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Hooray, somebody wants to debate, even if its a Azov Brigade fan who peppers his analysis with his cute widdle flames. So here we go! Now in reference to the website you found. Its not a website, its a research commentary. It reveals a complex history, no different to the complex history of all of Europe. You might as well say Germany isn't a real country, nor is Italy, Denmark, Norway and indeed Eire. That says nothing and only serves to deflect from the issue, which is Ukraine. Their historical circumstances led to the creation and maintenance of a nation, viz: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. Ukraines did not. A distinct Ukrainian language emerged in the 14th Centry, 300 years before your country even existed. Now ladies and gentlemen, check out that smarmy comment? Tell us what the meaning of "300 years before your country existed" is in the context of this discussion? Tossing in your typical flames? Now as to the language, it is just a derivation of Old East Slavonic. It is not unique, nor does the fact that a dialect of a language exists lead to the conclusion that the people who speak that dialect are a "nation" The Ukrainians then were the Cossack Slavs, who wanted rid of their Polish--Lithunanian masters. Cossack Slavs? You mean the ones who intermarried with Crimean Tatars, Jews, Scottsman, Poles, renegade Russians and other "free men". Tell us how historically the Cossacks are part of a Ukrainian nation? They were either subject to the Russians, or the Poles Furthermore, which Cossacks are you referring to? Zaporozhian? Ussuri? who wanted rid of their Polish--Lithunanian masters. While they felt closer to the Muscovites, they wanted to become independant, and were nearly put on a pathway to becoming a western-leaning state with the failed Treaty of Hadiach. Failed treaties are no treaties. Keep in mind that the Cossacks, who were not at the time ethnic Ukrainians in full or used "Ukrainian" as their primary language were seeking to preserve their own interests against the Poles. By the way, how do you know what "they wanted"? Wikpedia? Just as an aside I bet you think Khmelnytsky is a "Ukrainian hero" dont you. Tell us all about him then. The Poles ceded the territory to the Tsars, and then started a Cossack insurgency against Moscow, which culminated in the Russians utterly destroying Zaporizhian Sich 100 years later (the semi-autonomous Cossack state), thus snuffing out Ukrainian yearning for independance. Wow. Ukrainian yearning for independence? Tell us where you made that up from? There was no Ukrainian nation to yearn for anyhting. Im not going to get into your Cromwell silliness. All the Irish references lead me to conclude that you are carrying a bit or a hardone for the Brits. Its amazing how all you English fight among each other. Nice try though, which is more than can be said for most of your ilk.

Nope.

Ya notice how they change the subject?

Since you pretend to analyze what I think, all I can say is you are wrong.

You didnt read it either. So I have done better than you.

Sorry bro I'm not going to play your Jew hating game, go get your buddies to hate Israel in some other topic

Translation: I didn't read the article

Start your own topic, don't gaslight mine.

Please set forth what fake news I have spread

Translation: I can't argue with your facts so I just flame with the same childish talking point the spittlespewers have been screeching for ages

Translation: I can't argue the facts so I just flame

The Peoples Commissar of the Socialist Cheka was Feliks Dzerzinski

Well if I'm reincarnated, then I surely know more of the history of the area and times than you.

What about non kosher Jews.? Thanks in advance for outing.

All of those countries were "conquered" countries. Ukraine never existed, except as a linguistic variation.

It was called the Kievan Rus. Was that the Ukraine?

Who is not educated? Would you not agree with the premise that there never was a Ukraine until Bolshevik time?

Blind devotion is a REQUIREMENT for Socialism, from the worship of the Lenin mummy to the code words and numbers paying homage to Adolf Hitler.

Thats coming soon. Have you guys noticed the lack of a certain word on most of those maps? Ukraine? Huh.

Proud to be an American, having a great happy life how about you? Want to debate me on a subject instead of just hurling your childish invective? Or are you a Socialist worshipping spittlefrother too?

If you are going to take or oppose that position, you need to have some knowledge of the area and its history. Here you go, learn something, the maps are excellent https://unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com/p/the-ghost-of-polands-past

Add your cult, Socialism

Collapse? Its a laughingstock. Socialism being flushed down the toilet of history as folks point and giggle. The new response to the things they did and do: "You cant make this up". Then hysterical laughter.

That number is terrible. Should be 100,000 and climbing until my fellow American is released.

Funded by USAID no doubt. I saw the news about that its in my list to read.