Jeff the Chef

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Fine, as I said, I know where I stand, we will have to wait and see, both sides have a choice, go hard-line or make peace, up to them.

Brian, you are entitled to your opinion, conclude what you will, I know where I stand, willing to let the powers that be, make those assessments.

Whether the figures are fake, not counting the Hamas dead is irrelevant, the propaganda you are trying to make out of figures I think will never be more than a guestimate, will the truth ever be known? I knew the "Red flag to a bull comment" on genocide would set you off, but can you not see it is not up to you, me, or anyone else on AN to determine that, leave it to the powers that be. I still stand by what I said: The fact of the matter is there is now some opposition in Gaza to Hamas, the World can see that, now if Israel now go back to full on military action as they were doing prior to the last peace deal it doesn't look good, 50,000 dead and counting, still leaves over 2 million left, what is to happen with them? This is an opportunity for Israel to help the willing Palestinians that may or may not have seen the light, as I've said all through this thread, huge compromises will have to be made by both sides. And now another thread:

Hamas as you say have no intentions of giving up, hostages or their mission to annihilate Israel, but what of the upwards of 2 million Palestinians left? However many of the 50,000 dead so far are Hamas I don't care, they are dead, you can double that figure and however many you want to class as Hamas fighters they are still dead. Will it ever be known what the full casualty numbers will be, the point of all this is to at least try to stop the carnage. Both sides have an opportunity if either of them want to make the move, Palestinians can give up Hamas with all their weapons/infrastructure, and help the Israeli's with returning all Hostage's and The Israeli's need to help the Palestinians that want to do this, the priority must be Hamas and Hostages out.

Educator

In previous posts with you earlier in this topic, I said: Maybe I've mellowed in my old age, I just think if ever there was a time to end this ceaseless slaughter maybe this it. This article at least shows there is some resistance to Hamas and that needs to be nurtured, get rid of Hamas, get the hostages back and open the possibility of a peaceful co-existence, It will take major compromises from both sides. I know, but where there's a will there's away. Your reply: Ok for someone who was a full on Hamas supporter to someone who has now realized just how Hamas manipulated this to cause the slaughter then I will take you at your word that you've changed. I agree, unless the hostages are released and Hamas are disappeared as a force then nothing will happen. I've said all through this current topic that both sides will have to make major compromises to bring this to a peaceful end, I agree with you Hamas must not exist, and the hostages must be freed,, I also said the whole place needs to be weapons free with complete openness to all tunnels, terrorist infostructure, so the whole World can see, Joint Arab/Israeli policing, and a complete change of attitude from both sides, whether that's possible after the recent history of this conflict remains to be seen. My last comment: Not wanting to wave a red flag at a bull, but the question of War Crimes and Genocide will be more justifiable if this carries on much longer, especially after these latest days of protests from within Gaza. The fact of the matter is there is now some opposition in Gaza to Hamas, the World can see that, now if Israel now go back to full on military action as they were doing prior to the last peace deal it doesn't look good, 50,000 dead and counting, still leaves over 2 million left, what is to happen with them? This is an opportunity for Israel to help the willing Palestinians that may or may not have seen the light, as I've said all through this thread, huge compromises will have to be made by both sides.

Sunday

Carvings

There are still over 2 million people in Gaza, without any serious dialogue nobody will ever know if there has been a sea change in there view of Israel. After 18 years of Hamas rule by the gun and intimidation, could it be the silent majority have finally woken up to the fact that recognising Israel is the only way to stop the slaughter and occupation. From the OP the people want change and if there is a glimmer of hope it must be treated as such by all parties concerned. Yes, I understand that Hamas has to be driven out of Gaza and the hostages returned, but at what cost to the population in-situ, and the moral compass of Israel? Not wanting to wave a red flag at a bull, but the question of War Crimes and Genocide will be more justifiable if this carries on much longer, especially after these latest days of protests from within Gaza.

Cricket

Your view is the same as the hardliners in Israel, there needs to be some sensible dialogue with this faction of Palestinians if there is any chance that they have at last, after all these years of occupation and conflict perhaps seen the light and are ready to change, hopefully in favour of a sustainable peace deal and recognition of Israel's right to exist.

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Condolences to all Family and friends. RIP to Joseph Itai Rinomhota. Madam's family are into Muay Thai bigtime, nephew is local Poo Yai Baan, trainer, and promotor, loads of near relatives and friends are ex-fighters, some were good in their day, it is a big family tradition. I willingly sponsor some local fighters, and regularly attend fights within 100kms. As the only "Falange" in the village that participates in all the local customs, including encouraging the local Muay Thai boxers I feel I'm well respected and always invited to Family occasions and ceremonies at our 2 local temples. Before the regular Thai knockers start, this costs me nothing extra than if I was a local, Madam and family wouldn't allow it, I get more yak-yak off her because I voluntarily help lost causes.

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