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DM07, on 29 Dec 2014 - 04:45, said:

DennisF, on 28 Dec 2014 - 13:55, said:

boomerangutang, on 28 Dec 2014 - 13:45, said:

at the get-together. . . .

If there's a guitar in the room, I could play some renditions of....

'Only You' (Platters)

'Under My Thumb' (R.Stones)

'I'm an Apeman' (Kinks)

'Teenage Wasteland' (Who)

'Midnight Rambler' (Stones)

'I'll Be Watching You' (Police)

. . . . . sing-alongs, ok.

Since I put the angle grinder through my left hand a couple of years ago you may well be short a Bass player.

Anything Rod Stewart sang I could play, plus meatloaf and many 80's bands...

Could even do Smokie!!!!

If ANY of that happened, I would have a bloody guitar in my hands by the end of the evening!

Dislike! LOL. Nevermind Midnight Rambler, I think we could add Sympathy for the Devil, Streetfighting Man and Gimme Shelter by the Stones to Boomeragutang's list .

This is a thread about the horific murder of two young people and their families' reactions.

How come we have got into parties and the music to be played.

The uncivil insults throughout are bad enough, but this is sick.

JOC - no need to feel sorry for parents who claim they are satisfied with the police work performed during the investigation just for the sake of getting closure, ridden out on the back of innocent patsies. Ever since reading that statement I have no respect and no sympathy for them anymore, sorry!

Here a brief list of what their parents are satisfied with:

1) RTP allowing bystanders and prime suspects to trample about and invade the crime scene.

2) RTP completely ignoring tell-tale findings such as:

a) Shallow stab wounds at David's head and shoulder (concentrating on right hand side, implicating a left handed attacker of similar height)

b ) Bone fragment, tooth fragment, brain matter and blood splatter in a circular pattern on the rocks behind Hannah, implicating an execution style, close range gun shot to the forehead while she was seated, to later be covered up by smashing her head with the garden hoe.

c) No DNA samples taken from under Hannah's fingernails (correct me if I am wrong)

d) Blood on Sean's guitar and stab wounds on his arms similar to David's.

e) Mafia head's son (prime suspect) disappearing for over a week (allowing him ample time to let Hannah's scratch marks on torso and arms heal).

3) The RTP letting key witnesses and/or accessories to murder such as Sean McAnna and Christopher Alanvare walk.

4) The RTP letting gangsters threatening key witness and/or accessory to murder Sean McAnna walk.

5) The RTP stating that none of the Burma DNA samples taken during the first days were a match, but later announcing that two of the DNA negative tested Burmese are the culprits.

6) The RTP, together with a racist pancake vendor, torturing the Burmese suspects into confession.

7) The RTP puppeteering the patsies around the murder scene while hundreds of witnesses could see that they were completely clueless about location of victims, which direction from they themselves were supposed to have attacked the victims, etc.

8) The RTP ignoring witness statements that mafia bosse's son along with AC bar owner followed the victims after a brawl over one of them fondling and/or pestering Hannah.

9) The RTP announcing that David and Hannah were killed with the hoe despite the fact that the hoe carried only Hannah's DNA.

10) The RTP denying british investigators access to all of their findings.

11) ...and the countless additional <deleted!> during the investigation...

If I would be a parent involved, I would scream in agony and rip that cesspit of an island apart with my bare hands!

You have no idea what the parents were briefed with, so right of the bat you start by making things up and vilifying the victim's families based on your own fantasies.

"1) RTP allowing bystanders and prime suspects to trample about and invade the crime scene."

They didn't properly secure the crime scene, wow, maybe you are not just talking nonsense...

"2) RTP completely ignoring tell-tale findings such as:

a) Shallow stab wounds at David's head and shoulder (concentrating on right hand side, implicating a left handed attacker of similar height)

b ) Bone fragment, tooth fragment, brain matter and blood splatter in a circular pattern on the rocks behind Hannah, implicating an execution style, close range gun shot to the forehead while she was seated, to later be covered up by smashing her head with the garden hoe.

c) No DNA samples taken from under Hannah's fingernails (correct me if I am wrong)

d) Blood on Sean's guitar and stab wounds on his arms similar to David's.

e) Mafia head's son (prime suspect) disappearing for over a week (allowing him ample time to let Hannah's scratch marks on torso and arms heal)."

