a ceasefire and commence negotiations for peace.

Can you clearly state that Israel should immediately and unilaterally implement a ceasefire and commence negotiations for peace?

Every time you inanely ask the same answered questions from here on in I will be replying only with the above question as I am absolutely certain that you will not now or ever respond to it.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

When you say 'land theft' (from whom?) and reference post 1945, you're essentially objecting to Israel's very existence.

So basically, adopting Hamas position.

 

Hamas is not interested in compromise. You're into the 'river-to-the-sea' territory now.

 

 

From whom did Israel steal the land?

What a terribly sad question to be asked by one, who I presume, believes themselves to be at least reasonably well educated.

I am objecting to the reasons given for creating Israel.

Israel's sole right to continue existing is that it exists.

Much like abortions, at a certain point it becomes murder to kill the unborn child - Israel has passed that point and so has a right to exist.

Hamas is not interested in compromise just as many Zionists are not interested in compromise.

Should both sides accept being held hostage by their own extremist minorities?

River to the sea and sea to the river, again, should both sides accept being held hostage by their own extremist minorities?

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

You are many things, the arbiter of other posters' humanity ain't one of them.

As for 'cult' and the rest of your wild accusations, take a long look at the mirror.

The current war is not about land, unless you refer to Hamas's attempt to seize Israeli towns, settlements and so on.

Israel has little interest in ruling the Gaza Strip.

 

As for who thinks the deaths of so many innocents a price worth paying:

 

Mashaal: Hamas ‘well aware of consequences’ of attack, liberation demands ‘sacrifices’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mashaal-hamas-well-aware-of-consequences-of-attack-liberation-demands-sacrifices/ar-AA1izHNf

You take your moral cues from leaders of terrorist organisations?

Charming.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Are you serious? People can have any number of reasons having that (or whatever number) in their profile names.

You'll find Israelis on social media with the same.

 

 

Claimed to have met Arafat, so unless he was 16 at the time, unlikely. Also implied extensive US government experience, doubt he's 37.

 

More importantly @Walker88 is not the topic.

Could be the birth year of their child, the year they graduated or first got laid, the point is it to label someone as an antisemite because of two digits in a username is ridiculous.

But that is the level that you guys operate at isn't it.

Someone prefers chocolate ice cream over vanilla = antisemite

Someone ties their left shoelace before their right one = antisemite

Someone once enjoyed a pilsner = antisemite

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

You could not be more wrong.

 

The root cause is deep and vile hatred. Hatred of Jews who dare to form their country in the center of Muslim lands. The depraved attack and atrocities of October 7 were not a political act.  They were simple savagery.  If Hamas wanted to target the IDF, they could have easily done so. But instead, the cowards chose to rape and murder and desecrate civilians. 

 

I guess the Jews could all just leave, and go to another Jewish country...... oh wait. Nevermind. 

Is this a joke?

Your response to "the root cause of this conflict is about land" is to state that this "could not be more wrong" and then immediately follow up with the hatred of Jews arises from......

Jews who dare to form their country in the centre of Muslim lands.

Yep, not about land at all.

BTW - What on earth makes anyone think that Jews deserve a Jewish country? Can you name any other landless group in the world that deserves someone else's land to be illegally appropriated and handed over to them?

25 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Going by your posts......should we be worried, then?

Which posts, the ones where I've repeatedly stated I am an atheist?

2 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

There is a place for religion in the world... the problem lies with the religion that vilifies other people while they themselves are the villains... I stand by my post

Religion summed up:

If they can make you believe absurdities, they can make you commit atrocities.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

    Having read the posts, Morch actually opposes people over using the "Anti sematic" accusation and he sides with you that the accusation shouldn't be used in the wrong place . 

   Morch is on your side in that disagreement , he agrees with you on that point and thus you are wrong in your post above

Again, you have failed to separate the general from the particular.

There are a damn site more posts by your mate hurling baseless claims of antisemitism than there is of them calling out such nonsense.

8 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Your grasp of what was actually claimed, and knowledge of what was actually shown seems lacking.

You're welcome to go back up topic and educate yourself.

 

Twist it as much as you like, the  poster responded to is constantly going on about babies in reference to one side.

Much less so for babies of the other.

 

There are no 'independent agencies' that can verify death tolls at this stage.

You're making things up, or misunderstand how this works.

It is beyond ridiculous that you guys constantly act is if all has been explained, answered and resolved "back up topic".

You post nonsense, misrepresent others and avoid like the plague every fact that does not align with your views.

You've answered nothing here and provided zero value, in fact, you've done little more than labelled everyone antisemites and awarded each other meaningless emojis for doing so.

The solution to Goldbach's conjecture..., "go back up topic and educate yourself'.

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18 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Pot, kettle, black. 🤔

Yes Bob, it is hard not to sink to the level of those surrounding oneself.

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The deaths of the Palestinians was to rescue the hostages, to save the lives of the hostages , not just Jewish hostages, but numerous other people as well .

   Once again you are twisting the reality around by saying this is all about land , the reason for the retaliation is to free the hostages and to bring war criminals and terrorist to justice

The root cause is land.

No land theft = no hostages = no dead babies on either side.

There would not be millions of Jews / Israeli's in the Middle East if not for the bungled land theft post WW2.

Israel has no legitimate claim to the land other than its current existence.

This will not end until the Palestinians have what the Israeli's want for themselves - a homeland.

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

 You are what you are, thats the substance. I dont really argue with your lot, other than to out them.

No WMD’s then, just antisemites.

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4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Notice the combination of anti Semitism and anti americanism.

C’mon, you really think America obeys international law?

Where dem WMD’s at?

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3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

88 in the user name too. Outed.

10 to 1 that is simply their birth year.

Your eagerness to label people without sufficient evidence has debased all value of the slurs you are hurling about.

I guess now you’ll have to try debating using facts and intellect instead. I already know how you’ll fare.

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Is it possible to name members posting videos unattributed?

Is it possible to name members who are constantly prattling on as if they were a high school hall monitor ratting on fellow students to get a pat on the head from authorities?

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Responsibility lies with Hamas 

If you truly believe that, then you have lost all humanity. You are in a cult. Anyone who thinks the deaths of so many innocents is a price worth paying for some land…, we’ll - it says all that needs to be said about such people.

The casual dismissal of such a large scale human tragedy is Hamas level barbarism.

47 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Start a war, then whine about your opponents actions after you lose. But, but, but, but, what about this, what about that, you did it too,we were provoked, sob sob sob.

 

My position as an American is easy and based on law and morals. Utilize or threaten deady force and I am entitled to use such force as I reasonably deem necessary to end the threat or actions. If you chose to involve innocents, like hiding behind them and they are accidently killed or injured, its your fault, not mine.

 

Hamas started shooting, now they will pay the price. Easy solution to the unavoidable civilian casualties that Hamas apparently doesnt care about (even though their neo nazi and anti semitic allies harp on those) is unconditional surrender.

 

 

American…, law…, morals.

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Even in a thread with so much nonsense, this takes the cake.

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7 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Your simplistic grasp of Zionism is cute.

Elaborate.