Oops, I spoke to soon, you are talking nonsense.

a) Do you have any forensic pathology credentials to support your speculation based on pictures you saw on Internet? Who are you to make judgements on the nature of the wounds and how were they inflicted?

Gunshot... really. Because of splatter pattern... you have no idea what you are talking about. Evidence for this nonsense besides your uneducated guesses?

c) You don't know, don't bank on it, arguments from ignorance are worthless.

d) Again the armchair forensic pathologist determining nature of wounds based on some photo you saw...

e) What mafia? You just make a claim and ran with it, plus complete speculation over injuries in his body. The less said about ignoring that the man in question has been proven not to had been on the island the better, yes?

"3) The RTP letting key witnesses and/or accessories to murder such as Sean McAnna and Christopher Alanvare walk."

After interrogating them and collecting samples, you'd like to keep them locked up for the duration of the trial to satisfy your self righteous outrage?

"4) The RTP letting gangsters threatening key witness and/or accessory to murder Sean McAnna walk."

The police also interrogated and collected samples from those "gansters"

"6) The RTP, together with a racist pancake vendor, torturing the Burmese suspects into confession."

They were not tortured into a confession, they claimed they were threatened with torture.

"7) The RTP puppeteering the patsies around the murder scene while hundreds of witnesses could see that they were completely clueless about location of victims, which direction from they themselves were supposed to have attacked the victims, etc."

Puppeteering the patsies... of course, first make up a premise then derive conclusions from it, no wonder your conclusions agree with your preconceptions.

"8) The RTP ignoring witness statements that mafia bosse's son along with AC bar owner followed the victims after a brawl over one of them fondling and/or pestering Hannah."

What witnesses and how do you know they ignored them? You are just repeating rumors.

"9) The RTP announcing that David and Hannah were killed with the hoe despite the fact that the hoe carried only Hannah's DNA."

In their confession the Burmese men claimed they used a bottle to hit Miller, you are cherry-picking (mis)information that suits you.

"10) The RTP denying british investigators access to all of their findings."

No, they didn't deny access to all their findings, they gave them information when they came to observe the work done by the RTP, you don't know the extent and or relevance of the information they received, again, argument from ignorance.

11) ...and the countless additional <deleted!> during the investigation...

Oh well, case closed then.

Bugger off and let us do our stuff for the kids..........OK........You make me sick..........

Oh that's great. When you have run out of logic to support a argument resort to obcenities and abuse. Now we know who is right.

@ aimbc

Here is a short section from the coroners advice handbook.

Inquests are almost always held in open court, where the public can attend.

Journalists may also attend and report what has taken place.

The coroners office will not release any information to the media which has not

already been made public through an inquest, unless the next of kin gives his

or her consent.

This means that any member of the public can go to the inquest.

Im pretty sure there are members on here who may attend.

Oh thank you. very informative.

I believe it is usual for inquests to be adjourned sine die where there are pending criminal proceedings. I presume that will happen in this case.

Thanks everybody. Shuttle looks good; think I will give the heli a miss.

I will be visiting Phuket soon for the first time in many years. Things change.

I would appreciate advice on the best way for 6 people (including a couple not so young) and luggage to get from the airport to Patong.

Thanks in advance.

even the CCTV footage from the crime night, which shows Nomsod.

That is your opinion and your opinion, as much as it may hurt your ego, is not a fact or evidence of anything.

It's also the opinion of hundreds of thousands of others who have compared the video footage with photos of Nomsod. And it could be used as evidence against him - even though that would anger the gang of 4, and Thai officials. But rest easy, dude. Even if the B2 are acquitted, none of the Headman's people will be indicted. They're already clear, and will remain so. That's ensured by the Headman and his friends in high places.

"It's also the opinion of hundreds of thousands of others"

When you make up things like that, do you honestly think you sound convincing?

Not made up.....completely factual. You choose to lie and cheat like your Thai Police and criminal friends, then fine. We see you!

Could you please state the source of your statistic that hundreds of thousands of people have a particular opinion.

I am not asking about what is on the CCTV footage, the number of views of the CCTV footage or even who is or is not guilty of this horrible crime. I would just like to test the credibility of your claim as to numbers with a particular opinion and with it your own credibility.

Cgt is not assessable for long term non residents.

My understanding is that this will change on 1st April 2015. If you have any information to the contrary I, and I suspect many others, would love to hear it.

Pattaya is fine, the police here seem to know which side of the bread is buttered....

Yeh. Both sides.

HSBC's instructions do not sound strange. You should consider standard trade practice of asking the sender to convert funds into either USD or EUR (or even GBP) before posting funds. Alternatively if you want to keep to the current arrangement of this particular client posting funds in presumably a Scandanavian currency then try to set up a default conversion for this specific client. Easiest to do so by visiting any HSBC branch in HK. You could do this at HK airport. Terminal 1 for Premier, Terminal 2 for the rest.

Thanks for your reply. If I call customer service, would they be able to setup a default conversion, or would I have to visit a branch?

I looked at your message again. If it is the case that what we have here is a HK company transmitting funds to an HSBC business account opened by you in Thailand what is stopping you visiting the HSBC branch in Bangkok to sort out the problem?

HSBC do not have a BKK branch anymore.

It would be trite to say that the Royal Thai Police made a pig’s ear of this case from a PR point of view. They said far too much (which seems to be the norm in Thailand). This was especially so in the early stages of the investigation when so much was unclear. Even later on they should not have been talking about confessions or DNA matches. These are matters for the court.

Add to this a local press, many of whom seem to have a motto “don’t let the facts spoil a good story”. Media can publish what it likes with no accountability. Yes, the public has a right to know, but this right should be satisfied at the trial not in the immediate aftermath of what was a very confused situation.

However, none of this means that the two Burmese are guilty, innocent or guilty with massaged facts to ensure conviction. I simply do not know; nor does any other poster in this thread. In a trial by ThaiVisa the jury does not have enough facts.

The fact that the Thai police allowed the British police to come over speaks volumes, as does the report that the Brits seem to have given to the victims’ families. Of course I do not know the caliber of the officers who came over. Certainly they will not be infallible, but equally certainly they will not be naive fools. They would have got at least a wiff of a frame and the risk of this would be too much for the Thai Police if they had a great deal to hide.

In the end it will be for the court to decide and speculation is not helpful. Indeed in some countries this would be a contempt of court.

I must confess that I do not know a great deal about ED Visas. I might be wrong, but it seems to me from following this thread that at some time the OP must have produced a letter to immigration saying he attended classes. This document was false and prepared and produced with intent to deceive immigration that OP coplied with requirements. I sincerely hope the school loses its licence and/or the individual who signed the document is prosecuted.

The schools bear a big part of the responsibilty. If you look at many (not all) adverts the emphasis is getting a visa not learning Thai.

I feel sorry for those who get a visa and genuinely want to learn Thai. I feel sorry for those who do not particularly want to learn Thai, but go to classes to comply with visa requirements. In the end these people will suffer because of people like the OP for whom I have no sympathy.

If after 8 years in Thailand he spoke Thai well enough that hed did not need lessons then he did not need an ED Visa. End of.

I would only add that I, like a number other posters, feel there is more to this story. Was he flagged on the Immigration computer for some reason?

There is no law requiring you to fly back to your country - so at least you can contest that part, but you have to be adamant about talking to the supervisor. As in your case there is no extradition happening - just a refusal to enter the country. Don't be rude or condescending with the officials, just state that there indeed are laws that do not require you to travel to the country.

Perhaps, but no airline is going to fly someone who has he risk of being turned around and the airline is liable for flying home. As such, it sounds like the EU or bust, unless the OP gets lucky.

That is just it. Immigration know that no airline will sell him a ticket. Depending on his status in Hong Kong that might have been an alternative and perhaps Immigration should have allowed him to try and get a ticket there.

At the end of the day OP brought this on himself by abusing his visa (not going to classes). A lesson for others to learn. The sad thing is that abuses like this will result in genuine students getting a hard time if they are slow learners. Who knows, too much abise like this might result in ED visas being scrapped altogether.

I recently got a 30 day extension on my visa exemption stamp at Jomtien for 1900 baht.

Was in and out of there in less than 45 minutes.

A friend had the same experience yesterday except he was in and out in 30 minutes. I don't understand why some people have problems and others don't.

Reading a post in another thread gave me cause to think. How many new cars available in Thailand have genuine leather seats?

Many advertize leather seats, but when you look closer they are not. For example Mercedes offer "artico leather". In fact this is man made or vinyl.

Just a thought. Does anyone have any actual knowledge?

And one more thing, I've ended up with a 6-year licence as the expiry date is on my birthday 2020. I believe this might be because my old licence had already expired when I renewed it (10 days). A bonus!

A small point, but what happens if you let your licence expire to get the extra year and are stopped by police on your way to the Land Transport Office?

If you were in Pattaya no problem. I did one recently, 45 days. No help to you, but others may benefit from the info.

They didn't want to see a ticket, in fact they detached the copy I submitted without looking at it. The did not say a word or ask any questions relating to the early renewal.

Just a thought. Was September written in letters or 11/9/2014? An American would write that as 9/11/2014. If fgures were used and depending where you are in the world this could mean 9th November.

The dates still do not gell, but a use by date in November would make more sense.

Will there be a Scottish embassy in Bangkok?

After posting I noticed that the form said you must apply in person. So I went myself.

I did enquire about this issue and was told that if you send someone to do it on your behalf you have to pay an extra 300 baht. I did not ask if you would get an official receipt for the 300 baht.

When applying for a re-entry permit at Pattaya Immigration is it necessary to go in person or can a friend who is going anyway do it for me?

Thanks.

whats the big deal about the buildings on the beach, are people really wanting to go sunbathing there or what? sure they should have a council organized sewage system instead of straight into the sea but walking street will lose a lot of business if one side of it disappears

You might have a point. If they cleared the illegal buildings over the beach there would be more room for umbrellas and jet ski scams.

How can military or anyone else expect Pattaya City to undertake a long over due clean-up of Pattaya Beach when they are too busy holding press conferences on Waterfront. This is a building which the Mayor admits has all the necessary permits, does not contravene height restrictions and the developer has been open and transparent. Construction has been suspended.

Where is the press conference and blaze of publicity on the big Pattaya clean-up, don't talk about action. Jetski scams, over supply of beaach umbrella ( a real eyesore not to mention the scams they use), rats on the promenade, street prostitution (I have nothing against prostitution, but not in your face on the streets). Then there is Walking Street. Maybe the structures on the sea side are legal; maybe not, but for sure the extentions onto the beach are not. Have they been forced to suspend operation?

Is the fuss over Waterfront designed to divert attention from other problems which City Hall cannot or will not deal with? Don't expect action any time soon.

Are you certain of your assertions?

The law is clear on the maximum size of the footprint of buildings withing the construction control zone - 75% must be open and uncovered. Since this a 2 rai (3,200 SqM) plot, the maximum footprint should be 800 square meters. I don't have access to the architectural documents, but it certainly looks like more than that from the photos I have seen.

They may well have permits, but if those permits were issued in error, then the developers may well be in trouble given the enforcement vigor that the military government has brought to the table.

I was referring to what the Mayor said. If he was wrong then City and Provincial governments have a lot to answer for, not to mention pay for.

This thread is not about Waterfront. Mainly I was referring to double standards in enforcement by using the Waterfront example.

Pattaya will have to follow the same path as Phuket. If not there will be many people questioning why Phuket and not Pattaya. I would guess we will see some real action in the very near future.

You might be right. I meant no action by City Hall. At least the Mayor can say he is cleaning up Pattaya - look at Waterfront.

How can military or anyone else expect Pattaya City to undertake a long over due clean-up of Pattaya Beach when they are too busy holding press conferences on Waterfront. This is a building which the Mayor admits has all the necessary permits, does not contravene height restrictions and the developer has been open and transparent. Construction has been suspended.

Where is the press conference and blaze of publicity on the big Pattaya clean-up, don't talk about action. Jetski scams, over supply of beaach umbrella ( a real eyesore not to mention the scams they use), rats on the promenade, street prostitution (I have nothing against prostitution, but not in your face on the streets). Then there is Walking Street. Maybe the structures on the sea side are legal; maybe not, but for sure the extentions onto the beach are not. Have they been forced to suspend operation?

Is the fuss over Waterfront designed to divert attention from other problems which City Hall cannot or will not deal with? Don't expect action any time soon.

It's good news day. Have a safe journey.